General Yuzuru Chat

[Forcefield]

28 minutes ago, Yolo3a said:

  

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I find this alarming. I confess I don't feel quite swell about the other guys sometimes too for many reasons, but I just feel sad knowing that I allow stuff like this to get to me.

 

What fans and judges do is not the skaters' fault. I don't see this any differently than the extreme Yuzu fans who target other skaters and then other fs fans using the collective us as an excuse to not like Yuzu. They are objectively things outside a skaters' control.

[Mastyaeva]

All this sadly reminds me what TAT liked to say when she was an active coach: we have to be head and shoulders above all the time to make judges give us this victory. 

[WinForPooh]

I get the temptation to direct ire at the skaters. They're the visible ones and getting the candy. Nobody looks unhappy with the gold around their neck, and why would the?!

 

But if the judges don't apply the rules fairly, impartially and strictly across the board, it's the judges' fault, and whatever influences are behind them. It's pretty disgraceful that there seems to be no actual review system for judging outside of the judges themselves, or at a pinch, the feds. Even football isn't that disgraceful, though the review systems are annoying and useless most of the time. Everybody needs to be accountable to somebody who at least has to appear neutral, surely? Maybe we should petition to have judges (and the tech expert/panel) do a lap of honour at the end of the competition. Then they'd be visible and more than just a J and a number. Maybe that would encourage strict and fair judging. _{I know, it'll never happen, but it's fun to imagine it...}

 

But good thing about Yuzu is he's good enough to overcome all of that if he skates clean. It's becoming very important that he manages to skate clean when it really matters, though.

 

And I like Nathan mostly because I can tell his lutz and flip apart.  

[katonice]

Reposting here... 

3 minutes ago, katonice said:

 

 

[Mastyaeva]

Ok, guys, ISU is in real trouble now: even my mom is super angry about 4loop story and she is in charge of many hot pots and pans with boiling oil. They better behave. 

[wombat-poodle]

2 hours ago, katonice said:

More interesting snippets (and points to fume about lol) from Max and Angelo's latest podcast.

 

 

 

Ugh this does make me mad.  and some nathan fans still had the gall to question if yuzu's 4Lz was overscored... 

[meoima]

3 hours ago, b138oo said:

Wow I  never knew they are that strict and old fashioned. I mean with the current technology, we have video and it should be reasonable to use that as an appeal evidence like in football and tennis?? I guess ISU really doesn't want to address this issue 

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Well they do have legit reasons for it, if the judging takes forever, no one on television will wait for it and it will be a mess for live broadcast. And if there were appeals... the podium might chance and a whole lot of issues will come along. ISU do not want appeals mostly to avoid those issues.

 

BUT, if a call is wrong, they should get criticism even though the results might not be changed. I think ISU should have a box to receive feedback about questionable calls. We are all human, it is not a new thing for the specialists to make mistakes, but they SHOULD get positive feedbacks, as well as ACCEPT positive feedbacks. 

[fireovertheice]

So, on slightly different topics: today, reading some of your post about the time between Yuzuru jumps in SEIMEI, plus all the question of one foot skating, I made some calculations of the timing of this program in the last COR.

 

This is the result:

In.Step. Seq.: 20.5 sec.

1st jump (4Lutz: 2.80 sec.) + 22 sec. ca > 2nd jump (3 Loop: 2.10) + 8.30 sec. >  3rd jump (3Flip: 2.50 sec.)

1st Comb. Spin (FCCOSp4): 23 sec.

Step Seq (StSq3).: 50 sec. + transit. 16 sec.

4th jump (4 salchow: 2.40 sec.) + 17.50 sec. > 5th jump (pop 2T: 1.50 sec.) + 16 sec. > 6th jump (combination 4T+3T: 4 sec.) + 3.50 sec. > 7th jump (3Axel+ 2T: 2.90 sec.) + 5.50 > 8th jump (3Axel: 2.40 sec.)

2nd Comb. Spin (FCSSp4): 13.80 sec.

Choreo Sequence (ChSq1): 33.40 sec.

3rd Comb. Spin (CCOSp4): 17.50 sec.

 

More in general:

One foot skating in step and choreo sequences + various transition elements): almost 58.40/59.00 sec.

Jump time (obviously, beginning and landing on one foot): almost 20.60/21.00 sec.

Spinning time on one foot: 54.30 sec.

Total: almost 2.22/23 minutes on one foot, i.e. half of the time of the program (= 4.44 min. based on the rough calculation above)

To note: the timing in the jumps and between some of them, especially the last axels

 

Edit: P.S. Some difficoult transitions or coreographic movements on two feet, such as the ina bauer or the spread eagles and so forth, are not included in the last calculations, but one can not forget them thinking about the complexity and the difficulty of this program.

