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23 hours ago, SitTwizzle said:

But performing what, on 2/3 of the rink, and warned so little time before? He is a skaters' agent, and doesn't know an exhibition program have to be prepared? That a choreographer must conceive it, be paid (here, only for one event), the skater learn it...? That was all ridiculous. And that "crowd bath"!

 

I can translate to French, if needed to (broken) Spanish or Portuguese, but I am the worst dummy at social media, indeed I have no account. And I have no skating fan friend (though a close relative, when I wrote her about technical considerations regarding figure skating but in broader terms, told me she knew a French federal judge, at a lower level of course).

Is there anything I can do? How?

Here is a draft for a translation from English to French (as I don't read Japanese), it is not literal as I tried to convey the meaning I perceived and to write in a rather formal language. And I didn't understand the English/skating meaning of the part in bold, so this I translated rather literally.

Also, I noticed probable little mistakes in the English version, such as reply for replay (twice).

 

Justice pour tous les patineurs artistiques

Pour une amélioration du système de notation

 

Destinataires : Union internationale de Patinage (UIP, ISU) et Comité international olympique (CIO, IOC)

Région : Monde

 

Nous vous prions instamment d'améliorer le système de notation des compétitions de patinage artistique, en installant un nombre suffisant de caméras vidéo et en rendant publiques les informations relatives aux décisions de notation, assorties des éléments matériels correspondants; et d'envisager sérieusement la mise en place d'un système gyroscopique/d'intelligence artificielle dans un avenir proche.

Le système de notation des patineurs artistiques peut prêter à controverse, car il se base sur une unique caméra de télévision en circuit fermé et sur les yeux humains, qui peuvent manquer de précision. Les patineurs n'ont pas le droit de contester les décisions.

Néanmoins, ces décisions, qui peuvent être erronées ou imprécises, affectent de manière significative les résultats des compétitions, et font l'objet de nombreuses critiques par les media et sur les réseaux sociaux, donnant lieu à des débats où sont envisagés des théories conspirationnistes, du racisme, des partis-pris voire de la corruption.

La carre (edge) des sauts et le nombre de leurs rotations sont particulièrement difficiles à déterminer, alors qu'il s'agit des éléments majeurs permettant de remporter une compétition.

Les nouvelles technologies les calculent précisément, en quelques secondes, là où une personne a besoin de temps pour repérer tous les détails.

La notation technique, liée à la qualité des sauts, devrait dépendre d'une technologie avancée, et non d'humains.

Les juges ne disposent pas des ralentis (ce n'inclut pas nécessairement les juges techniques), de plus nous savons qu'il est impossible de toujours voir les carres à l'œil nu.

La mise en place d'une telle technologie peut prendre des années mais ajouter des caméras et des écrans ne nécessiterait pas des efforts démesurés. La communication des notes avec les éléments matériels correspondants, aiderait les athlètes et leurs entraîneurs à corriger leurs erreurs, alors que les notations erronées plongent tout le monde dans la confusion et peuvent causer une perte de motivation, et de confiance dans l'Union internationale de Patinage.

Les patineurs consentent les efforts les plus intenses en vue de gains de l'ordre d'un dixième de point par jour, et ces progrès sont reconnus et appréciés par un nombre incalculable d'amateurs de patinage dans le monde entier.

N.B. : Comme notre unique objectif est de contribuer au bonheur des patineurs, nous n'approuvons pas le fait de brandir des panonceaux "Unfair Judgment" ("Jugement inique") lors d'une compétition, car cela peut gêner amateurs et compétiteurs et les rendre malheureux.

 

Nous, soussignés, en appelons à l'Union internationale du Patinage et au Comité international olympique pour améliorer le système de notation des compétitions de patinage artistique, en installant plus de caméras vidéo, en fournissant les ralentis à tous les juges et en utilisant une technologie plus avancée; ainsi qu'en communiquant publiquement les éléments matériels relatifs aux décisions de notation afin d'assurer transparence et équité envers tous les patineurs.

