robin Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 1 hour ago, kaeryth said: Excerpts from Aoi Hono II I'm not crying. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkleSalad Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 hours ago, LadyLou said: not to mention the highligh of his step sequence, aka The Fall seriously, that one should have earned him not a deduction but lots of bonuses for enhancing the musical structure and drama.and I'm back on topic again...kind of sorrynotsorry This is what I've always thought. It actually startles me when I see a clean version. The fall really added so much - it's my favourite fall ever. Everything came together so perfectly for that Worlds, just like it did for H&L. I really think he has the skating gods behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 so many quads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 BTW, is it hard to get level 4 on steps? I remember Yuzu "struggled" to get level 4 in 2015, but I also have a feeling that last season everyone (like young guys) were getting level 4... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singcarcom Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 58 minutes ago, SSS said: so many quads As much as I think Vincent has lots of talent, Level 4 for both step and choreo sequences? Maybe I'm still unfamiliar with how the step and choreo sequences are judged, but can someone explain to me how Yuzu couldn't get level 4 at times despite having way superior skating skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yolo3a Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, singcarcom said: As much as I think Vincent has lots of talent, Level 4 for both step and choreo sequences? Maybe I'm still unfamiliar with how the step and choreo sequences are judged, but can someone explain to me how Yuzu couldn't get level 4 at times despite having way superior skating skills? Because its a National event? That too not so big one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 hour ago, singcarcom said: As much as I think Vincent has lots of talent, Level 4 for both step and choreo sequences? Maybe I'm still unfamiliar with how the step and choreo sequences are judged, but can someone explain to me how Yuzu couldn't get level 4 at times despite having way superior skating skills? I remember there was some unclear or small error in step sequence in seimei (GPF2015) and the American technical specialist Scott Davis found it. I am going to check other programs now... so curious lol Top 6 in GPF and WC plus 17 4CC: 15GPF SP Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu 15GPF FS Level 4: Javi, Patrick Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu, Shoma 16WC SP Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu 16WC FS Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Boyang 16GPF SP Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Nathan 16GPF FS Level4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick Level 3: Nathan, Shoma 17 4CC SP Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Boyang, Patrick Level 3: Yuzu?!? 17 4CC FS Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Patrick, Yuzu Level 3: Boyang 17WC SP Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Yuzu, Shoma Level 3: Boyang, Nathan 17WC FS EVERYONE is level 4. WOW Conclusion: Javi and Patrick are always level 4 Level 4 vs Level 3 Shoma is 8:2 Yuzu is 6:4 why?????? 17WC FS everyone got level 4...is it because Yuzu skated first? Besides 17WC FS, Boyang got one level 4 in 17 4CC SP. Besides 17WC FS, Nathan got both level 4 in 17 4CC. Only Yuzu got level 3 in 17 4CC SP???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuzuangel Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, SSS said: I remember there was some unclear or small error in step sequence in seimei (GPF2015) and the American technical specialist Scott Davis found it. I am going to check other programs now... so curious lol Top 6: 15GPF and 16WC SP Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu 15GPF FS Level 4: Javi, Patrick Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu, Shoma 16WC FS Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Boyang 16GPF SP Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Nathan 16GPF FS Level4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick Level 3: Nathan, Shoma 17WC SP Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Yuzu, Shoma Level 3: Boyang, Nathan 17WC FS EVERYONE is level 4. WOW LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaweed Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 hours ago, SSS said: 17 4CC SP Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Boyang, Patrick Level 3: Yuzu?!? Wtf.. i don't understand at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralucutzagy Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, seaweed said: Wtf.. i don't understand at all... Judges ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeyra Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Bringing this here because I love when people do these analysis: The FS 3F graphic is probably what my heart looks like whenever Zuzu skates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaeryth Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 16 minutes ago, xeyra said: Bringing this here because I love when people do these analysis: The FS 3F graphic is probably what my heart looks like whenever Zuzu skates. Aaaaaaaaaah!!! I love tables and this 3F analysis is just . