It’s been three months ... 

I also recorded my reaction watching Olympic and I’m sure I cried harder and screamed louder than these fans ! On that day and many days after ...Thank you Yuzu for your extraordinary works and mesmerizing performances. It’s really the case when “your fantasy becomes your legacy “ ( quoting PATD) except it’s not really your fantasy, it’s your realistic goal ...

1 hour ago, dodobirdo said:

I'm sure (or at least, I hope) that I'm not alone in this, but sometimes I find myself spending hours rewatching competitions chronologically with specific commentators, as it's interesting to see how the commentators' opinions have changed over time (and it makes me happy to hear people shower lovely, well-deserved praises upon our boy ). I've already followed through this train with B.ESP and I.ESP (shoutout to my fave Italian uncles), and today it was an abbreviated lookback with CBC. I just finished watching the 2018 OWG SP and FS (Happy 3 Month Anniversary!! ). To be honest, I'm not sure what it was about this experience today that's prompted me to write this post, but I've come away with this feeling of thankfulness for the fact that there are people out there who have witnessed, followed, and supported Yuzu's skating journey for most, if not all, of his competitive skating career and who will continue to do so for as long as he decides to continue.

 

It goes without saying that Yuzu has many, many fans who have also been following him for many, many years and who will likewise continue to do so in the same way, but the interesting thing about commentators is that their experiences with Yuzu's skating are documented and made available for the world to see. Of course, commentating is a job, and some commentators are more informed than others, some more invested than others, but there's something truly special about listening to those who care about and enjoy the sport and its skaters (hi there, all the uncles) and to hear them fall in love with Yuzu's skating (hi there, Max and Angelo). It's especially wonderful to hear them fall in love again and again and again, more and more each time, over all these years (hi again, Max and Angelo ), like many of us have, too. 

 

Anyways. There wasn't really a point to this at all, just sharing some thoughts I had today.

 

Also, hang in there, friends! Only a week to go until FaOI! 

This, totally.

Although I've been in the fandom too little to have advanced that much in my research for commentators xD but I do agree with you. It all started with the commentary on the olympic channel recording of the pyeongchang gala. 

 

3 hours ago, Toni said:

 

It's not presumptuous to see an apple and say, "hey look, an apple."  I don't need to "presume" what Yuzu meant; he said precisely what he meant -- no more, and no less.  You don't have to read into his words at all -- in fact you shouldn't.  There should be zero embellishment or speculation.  His words were as plain as the nose on your face.  It doesn't take a crystal ball or a psychiatrist to understand, since all his words meant exactly what they said.  It also doesn't take a crystal ball to figure out Yuzu deliberately brought this up with Plu-San because he was planning to talk about it later too.  More to the point: Since he was brave enough to say those words, it's wrong to censor him.  Everyone who's been bullied deserves to be heard -- whatever they want to say about it.  Since that is my entire point, there really isn't that much else to talk about.  

Well, the fact that I - and not just me, judging by the people who liked my post - disagree with your interpretation means it's really not as obvious as you say.

 

I'm sure this resonates with something from your own experience and I respect that. You are entitled to your opinion. However, it is not a fact. And my only issue was your initial outrage that other fans were ignoring the topic and your 'call to arms' against those you assume censored him, without any proof whatsoever. I and other fans - with whom the topic probably resonates less strongly or not at all - don't think it's as clear cut as that and that doing anything about it - aside from maybe a polite inquiry, if it really bothers you - could do more harm than good. That was my point. I'm not trying to convince you of anything other than that there are other perspectives. The simple existence of which proves things aren't as obvious as they seem to you.

16 hours ago, MrPudding said:

let me add to that 

oh my god this really gave me an adrenaline rush, even though i already know the result...

that moment between "the scores, please..." and "Shoma Uno has earned in the free skate...." was an ABSOLUTE. ETERNITY.

and yuzu, clapping and cheering in the green room, while waiting for shoma's scores...that moment must have felt like a thousand lifetimes to him, yet he can show such sportsmanship, he really is superhuman. wow. i can't even. 

Hahaa seems like Jack liked it too

3 hours ago, Toni said:

 

It's not presumptuous to see an apple and say, "hey look, an apple."  I don't need to "presume" what Yuzu meant; he said precisely what he meant -- no more, and no less.  You don't have to read into his words at all -- in fact you shouldn't.  There should be zero embellishment or speculation.  His words were as plain as the nose on your face.  It doesn't take a crystal ball or a psychiatrist to understand, since all his words meant exactly what they said.  It also doesn't take a crystal ball to figure out Yuzu deliberately brought this up with Plu-San because he was planning to talk about it later too.  More to the point: Since he was brave enough to say those words, it's wrong to censor him.  Everyone who's been bullied deserves to be heard -- whatever they want to say about it.  Since that is my entire point, there really isn't that much else to talk about.  

