General Skating Chat

[airi]

Well we knew about this proposition for a long time, it was widely discussed, I don't understand why anyone is surprised 

And it's not bad itself imo in theory, in practice we know that it will change nothing, if anything favouring those who already are favored.

[lajoitko]

Wasn´t there earlier this year an interview with Laternik where he said that they don´t expect the proposition to pass but want to use it as an opener to wider discussion or something like that? Or did I dream about it?

[sweetwater]

I'm afraid this information is old. The tweet is based on an article issued by sputnik JP in February. It says, "国際スケート連盟（ISU）は、フィギュアスケートのシングルとペアのルール変更を検討しており、6月にタイで開催されるISUの会議で変更案を提出する。ロシアのスポーツ専門サイトsport.ruが報じた。(According to Russian sports news site sport.ru, ISU is considering rule changes for Singles and Pairs. They are going to submit the proposal at the ISU conference which will be held in Thailand in June)" but the ISU congress, which was going to be held on June 8-12 in Phuket, Thailand, has been postponed until 2021. (Source) They may discuss this rule change next year if the situation allows, but I am afraid they will have many other things to discuss to sustain this sport under the new conditions created by COVID-19.

[Paskud]

14 minutes ago, sweetwater said:

I'm afraid this information is old. The tweet is based on an article issued by sputnik JP in February. It says, "国際スケート連盟（ISU）は、フィギュアスケートのシングルとペアのルール変更を検討しており、6月にタイで開催されるISUの会議で変更案を提出する。ロシアのスポーツ専門サイトsport.ruが報じた。(According to Russian sports news site sport.ru, ISU is considering rule changes for Singles and Pairs. They are going to submit the proposal at the ISU conference which will be held in Thailand in June)" but the ISU congress, which was going to be held on June 8-12 in Phuket, Thailand, has been postponed until 2021. (Source) They may discuss this rule change next year if the situation allows, but I am afraid they will have many other things to discuss to sustain this sport under the new conditions created by COVID-19.

1. Of course they not learned onlive voting and video conferences. 😅

2. When I will learn to check sources?

[surimi]

53 minutes ago, airi said:

Well we knew about this proposition for a long time, it was widely discussed, I don't understand why anyone is surprised 

And it's not bad itself imo in theory, in practice we know that it will change nothing, if anything favouring those who already are favored.

 

Well for me this was the first time I heard about it. Not everyone follows skating closely or catches all news...

[yuzuangel]

Oh HELL no. TES is the only way skaters can determine their fate (even if only partially) or at the very least increase their scores. Lessen its value and skaters that are favored will just get politicked to 100 PCS  and never face a challenge ever again. 

 

At least it'll come into effect after Beijing when I probably won't be that invested in FS like, at all, but who knows, maybe Yuzu will still feel like not retiring then... 

 

[Paskud]

8 minutes ago, yuzuangel said:

Oh HELL no. TES is the only way skaters can determine their fate (even if only partially) or at the very least increase their scores. Lessen its value and skaters that are favored will just get politicked to 100 PCS  and never face a challenge ever again. 

 

At least it'll come into effect after Beijing when I probably won't be that invested in FS like, at all, but who knows, maybe Yuzu will still feel like not retiring then... 

 

Plush is his idol after all.😅

[WinForPooh]

Honestly we can all have opinions about the direction in which the sport evolves, we'll agree or disagree. We can debate whether they're good changes or bad changes.

 

But the problem I have with all the changes ISU make is that they claim to be addressing one thing - BV of quads being too much of a determining factor in who podiums - and then come up with "solutions" that explicitly feed a much bigger problem - how much fed influence, incompetence and corruption from judges and other non-performance-related factors determine who podiums at competitions.

 

I mean look at the things they have and have not done so far:

1. Cut BV of quads
2. Cut repetition of quads
3. Increase judges' discretion to determine the value of quads different skaters do, with no accountability
4. Pretend that an entirely new jump that completely ignores the mechanics of the Lz, that is now being called and scored highly as a 4Lz, does not exist
5. Make no effort to use technology to determine amount of pre-rotation in jumps

 

How can we look at that little list and not see the truth - that what they want to do is shift IJS and CoP closer to the 6.0 system where judges' discretion (and therefore federation policy, since judges are chosen by and answerable to their federations) decided everything?

 

And this is not even going into how TES increase, in practice, automatically means PCS increase with the right backing, and that baseline PCS for skaters do not reduce until they want to push them to retire.

 

[Paskud]

My biggest problem with rules changes aren't the changes, but the way ISU talks about them and tries to justify. It always sounds like a slap in face of everything that Yuzuru's skating stands for.

[Fay]

Sorry, guys, now that we’re done with watching the Open Ice show, I moved all the comments to this thread 

 

[Paskud]

wut?

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Of the proposals that are considered in the ISU - to combine the stages of the junior and adult Grand Prix. At first glance, this is a great idea , because it is always interesting for the juniors themselves to stand side by side with the best skaters in the world, and the timing of the adult Grand Prix series is very likely to be protected from the risks associated with a pandemic.

But if you look, organize such an alliance will be extremely difficult. There are three problems.

