Watched the Dailymotion video, and must say...there's a part of me that's really underwhelmed by Shoma's Winter...something's just off about the music and the step sequence bits...it's nice, still and I'm sure it'll evolve further. 

The Italian ice dance pair, that program is just so awesome, it's adorable!

1 minute ago, b138oo said:

 

Why don't 

4Lz 4Lo 3F 4Lz2T 4S 4T3T 4T-lo-3S 3A

or

4Lz 4Lo 3F 4Lo2T 4S 4T3T 4T-lo-3S 3A 

My thoughts exactly. After he did 4T-lo-3S at WTT, it's not unlikely he plans to keep doing it. And 4T3T seems like a dear old friend... Actually are the numbers of combos and single jumps restricted in FS? Sorry, I can never remember these things...

 

2 minutes ago, Murieleirum said:

 

He will never sacrifice one of his two dearly beloved 3A! 

 

I see more likely something like

4Lz 4Lo 3F 4Lz2T 4S 4T3T 3A-lo-3S 3A, although I haven't calculated the BV.

Hmm true re: 3A... but I do think 4T-lo-3S might be a possibility...

4 minutes ago, Murieleirum said:

 

He will never sacrifice one of his two dearly beloved 3A! 

 

I see more likely something like

4Lz 4Lo 3F 4Lz2T 4S 4T3T 3A-lo-3S 3A, although I haven't calculated the BV.

Just calculated the BV! It's 114,89

 

Faoi backstage  

 

source

 

9 minutes ago, Xen said:

Watched the Dailymotion video, and must say...there's a part of me that's really underwhelmed by Shoma's Winter...something's just off about the music and the step sequence bits...it's nice, still and I'm sure it'll evolve further. 

It's not just you. I have to say... classical music isn't that easy to skate to, especially those music from baroque era. Vivaldi is baroque by the way.

 

I don't see Asian skaters growing up in Asian do well with baroque. Because it's a total different background of culture. Unless you grow up with it. I only see Carolina Kostner did well with baroque because technically it's her own culture. You can watch Carolina skating to Vivaldi Lp last season, especially the one at European. It suits her.

 

I didn't find Mao's skating impressive when she skated to that cello suite. I like Mao, but that music didn't suit her at all. The baroque era is toooo long ago, like 400 years ago in Europe. Yes people say you can do anything on the baroque music because technically it can be a flow without end. But it can be boring and repetitive.

 

Music from romantic era like Chopin is less religious and more about emotions. So it suits Yuzuru. 

11 minutes ago, b138oo said:

 

Why don't 

4Lz 4Lo 3F 4Lz2T 4S 4T3T 4T-lo-3S 3A

or

4Lz 4Lo 3F 4Lo2T 4S 4T3T 4T-lo-3S 3A 

 

Just realized I put 6 quads there 

Nooo! His 3As are beauty and get higher GOEs anywayy

1 minute ago, meoima said:

It's not just you. I have to say... classical music isn't that easy to skate to, especially those baroque music. Because it's a total different background of cultural. Unless you grow up with it. I only see Carolina Kostner did well with baroque because technically it's her own culture. 

 

I didn't find Mao's skating impressive when she skated to that cello suite. I like Mao, but that music didn't suit her at all. Vivaldi is from the baroque era. It's toooo long ago. Yes you can do anything on the baroque music because technically it can be a flow without end. But it can be boring and repetitive.

 

Music from romantic era like Chopin is less religious and more about emotions. So it suits Yuzuru. 

Yes, but the issue with the Vivaldi piece here, is that the Winter seems more suited for a long program. The way Winter was edited and choreographed, there was a spin where maybe a Step Sequence or a Choreo Sequence is more appropriate. But you don't really have room in a SP for that, so we ended up with a spin combo instead. In a free program, you might have that option. And there should have been more feet, circular footwork, but got more arms so eh...just me being picky since I like Vivaldi...

16 minutes ago, ralucutzagy said:

He is such a tease!!! 

 

 

his hands at 0:06

11 minutes ago, Xen said:

Watched the Dailymotion video, and must say...there's a part of me that's really underwhelmed by Shoma's Winter...something's just off about the music and the step sequence bits...it's nice, still and I'm sure it'll evolve further. 

The Italian ice dance pair, that program is just so awesome, it's adorable!

 

You are not the only one...it's so...bland- both the choreography and his expression of it. He didn't seem invested in it all. Then again, Shoma is the type of skater who takes a long time to learn choreography. He has difficulty learning the steps for the opening/closing parts of competition galas. You'll notice he's usually behind the beat. He was probably concentrating on getting all the steps right. That takes care of the expression bit. The choreography bit...yeah...not sure who did the choreography for this one but it looks like a rush job.

12 minutes ago, Xen said:

Watched the Dailymotion video, and must say...there's a part of me that's really underwhelmed by Shoma's Winter...something's just off about the music and the step sequence bits...it's nice, still and I'm sure it'll evolve further. 

The Italian ice dance pair, that program is just so awesome, it's adorable!

It will definitely evolve. His FS last season was very empty at the first showing.

 

And since we're talking about evolving I hope that Yuzu will have new totally different costume for SP. But it still should be blue (for luck).