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidB-612 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 5 hours ago, SSS said: I remember there was some unclear or small error in step sequence in seimei (GPF2015) and the American technical specialist Scott Davis found it. I am going to check other programs now... so curious lol Top 6 in GPF and WC plus 17 4CC: 15GPF SP Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu 15GPF FS Level 4: Javi, Patrick Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu, Shoma 16WC SP Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu 16WC FS Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Boyang 16GPF SP Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma Level 3: Nathan 16GPF FS Level4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick Level 3: Nathan, Shoma 17 4CC SP Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Boyang, Patrick Level 3: Yuzu?!? 17 4CC FS Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Patrick, Yuzu Level 3: Boyang 17WC SP Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Yuzu, Shoma Level 3: Boyang, Nathan 17WC FS EVERYONE is level 4. WOW Conclusion: Javi and Patrick are always level 4 Level 4 vs Level 3 Shoma is 8:2 Yuzu is 6:4 why?????? 17WC FS everyone got level 4...is it because Yuzu skated first? Besides 17WC FS, Boyang got one level 4 in 17 4CC SP. Besides 17WC FS, Nathan got both level 4 in 17 4CC. Only Yuzu got level 3 in 17 4CC SP???? Thank you compiling these! And I love your comments in small prints because they are exactly what I murmured to myself when I see these score results Do we have a resident step level expert who can explain why Zuzu seems to be getting only half of his at level 4 as compared to let's say...Javi Patrick and even shoma? What is Yuzu missing is the ones that he got 3 on???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EisElle Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 6 hours ago, SSS said: 17 4CC SP Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Boyang, Patrick Level 3: Yuzu?!? 6 hours ago, SSS said: Yuzu is 6:4 I am shook I think I remember the thing with his problems with lv4 in 2015-2016 at first was because the rules had changed from the previous season, and about GPF I thought he maybe was more focused on the performance rather than on control...and there was the tech specialist who is notorious for his strictness on stsq I think (if anyone knows better please correct me) but I didn't know he got lv3 for SP in Boston too (I don't know if laugh or cry for lv4 in the FS,oh zuzu ) But I'm really surprised he got lv3 at 4CC this year, with that SP... did Yuzu missed some requirements because he was distracted for his popped combo? I don't think the part about rotations in both direction was a problem, nor the use of upper body movements... did he messed up with the "complexity" part despite having planned more than the required number of different turns/steps, or with point 4) despite again having planned more than what required? Like he kinda forgot to execute them? I'm thinking that maybe he loses himself in the music a bit too much so maybe he's prone to not delivering exactly what he planned? It's so strange Quote Level features 1) Minimum variety (Level 1), simple variety (Level 2), variety (Level 3), complexity (Level 4) of difficult turns and steps throughout (compulsory) 2) Rotations in either direction (left and right) with full body rotation covering at least 1/3 of the pattern in total for each rotational direction 3) Use of body movements for at least 1/3 of the pattern 4) Two different combinations of 3 difficult turns on different feet executed with a clear rhythm within the sequence source http://static.isu.org/media/1001/tphb-singles-2016-2017.pdf As fot others getting lv4 even with worse skating skills, as long as they do the required turns/steps/combinations and skate in both direction for the minimum required (1/3 vs 2/3, it really doesn't add a thing level-wise that Yuzuru goes as far as doing almost 50-50) of course they'll get the level, no matter if there is a difference in the execution (which I hope is at least reflected in the GOEs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaeryth Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I think I remember that Yuzu's StSq were constructed prior to a rule change for step sequence levels in the 2015/16 season. So he struggled to get to level 4 mainly because of that rule change. And honestly, I would give Chiddy a level 4 for his StSq always (unless he trips or falls during the StSq LOL). Now, 4CC SP... I'm not quite sure what happened here (someone who knows StSq scoring pls help... ) but wasn't judging all around all over the place in that comp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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