Fay Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ok, they are fighting for the least likely combinations of coaches and students, right? Zhenya/Brian, Shoma/Eteri, Vincent/Hamada. Any other random combinations, folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sombreuil Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Chen will add a layer of difficulty to his university/sport/life balance by switching coach and training base to Lambiel in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukigirl Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sombreuil said: Chen will add a layer of difficulty to his university/sport/life balance by switching coach and training base to Lambiel in Europe. You know, I read this sentence with totally no context when scanning unread content and I never clicked on a thread that fast....🤦🏻♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katonice Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, SparkleSalad said: Mystery solved! I see.. Well that explains it somewhat. Still a bit strange that they would sponsor a foreign skater. I still have some whys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katt Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 So, 99% Vincent will be at japan open this year since Kinoshita is the main sponsor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sallycinnamon Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 9 hours ago, SparkleSalad said: Mystery solved! The decision that one of his coaches will be Hamada isn't that surprising imo (btw, what happened to Tom Zakrajsek? Does he have any big students now?) What I find more surprising is that a huge Japanese company sponsors a foreign skater. Especially given how many talented skaters are in Japan who don't have such opportunities and who may need more financial support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaeryth Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Shoma JPN/Rusflation VS Vincent JPN/USflation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukigirl Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 It sounds like they think Vincent Z is marketable. Heard he’s quite popular in China. It might even be that they think he has potential to be Yuzu 2.0 in terms of star power. He definitely won’t reach Yuzu heights in terms of mania (not unless he gets 2 OGMs), but he might be set up to fill some of the gap when Yuzu r******. I don’t think I will ever warm up to him. It’s not just his skating, it’s him personally, as uncharitable as it sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaeryth Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Sukigirl said: I don’t think I will ever warm up to him. It’s not just his skating, it’s him personally, as uncharitable as it sounds. ..... same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralucutzagy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 show offs! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulnavia Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Sukigirl said: It sounds like they think Vincent Z is marketable. Heard he’s quite popular in China. It might even be that they think he has potential to be Yuzu 2.0 in terms of star power. He definitely won’t reach Yuzu heights in terms of mania (not unless he gets 2 OGMs), but he might be set up to fill some of the gap when Yuzu r******. If they actually think this.......well, I'll be polite and just say that it's a severe miscalculation. Zhou (and Chen, for that matter) couldn't even sell $20 tickets to Stars on Ice in their home country this spring after both medaled at Worlds. And in Japan, not only do they already have numerous skaters of their own across all categories (currently competing skaters, retired skaters, and young skaters on the rise) with more star quality than Vincent, they also have Olympic medalists and highly accomplished and popular skaters from around the world lining up to compete and perform in Japan. Vincent in particular is also a uniquely bad choice because many of the skating fans who dislike him feel that way not just because he's a mediocre skater being propped up with inflated scores thanks to fed politicking, but also because of things that he has said and done off the ice, which is a lot harder to counter with manufactured PR narratives. Basically, I have no idea what they're thinking with this choice, unless someone at Kinoshita owed Mie Hamada a favor or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkleSalad Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 I don't think comments by Vincent are known to Japanese fans or Kinoshita. I keep hearing that he's said or posted bad things but I don't know what they are and there's no added language barrier for me. Regardless, he seems quite popular in Japan. What I find a bit much is that he specifically mentions receiving support towards his participation in the Beijing Olympics. He's been set up as a direct rival to Japan's own skaters and already has the bonus of US score inflation in addition to any financial support. Some of the arguments I've seen in favour of the sponsorship from Japanese fans on Twitter are: Yuzu receives support from P&G, a foreign company (though they're a multinational corporation and he receives support from the Japanese branch and promotes products available exclusively on the Japanese market) UNIQLO supports international sports stars and this is no different (UNIQLO has stores around the world and promotes a global image) Javi was kind to a certain young world bronze medallist who was also his rival so we should all support Zhou's sponsorship (though Yuzu received no funding from any Spanish companies to push him towards an Olympic medal) Of course there are many people asking Kinoshita to support Japanese junior skaters in particular but another group who seem to be sad and ashamed that anyone would leave anything but supportive comments under the official announcement Tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katt Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Vincent signed an affiliate contract with Kinoshita, the same kind of Yuzuru-Ana, Shoma-Toyota, Marin-JAL. Its a bit different compare to Yuzuru-P&J or Alina-Shisedo (these case they have products/ad/CM and so on). I read on another forum that Kinoshita only support Narumi, not Mervin Tran when they competed so back then, it has something with Japanese citizenship. I ask a several japanese fans and they all surprised about this deal. And when we have several promise JP skaters have to start funding for their training, some people can't help to be upset. Tatsuki Machida never has any sponsor, Satoko signed with Kinoshita in 2017, after alot of archivements. As for Vincent's popularity, its harder to find a skater that is not popular in japan these days . He's more well known than Nathan in China, mainly he speak chinese and his team push alot in this market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katonice Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Katt said: Vincent signed an affiliate contract with Kinoshita, the same kind of Yuzuru-Ana, Shoma-Toyota, Marin-JAL. Its a bit different compare to Yuzuru-P&J or Alina-Shisedo (these case they have products/ad/CM and so on). I read on another forum that Kinoshita only support Narumi, not Mervin Tran when they competed so back then, it has something with Japanese citizenship. I ask a several japanese fans and they all surprised about this deal. And when we have several promise JP skaters have to start funding for their training, some people can't help to be upset. Tatsuki Machida never has any sponsor, Satoko signed with Kinoshita in 2017, after alot of archivements. As for Vincent's popularity, its harder to find a skater that is not popular in japan these days . He's more well known than Nathan in China, mainly he speak chinese and his team push alot in this market. It's the perfect storyline isn't it? A Chinese-American for Beijing 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 27 minutes ago, katonice said: It's the perfect storyline isn't it? A Chinese-American for Beijing 2022. Well, Chen is a Chinese-American too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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