 

 

 


Thank you SitTwizzle for taking so much time and effort to translate such a lengthy document, you’re too kind! Just yeah not sure where to post that too...

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54 minutes ago, FlyingCamel said:


Thank you SitTwizzle for taking so much time and effort to translate such a lengthy document, you’re too kind! Just yeah not sure where to post that too...

You're welcome!

Plus, Union internationale de patinage (instead of du) by the end, a stupid mistake.

I think it should be re-read by another person.

So, you don't know who could add languages to the petition, or join petitions in different languages?

 

One thing I found about this petition, is its focus on jumps, but having a whole tech panel busy at 80% counting revolutions in spins is hardly better. I think new technologies could do a lot about spins too.

And speaking of Yuzuru Hanyu, he loses a good deal of GOEs on his wonderful spins, I don't see why.

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On 5/19/2020 at 11:30 AM, sallycinnamon said:

There is a long interview with Lorenzo Magri, the coach of Daniel Grassl in an Italian newspaper. He criticized quite a lot how ISU handled the situation before they cancelled Worlds.

 

Magri: I do not agree with the way the ISU operates. It mainly tends to prepare the judges and the technical panels, but not taking care of the coaches, I can say it because I cover both roles as ISU Technical Specialist. They think that the coaches already have their earnings, however there is no training for us and neither for the athletes. The perception is that the ISU takes care of the budget, the image, the sale of advertising and television spaces; it is more a business-related project, it has lost much of the value we could define as sport ethics and principles related to the value of sport.

 

 

 

Mr. Magri, you are so right...we all think the same...the emperor has no clothes

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On 5/22/2020 at 8:07 AM, FlyingCamel said:


Hmm, why is his technique considered bad? Don’t think it’s the best out there but isn’t his technique considered pretty good? 

He gets the jump done, but to me, it is not very aesthetically pleasing!!  The jumps are small and 'tight' with little flow out of them.  And the l...e...a...d..u..p to a jump is boring to me

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On 5/24/2020 at 4:18 AM, SparkleSalad said:

 

the medalists were going to perform, they kept repeating it over and over when they were doing damage control 

 yeah, but maybe not on ice, or on a tiny piece of ice!! 

OR your seat will be obstructed so you may only see a minimized/minimal part of the action, you paid to see!!

I literally thanked the good Lord that I got a refund for WC 2020, as it was daylight highway robbery!!

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1 hour ago, TallyT said:

A very bad sign I think. Yes it is in August but I do think it would have been manageable, should Skate Canada have taken advice from the Korean federation, and of course, with only local attendance (and maybe one dedicated hotel for all people coming from abroad). Unless Canadian government refused them to let athletes ant their teams compete without quarantine? But then, what about September and ACI? And what about SC?

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GP series, if athletes could even find flights, would go like this:

 

Arrive at destination, quarantine for two weeks with no ice time, compete, return home, quarantine for two weeks with no ice time, oops missed my next assignment.

 

There's just no way.

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10 minutes ago, SparkleSalad said:

GP series, if athletes could even find flights, would go like this:

 

Arrive at destination, quarantine for two weeks with no ice time, compete, return home, quarantine for two weeks with no ice time, oops missed my next assignment.

 

There's just no way.

And remember that ice dance and pairs can't touch each other.

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32 minutes ago, Paskud said:

And remember that ice dance and pairs can't touch each other.

New sport emerging - no contact pairs and dance couples. 

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Sounds more and more like Challengers will be cancelled. Given the timing, maybe GP series might proceed, perhaps with no audience? Might negatively affect programs or skaters that feed off the crowd. 

 

Can’t imagine what will happen if GP is cancelled altogether. Then all we hv are nationals and Worlds, if at all. :sadPooh:

I’m conscious of how little time we have left before Yuzu calls time and this pandemic is robbing us of wonderful skates we might have

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