[fireovertheice]

I have roughly counted also the time of the one foot skating in the step and choreo sequences + various transition elements of some other skaters in the FS showed in the competions of this season held until now.

 

Here you are:

Javier Fernandez, FS: Man of la Mancha (Don Qixote) – AC 2017 >
One foot skating in step and choreo sequences + various transition elements: almost 53/53.50 sec.

Nathan Chen FS:  Mao’s last dancer/Rite of Spring – COR 2017 >
One foot skating in step and choreo sequences + various transition elements: almost 38.50/39 sec.

Shoma Uno FS: Turandot – SC 2017 >
One foot skating in step and choreo sequences + various transition elements: almost 36.30/37 sec.

 

To note: Javier has more one foot skating in the transition elements troughout all the program, plus step seq. and choreo seq., while Nathan and Shoma have one foot skating more concentrated in the sequences. Nathan has little bit more complex/more time one foot skated sequences than Shoma .

 

Edit: I calculated again the timing for Nathan for each part of the program (see my next post) and his one foot time skating in total is around 38.50/39 sec. Then I calculated again the timing for Shoma and it's something more also for him (his movements one foot are so tiny and quick that I had to observe a lot of time and also in slomo) : so I corrected my previous version of this post.

I will see with also the timing in different competions, just out of curiosity.

[cirelle]

2 hours ago, meoima said:

Well they do have legit reasons for it, if the judging takes forever, no one on television will wait for it and it will be a mess for live broadcast. And if there were appeals... the podium might chance and a whole lot of issues will come along. ISU do not want appeals mostly to avoid those issues.

 

BUT, if a call is wrong, they should get criticism even though the results might not be changed. I think ISU should have a box to receive feedback about questionable calls. We are all human, it is not a new thing for the specialists to make mistakes, but they SHOULD get positive feedbacks, as well as ACCEPT positive feedbacks. 

 

In gymnastics the gymnasts can challenge the calls within a certain (very short) time, and it seems to work, should be feasable for fs too? Maybe have another tech panel to do the review so the first can go on judging the competition, if they’re worried about time. Meh, it’s a useless thing to discuss, really. 

[Yatagarasu]

Hello everyone!

We invite you to the Hunger Games of China! Er. Cup of China I mean. Bloodbath though, it shall be! 

 

 

[robin]

Hey guys! I'm super stoked to announce that we just added a new feature to the site: Gallery. We want to encourage everyone to upload photos they took themselves of Yuzu (or other skaters) and share them with the planet here. Hope alot of you participate

 

Before posting, make sure to read up on the rules regarding the gallery here. Spoiler: The gallery will not be an alternative for imgur.com and we only allow uploading of photos you took yourself or fanart you made yourself.

[Joey]

1 hour ago, fireovertheice said:

I have roughly counted also the time of the one foot skating in the step and choreo sequences + various transition elements of some other skaters in the FS showed in the competions of this season held until now.

 

Here you are:

Javier Fernandez, FS: Man of la Mancha (Don Qixote) – AC 2017 >
One foot skating in step and choreo sequences + various transition elements: almost 53/53.50 sec.

Nathan Chen FS:  Mao’s last dancer/Rite of Spring – COR 2017 >
One foot skating in step and choreo sequences + various transition elements: almost 35.30/36 sec.

Shoma Uno FS: Turandot – SC 2017 >
One foot skating in step and choreo sequences + various transition elements: almost 30.30/31 sec.

 

To note: Javier has more one foot skating in the transition elements troughout all the program, plus step seq. and choreo seq., while Nathan and Shoma have one foot skating more concentrated in the sequences. Nathan has little bit more complex/more time one foot skated sequences than Shoma .

 

This is really interesting, thank you for sharing! For these guys you didn't include the jumping time, like you did for Zu, right?

 

So if we'd want to compare with Zu as well, he'd have 1:53 minutes?

 

That would still be double the amount Javi has, and nearly 4x the amount Shoma has. Talk about a big difference in SS/TR/CH.

[Murieleirum]

30 minutes ago, Joey said:

That would still be double the amount Javi has, and nearly 4x the amount Shoma has. Talk about a big difference in SS/TR/CH.

 

And what does 'double the amount' amount to, in PCS score? Little to nothing. 

[xeyra]

 

Info on Yuzu's Seimei costume from recent newspaper. Anyone wanna give the gist of it?