Firstly, the mismatch of the number of stages. Juniors have seven, adults have six. It is necessary either to change the selection system to the final, or to distribute the participants of the “extra” stage to other starts.

Secondly, the number of participants. Adults at the stages of the Grand Prix have 12 participants in each form, juniors may have more than 50.

Thirdly, different organizers of the stages of the junior and adult series. The former are held in places where figure skating is just beginning to develop (for example, in Uzbekistan and Slovenia). It is unlikely that countries will voluntarily decide to abandon their tournaments.

For these reasons, Gorshkov does not believe in such a scenario. “Yes, the junior stages of the Grand Prix begin earlier than everyone, so of course they are at risk,” he says. - Still, the adult stages will begin two months later, with them there are fewer problems. Let's see what the ISU will say, decisions on the stages of the Grand Prix should be taken together with the organizers of these stages.

Conducting them with adults is not so easy. This is a completely different format, even more difficult than the final. Be sure to need a second skating rink, because only on one will everyone not be able to train. It is also necessary to increase the number of competitive days; in two days there is also no way out. Therefore, I have no idea how to organize this. ”

Another option is to move the Junior Grand Prix a few weeks or even a month later. This scenario tends to be in the federations . The final is scheduled for mid-December, and before this time it is quite possible to fit all the tournaments.

Finally, the most radical option is the complete abolition of the Junior Grand Prix series. So far, this scenario is unlikely, but the ISU does not exclude it.

https://m.sport.business-gazeta.ru/article/254458/

[sallycinnamon]

New ISU communcation about 2020/21 season plans and the ISU Awards (yes...)

 

https://isu.org/inside-isu/isu-communications/communications/24310-2320-decisions-of-council-meeting-april-28-2020/file

 

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2. Planning Season 2020/21

 

The Council confirmed that the health and safety of the participants of international ice skating events remains the number one priority. Mindful of the concern for health and safety related to COVID-19 but also the need to give Skaters the best possible opportunities to compete internationally, the ISU will give its utmost support to ISU Members in order to stage all international competitions that can safely be held during the season 2020/21. 

 

The Council decided on the following time frame/deadline for cancellations

 

ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating events: Latest by June 15, 2020 for the first event (CAN August 26-29, 2020) which means latest 10 weeks before the event. This ten-week deadline will also apply for subsequent ISU Junior Grand Prix events.

 

ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events: Latest by August 1, 2020 for first event (Skate America, October 23-25, 2020) which means 12 weeks before the event. This twelve-week deadline will also apply for subsequent ISU Grand Prix events.

 

A Working Group has been created consisting of:

- Mr. Alexander Lakernik, ISU Vice President Figure Skating

- Mr. David Raith, Executive Director US Figure Skating acting as liaison to the six ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating ISU Members

- Mr. Wieland Lüders, ISU Figure Skating Event Coordinator

- Ms. Patricia Mayor, ISU Sport Manager Figure Skating

- Ms. Christine Cardis, ISU Anti-Doping Manager acting as liaison to the ISU Medical Commission.

 

The objective of the Working Group is to work out and monitor, in consultation with the concerned organizing ISU Members and the Athletes Commission, the following:

a. Safety/health protection measures to be implemented at all events;

b. Evaluate any cancellations which could become necessary due to the sanitary situation in the host city and around the World, travel/meeting restrictions, perceived threat/fear to travel and the necessary ice time for Skaters around the World to prepare for the event;

c. Evaluate postponements and/or replacements of cancelled events;

d. Evaluate and decide upon possibly holding certain events without spectators;

e. Evaluate solutions related to consequences of multiple cancellations of events of a series (ISU Junior Grand Prix, ISU (senior) Grand Prix, Challenger Series) and working out options/solutions in order to maintain and/or adapt the respective ranking and allow the holding of the final event;

f. Evaluate the financial consequences of cancellations, postponements and replacements and working out (creative) solutions in order to ensure that all events that can possibly be held are ensured of the necessary ISU support regardless on whether the ranking of the series can be maintained or not.

g. Submit proposals on the above issues to the ISU Council for a final ISU Council decision. 

 

3. ISU Skating Awards Season 2019/20

 

The ISU Skating Awards Figure Skating for the season 2019/20 were unfortunately cancelled alongside the 2020 ISU World Figure Skating Championships in Montreal. The Council therefore decided that instead, a digital/virtual Awards show will be held in order to honour the nominated Skaters and Award winners. Further details will be provided in due course. The Council furthermore agreed to pursue this initiative with a season 2020/21 edition. The Council will evaluate different options and will take a decision as soon as possible.

 

[yuzuangel]

Oh well, it's going digital! And then hopefully it dies!

[Paskud]

Can't wait to see how much online awards will flop.

[SitTwizzle]

22 minutes ago, sallycinnamon said:

New ISU communcation about 2020/21 season plans and the ISU Awards (yes...)

 

https://isu.org/inside-isu/isu-communications/communications/24310-2320-decisions-of-council-meeting-april-28-2020/file

 

 

It can be ad best a guideline, or even a mere wish.

If a trophy, due to be held after the deadline passed without cancellation, is nevertheless cancelled by a government for instance, what can ISU do?

I dare say it is possible to foresee some of the epidemic evolution for the next ten weeks, not political action.