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I don't know if this belongs to here or to the French speaking thread because it is in French, but French TV have released a short document about Alina Zagitova's 18th birthday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YEwIShB1U8&

Anyway, from what I understand, only when Nathan Chen feels really free and independent (while on Yuzuru Hanyu's side, I tend to think he would go for it; though... maybe not so much side-by-side and simultaneously, because it could be at NC's lesser advantage and this, YH wouldn't want). You made me think of this trio, why not a skated version? The Lady, if there is one, should be kind and witty, Paskud had sent a video of a Japanese very fun skater, or maybe Anna Shcherbakova (or, in a few years, I think Alysa Liu may be just the right one, her technique may be not-so at her young age, but her style would fit perfectly). The trio starts at 34:40, and the two Harlequins "competition" at 40:02, then at 44:00.

By the way, why is this practice still called "troll", while we now know he trolled nobody but just couldn't afford doing real jumps then and during competition?

And wasn't this Let's go Crazy the most underscored short program at all? Because after all, this more than 50% of the body weight transfer was not there (he transferred less than 40%), so the call was inaccurate, and this only, meant so many points lost, directly and indirectly. And I suppose he was otherwise "underscored the usual way", with not-so-high GOEs for perfect jumps, etc? (I am rather ignorant about current scoring system, but really utterly ignorant about the previous one.) Not to speak of the performance, interpretation and originality which had a fair claim to the maximum thanks to the superb fixing to this very mistake, which could have been done on purpose to fit Let's Go Crazy, while it was obviously improvised : the mark of genius, and of a masterpiece, to make history. It is said that he never skated LGC clean, but sorry, this was better than clean.

A little laugh... Some "forgotten moves" from the 80's :

We didn't have enough videos of Yuzuru Hanyu's today, did we? This Youtuber has done a bit of a research similar to Henni147's but with some of his "signature moves", some side by side with their inspiration :

¡Hola! Hay quienes consiguieron utilizar trozos de vídeos de entrenamiento para Let's Go Crazy, y les pusieron como música "La Vecinita" de Los Bandoleros, que no tendrá problemas de derechos de difusión con la sucesión de Prince. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQxG0eAt7Kw Aquí la letra de la canción : https://www.musica.com/letras.asp?letra=811931

About skaters accent in English, has Yuzuru Hanyu's own way of speaking English been discussed here, otherwise than observing he feels more easy speaking English with time? I am not a native English speaker, but I really love his way of speaking the language. I mean, I love to hear it, I can't have an opinion linguistically.

At the moment, no GP trophy is cancelled. Let's hope it will be possible to maintain them all (even at other venues), or to find a way to select finalist for GPF if some are cancelled.

I wouldn't have thought of it!

Thank you! What an encyclopedic knowledge!

I hope she will continue with the same dress. Did she skate it clean last season?

Rafael Arutyunyan spoke a bit of it in his last interview, explaining it by the fact in Russia "ice is free" while in US, Canada and many other countries every minute of on-ice training is made the most of because it is so expensive, this difference of perception of time on ice leading to differences in training. But this limitation on ice time, while leading to situations which seem somehow unfair to continental Europeans like me (only the wealthy can become figure skaters, it can seem irrational but it is rather deeply rooted), also favoured the development of a new skill : the optimisation of ice time, which happens to be much better for the skaters' health, though I doubt jumps on a hard floor are that wholesome either, if they are the ersatz chosen instead of on-ice jumps. And Russia doesn't have acquired this competence yet. I hope they will. I don't think training on ice vs training off-ice have any implication in artistry, as the most artistic skater (by far) is also the one who has less on-ice training (by far, too, at least among the "top dozens", isn't it?) While in ballet traditional training with ballet movements must remain the main exercise, otherwise dancers lose their grace. But they do it on special floors to prevent injuries, and are very sensitive to it. Paris Opera Ballet even had a serious issue in the last decades, the Bastille and Garnier floors being of different types (Arlequin Liberty, if I remember well, for the former, and traditional "floating" wooden floor for the latter), giving them frequent injuries, which could be solved only by topping the Garnier floor with the same floor as Bastille. In figure skating, there can be neither floating floor nor sprung blades, so with the same time of on-ice training, the harder the jumps, the more injuries I suppose. Though the team medics must give advice too, as to optimising, not ice time, but the movements of harder effect on the body? Were they already around when Evgenia Medvedeva was there? I wonder how the team are addressing the problem, if they address it at all of course, but I rather think they do. Though maybe not reconsidering global on-ice time. I wonder too, if there is a global Russian reflection on this, but I tend to think there is not, from the absence of any public communication about preventing injuries.

And HE is pretending to "ask for a little decency"! We are really near an accusatory inversion.