I’m not sure this should be posted here or relevant threads in Global Ice Talk section, but here is a list of programs performed in FaOI Makuhari.

 

Group Numbers

-Fantasy On Ice

-Choo Choo Train (Keizo Nakanishi)  *Collaboration with Keizo Oguro

-La La La (Maki Oguro)  *Collaboration with Maki Oguro

 

Yuzuru Hanyu

-Ballade No.1, OP.23 (Chopin)  *SP for 2017/2018 season

 

Shoma Uno

-The Four Seasons-Winter- (Vivaldi)  *SP for 2017/2018 season

 

Marin Honda

-Crime Tale (Dimie Cat)  *EX for 2017/2018 season

 

Rika Kihira

-Symphony (Zara Larson, Clean Bandit)  *EX for 2017/2018 season

 

Nobunari Oda

-Tristan und Isolde (Wagner)

-Anata dake mitsumeteru (Maki Oguro)  *Collaboration with Maki Oguro

 

Miki Ando

-Eres tú (Diana Navarro)

-Let It Be (sung by female singer but I don’t know who she is)

-Natsu ga kuru (Maki Oguro)  *Collaboration with Maki Oguro

 

Akiko Suzuki

-Amethyst (YOSHIKI)

-WOMAN (Keizo Nakanishi)  *Collaboration with Keizo Nakanishi

 

Javier Fernandez

-Chaplin medley  *SP for 2017/2018 season

-Pirates of Caribbean medley  *Collaboration with Miki Ando

 

Elladj Balde

-Atsuku Nare (Maki Oguro)  *Collaboration with Maki Oguro and FaOI ensemble skaters

-Timing (Keizo Nakanishi)  *Collaboration with Keizo Nakanishi

 

Carolina Kostner

-Hibi (Shinya Kiyozuka)  *Collaboration with Shinya Kiyozuka

-Ne me quitte pas (Celine Dion)

 

Anna Pogorilaya

-Anna Karenina (I don’t know the music was taken from the ballet or the films)

-The Rose (Amanda McBroom)  *Collaboration with Maki Oguro and Shinya Kiyozuka

 

Evgeni Plushenko

-Tribute to 311 (I don’t know the name of the music nor the composer)

-Sexbomb (Tom Jones, Mousse T)

 

Stephane Lambiel

-Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence (Ryuichi Sakamoto)  *Collaboration with Shinya Kiyozuka

-Sometimes It Snows In April (Prince)

 

Jeffrey Buttle

-Better To Be Loved (Francesco Yates)

 

Johnny Weir

-How It Ends (DeVotchKa), You & Me (Disclosure, Doolittle)

-Chandelier (Sia)

-Baby, God Bless You (Shinya Kiyozuka)  *Collaboration with Shinya Kiyozuka

 

Anna Cappellini/Luca Lanotte

-Chaplin medley

-Almost Paradise (Eric Carmen)  *Collaboration with Maki Oguro and Keizo Nakanishi

 

Oleksiy Polishchuk/Vladimir Besedin

-They did 2 programs but I don’t know what music they used. Their boy meets girl program features this girl was funny and cute.

 

Marie-pierre Leray

-She did one aerial acrobat program using a dark gothic pop song.

Always center and front

 

16 minutes ago, Xen said:

Yes, but the issue with the Vivaldi piece here, is that the Winter seems more suited for a long program. The way Winter was edited and choreographed, there was a spin where maybe a Step Sequence or a Choreo Sequence is more appropriate. But you don't really have room in a SP for that, so we ended up with a spin combo instead. In a free program, you might have that option. And there should have been more feet, circular footwork, but got more arms so eh...just me being picky since I like Vivaldi...

Since I am Asian, and I grew up with classical musicians so this is my take:

- If you're Asian growing up most of the time in Asia, it's not easy at all for you to interpret European classical music, especially those Baroque music from 400 years ago. It is something that has to do with your culture. Baroque music is rigid, flowy and tend to be religious. My friend studied at the biggest music conservatory in London once told me she was forced to give up on Bach for a while because she's not religious. Western students who are not religious can do it well. But they grew up with that culture. Meanwhile my friend didn't grow up with it, so it's harder for her to make it. This has nothing to do with racism or so. It's just different culture backgrounds. It's the same if some Western skaters suddenly chose some Asian music, I don't think they will interpret it well.

- The music of later era like Romantic era and post-Romantic were composed more about emotions with some storytelling and moments, thus it's easier for these music to become warhorse (like Carmen, Turandot, Rach 2, Tchaikovsky piano concerto no 1). 

- I don't think Patrick skating to baroque music was good interpretation either. But at least he did grow up in Western culture so it's still within a range.

- I am glad Yuzuru chose Chopin cause his music was from romantic era with more emotions and outburst of moments. The structure of the piece was set up with more freedom as well. 

Shoma is a skater that need a long time to feel/own his programs. His Loco was empty and messy during summer but it got better as the season went. As for this SP, I think its still in early stage and need a lot of  touch in choreos, especially the stsq. I dont like the music cut but it could be worse. His expression is quite similar to his Loco, but he have alot of time to improve. Its still ice show.