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2 hours ago, LadyLou said:

not to mention the highligh of his step sequence, aka The Fall:winky:

seriously, that one should have earned him not a deduction but lots of bonuses for enhancing the musical structure and drama.:laughing:and I'm back on topic again...kind of :ban-smiley-face:sorrynotsorry

 

 

 

This is what I've always thought. It actually startles me when I see a clean version. The fall really added so much - it's my favourite fall ever. Everything came together so perfectly for that Worlds, just like it did for H&L. I really think he has the skating gods behind him.

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BTW, is it hard to get level 4 on steps? I remember Yuzu "struggled" to get level 4 in 2015, but I also have a feeling that last season everyone (like young guys) were getting level 4...

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58 minutes ago, SSS said:

so many quads

As much as I think Vincent has lots of talent, Level 4 for both step and choreo sequences?  Maybe I'm still unfamiliar with how the step and choreo sequences are judged, but can someone explain to me how Yuzu couldn't get level 4 at times despite having way superior skating skills?

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14 minutes ago, singcarcom said:

As much as I think Vincent has lots of talent, Level 4 for both step and choreo sequences?  Maybe I'm still unfamiliar with how the step and choreo sequences are judged, but can someone explain to me how Yuzu couldn't get level 4 at times despite having way superior skating skills?

Because its a National event? That too not so big one?

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1 hour ago, singcarcom said:

As much as I think Vincent has lots of talent, Level 4 for both step and choreo sequences?  Maybe I'm still unfamiliar with how the step and choreo sequences are judged, but can someone explain to me how Yuzu couldn't get level 4 at times despite having way superior skating skills?

I remember there was some unclear or small error in step sequence in seimei (GPF2015) and the American technical specialist Scott Davis found it.

 

I am going to check other programs now... so curious lol

 

Top 6 in GPF and WC plus 17 4CC:

 

15GPF SP

Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu

15GPF FS

Level 4: Javi, Patrick

Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu, Shoma

16WC SP

Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu

16WC FS

Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang

16GPF SP

Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Nathan

16GPF FS

Level4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick

Level 3: Nathan, Shoma

17 4CC SP

Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Boyang, Patrick

Level 3: Yuzu?!?

17 4CC FS

Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Patrick, Yuzu

Level 3: Boyang

17WC SP

Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Yuzu, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang, Nathan

17WC FS

EVERYONE is level 4. WOW

 

Conclusion:

Javi and Patrick are always level 4

Level 4 vs Level 3

Shoma is 8:2

Yuzu is 6:4

why??????

17WC FS everyone got level 4...is it because Yuzu skated first?

Besides 17WC FS, Boyang got one level 4 in 17 4CC SP.

Besides 17WC FS, Nathan got both level 4 in 17 4CC.

Only Yuzu got level 3 in 17 4CC SP????

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, SSS said:

I remember there was some unclear or small error in step sequence in seimei (GPF2015) and the American technical specialist Scott Davis found it.

 

I am going to check other programs now... so curious lol

 

Top 6:

15GPF and 16WC SP

Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu

15GPF FS

Level 4: Javi, Patrick

Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu, Shoma

16WC FS

Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang

16GPF SP

Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Nathan

16GPF FS

Level4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick

Level 3: Nathan, Shoma

17WC SP

Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Yuzu, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang, Nathan

17WC FS

EVERYONE is level 4. WOW

 

LOL

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5 hours ago, SSS said:

I remember there was some unclear or small error in step sequence in seimei (GPF2015) and the American technical specialist Scott Davis found it.

 

I am going to check other programs now... so curious lol

 

Top 6 in GPF and WC plus 17 4CC:

 

15GPF SP

Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu

15GPF FS

Level 4: Javi, Patrick

Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu, Shoma

16WC SP

Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang, Yuzu

16WC FS

Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang

16GPF SP

Level 4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick, Shoma

Level 3: Nathan

16GPF FS

Level4: Javi, Yuzu, Patrick

Level 3: Nathan, Shoma

17 4CC SP

Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Boyang, Patrick

Level 3: Yuzu?!?

17 4CC FS

Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Patrick, Yuzu

Level 3: Boyang

17WC SP

Level 4: Javi, Patrick, Yuzu, Shoma

Level 3: Boyang, Nathan

17WC FS

EVERYONE is level 4. WOW

 

Conclusion:

Javi and Patrick are always level 4

Level 4 vs Level 3

Shoma is 8:2

Yuzu is 6:4

why??????

17WC FS everyone got level 4...is it because Yuzu skated first?

Besides 17WC FS, Boyang got one level 4 in 17 4CC SP.

Besides 17WC FS, Nathan got both level 4 in 17 4CC.

Only Yuzu got level 3 in 17 4CC SP????

 

 

 

Thank you compiling these! And I love your comments in small prints because they are exactly what I murmured to myself when I see these score results:idk:

 

Do we have a resident step level expert who can explain why Zuzu seems to be getting only half of his at level 4 as compared to let's say...Javi Patrick and even shoma? What is Yuzu missing is the ones that he got 3 on????

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6 hours ago, SSS said:

17 4CC SP

Level 4: Nathan, Shoma, Boyang, Patrick

Level 3: Yuzu?!?

 

6 hours ago, SSS said:

Yuzu is 6:4

I am shook :knc_yuzu1:

I think I remember the thing with his problems with lv4 in 2015-2016 at first was because the rules had changed from the previous season, and about GPF I thought he maybe was more focused on the performance rather than on control...and there was the tech specialist who is notorious for his strictness on stsq I think (if anyone knows better please correct me) but I didn't know he got lv3 for SP in Boston too (I don't know if laugh or cry for lv4 in the FS,oh zuzu :sadPooh:)

But I'm really surprised he got lv3 at 4CC this year, with that SP... did Yuzu missed some requirements because he was distracted for his popped combo? I don't think the part about rotations in both direction was a problem, nor the use of upper body movements... did he messed up with the "complexity" part despite having planned more than the required number of different turns/steps, or with point 4) despite again having planned more than what required? Like he kinda forgot to execute them? :confused:

I'm thinking that maybe he loses himself in the music a bit too much so maybe he's prone to not delivering exactly what he planned? It's so strange:crazyshit:

 

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Level features

1) Minimum variety (Level 1), simple variety (Level 2), variety (Level 3), complexity (Level 4) of difficult turns and steps throughout

(compulsory)

2) Rotations in either direction (left and right) with full body rotation covering at least 1/3 of the pattern in total for each rotational direction

3) Use of body movements for at least 1/3 of the pattern

4) Two different combinations of 3 difficult turns on different feet executed with a clear rhythm within the sequence

 

source http://static.isu.org/media/1001/tphb-singles-2016-2017.pdf

 

As fot others getting lv4 even with worse skating skills, as long as they do the required turns/steps/combinations and skate in both direction for the minimum required (1/3 vs 2/3, it really doesn't add a thing level-wise that Yuzuru goes as far as doing almost 50-50) of course they'll get the level, no matter if there is a difference in the execution (which I hope is at least reflected in the GOEs)

 

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I think I remember that Yuzu's StSq were constructed prior to a rule change for step sequence levels in the 2015/16 season. So he struggled to get to level 4 mainly because of that rule change. And honestly, I would give Chiddy a level 4 for his StSq always (unless he trips or falls during the StSq LOL). Now, 4CC SP... I'm not quite sure what happened here (someone who knows StSq scoring pls help... ) but wasn't judging all around all over the place in that comp?

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