Do you mean, the bouquet sentence too? And the hint to Daniil Gleichengauz' choreographies? Of course I hope you're right.

Thank you so much for this so interesting (and hard) work. I see you added it in the Youtube comments, in answer to Vivian's question.

Not exciting at all. Rather worrying as a whole (and reading that Tatiana Tarasova voiced this concern, rather aggravated my worry as I know I am such an ignorant, but she is not, and she isn't biased against Evgeny Plushenko either!) And as to this particular letter, I see it as trying to excite Eteri Tutberidze's anger, like Evgeny Plushenko's "flower series", it makes me somehow ashamed for him but only slightly, that sort of thing will pass. So I am not excited, I just read, and where it seems to me obvious, I read also "between the lines" (provided I can). Here, the plain meaning didn't fit, just as "I am sure I will still have a chance to give my great coach more than one bouquet of her favourite flowers." doesn't seem to be readable to its plain meaning.

What I thought is, if it had this meaning, it wouldn't be written about him only, and with such insistence. (Plus, it wouldn't fit the general tone of the letter, I think.) Another interpretation I dismissed, would be that they would want to wound the trust Eteri Tutberidze has in Sergei Dudakov : I don't see how Alexandra Trusova's parents would have been taken in such a gratuitous act. Plus, I don't think Evgeni Plushenko would have launched such a wicked thing. Maybe Sergey Rozanov as I know practically nothing of his character, should he feel a grudge against him, but I really doubt it could be.

Oh no, I didn't imagine that at all. I supposed, like I think everybody else, that the message came from her parents. Plushenko writing it didn't come to my mind. And I was speaking of the meaning of one particular sentence, though I preferred quoting also the previous one : "I am sure we will meet again and I will have the opportunity to tell him this in person." ("Уверена, мы еще не раз встретимся и у меня будет возможность сказать ему это лично.") I didn't see (and still don't see) any other interpretation of this particular sentence, in this context, that Alexandra Trusova's parents were aware of an attempt to recruit Sergei Dudakov, by Evgeni Plushenko and his team. I didn't imagine either, it was meant to be read by Sergei Dudakov, but by Eteri Tutberidze "and the world". Like all the flower thing.

Thank you for expressing what I feel, I had forgotten the word soulmates. And I really liked Songster01's answer, too.

I don't know if it belongs to here... It is about "fans" and their "preferred" skaters' private life. In Hey! Remember us? Songster01 said Javier Fernández had had problems with fans about a relationship? I read too, that when Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir appeared not to be romantic partners, some "fans" were awful to them. And, a skater recently, without giving name, said another skater had a contract with his sponsors, not to reveal any romantic relationship "because fans are jealous". That some fans can have a pathological views of their "idol" doesn't surprise me, no more than the existence of "stalkers". (I must admit a crave for Yuzuru Hanyu's videos, how pathological is it?) but I would rather think it limited to a very few individuals. Can it make a significant part of a skater's fanbase? Does it depend on who is the skater, of flags, of his skating in Men, Ladies, Pairs or Ice Dance...? How can a fan of Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir be furious at their being engaged elsewhere? Why are they not happy for them instead? How can a fan of a skater be less drawn to buy products he has commercials with, if this skater is in a relationship, than if he is completely alone? (And do fans really believe that a majority of adult skaters are "really completely alone" even if they don't publicise their relationship?) Well this is not a psychology or sociology forum, but maybe some of you have read about this problems, maybe it has been more or less quantified, maybe there are medical explanations... And if this post is inappropriate, or belongs to elsewhere, I see no problem to remove it, or please transfer it to the right thread.

I was about to ask what was that trash because I didn't even dare to search but now you tell us it makes you want a brain bleach, I am not so sure I really want to know... While about the clones, it looks just so funny. Wasn't it an April fool?

Honestly, I preferred the threads to several of the crowns. @EternalSpin, I got PyeongChang Gold 2018 too.

How could he do so with all those humps on the ice? (I didn't see puddles though.)

I just meant I see no other take of it, sorry if I didn't write it correctly? As to Sergey Rozanov teaching roller skating, I read it in another translation of this interview. Apparently it was an incorrect translation. https://fs-gossips.com/eteri-tutberidze-and-daniil-gleikhengauz-commented-on-alexandra-trusovas-decision-to-change-a-coach/ Here again, I don't read Russian. I rely on translations, and they can be accurate or not. I feel very concerned, simply because I became interested in figure skating in 2017 (after having watched a bit in the 80's) thanks to Alina Zagitova, then I watched other skaters in the group, and I like them all. Only in late 2019 (maybe because I tried to seek their programs directly on Youtube?) I "discovered" the existence of Yuzuru Hanyu. And for all his superiority (indeed I believe he inspires some of them), I didn't cease to like them.