 

Fact: Yuzu said what he said. (I won't repeat it here) 

Fact: Yuzu brought up the issue of dealing with bad press with Plushenko

Fact: Yuzu said this on the third day. Yuzu knew that the third day was broadcasted. 

 

Extrapolation: Yuzu said it on the third day specifically because he knew it was the broadcast day. 

Extrapolation: Yuzu brought it up with Plushenko so that he would also bring it up at the end of the show 

Extrapolation: Yuzu wanted this to be something reported and talked about

 

To my mind, there is fact, and then there is speculation. There are other extrapolations any of us could draw up to fit said facts. Doesn't make them true though. 

 

Like someone before me has said, there is nothing wrong with some speculation, as long as all involved acknowledges that that is all it is. Yuzu's experiences and words resonate with us all differently, in our different backgrounds and circumstance and it's fine to share that. That's part of why we have this community. He is an inspiration and we all learn so much from him. But I personally draw the line when any of us begin to say that this or that is what Yuzu meant/wanted unless he himself explicitly says so. 

4 hours ago, Toni said:

 

It's not presumptuous to see an apple and say, "hey look, an apple."  I don't need to "presume" what Yuzu meant; he said precisely what he meant -- no more, and no less.  You don't have to read into his words at all -- in fact you shouldn't.  There should be zero embellishment or speculation.  His words were as plain as the nose on your face.  It doesn't take a crystal ball or a psychiatrist to understand, since all his words meant exactly what they said.  It also doesn't take a crystal ball to figure out Yuzu deliberately brought this up with Plu-San because he was planning to talk about it later too.  More to the point: Since he was brave enough to say those words, it's wrong to censor him.  Everyone who's been bullied deserves to be heard -- whatever they want to say about it.  Since that is my entire point, there really isn't that much else to talk about.  

This topic is from more than 3 days ago. Not to mention it's a sensitive topic and several people, including you, have already stated their opinion (yes, they are allowed to disagree), so please move on from it.

5 minutes ago, OonsieHui said:

 

Fact: Yuzu said what he said. (I won't repeat it here) 

Fact: Yuzu brought up the issue of dealing with bad press with Plushenko

Fact: Yuzu said this on the third day. Yuzu knew that the third day was broadcasted. 

 

Extrapolation: Yuzu said it on the third day specifically because he knew it was the broadcast day. 

Extrapolation: Yuzu brought it up with Plushenko so that he would also bring it up at the end of the show 

Extrapolation: Yuzu wanted this to be something reported and talked about

 

To my mind, there is fact, and then there is speculation. There are other extrapolations any of us could draw up to fit said facts. Doesn't make them true though. 

 

Like someone before me has said, there is nothing wrong with some speculation, as long as all involved acknowledges that that is all it is. Yuzu's experiences and words resonate with us all differently, in our different backgrounds and circumstance and it's fine to share that. That's part of why we have this community. He is an inspiration and we all learn so much from him. But I personally draw the line when any of us begin to say that this or that is what Yuzu meant/wanted unless he himself explicitly says so. 

Agree with your point there.

Considering Yuzu is Japanese, and Japanese cultures are quite different compared to the Western ones. I don't think we should bring this kind of thing to a bigger proportion than it actually is. If Yuzu want to continue talk about it, then I'm sure he will.

Sorry, being Russian here, I demand to know: what exactly do people think Yuzuru and Plushenko were speaking about while Plushenko was being interviewed? 

6 minutes ago, enno0287 said:

Agree with your point there.

Considering Yuzu is Japanese, and Japanese cultures are quite different compared to the Western ones. I don't think we should bring this kind of thing to a bigger proportion than it actually is. If Yuzu want to continue talk about it, then I'm sure he will.

Agree that cultures are different, and that extrapolations are NOT facts.

 

But we should move on from the topic of "censorship" since it's a few days old topic that got bumped and good arguments have already been made (on all sides).

2 hours ago, Fay said:

Sorry, being Russian here, I demand to know: what exactly do people think Yuzuru and Plushenko were speaking about while Plushenko was being interviewed? 

 

They were talking about... how much they absolutely venerate one another? (lol)
And gosh, Plushenko sure talks a lot! I love to listen to him speaking. I mean, I love Russian in general. 

 

 

In any case, since I never stated my opinion on this argument, but I think it's pretty interesting and pretty important, I'll just say this from my part: it will surprise me, in a negative way, if in the future no Japanese media or no media at all will politely ask Yuzuru to clarify what he meant during his closing speech at Ciontu. If I were a journalist, I would definitely want to hear him talk about that as much as he feels comfortable, which also depends on day, mood, period in Yuzuru's life, and so on. Depending on the person, sharing hurtful moments with a small or a big group of people can help you elaborate the tough times. For example, Tonya's book and resulting movie out of her story has surely empowered her, from the few interviews I've seen on the internet. 

Of course, if the media will ask eventually, and Yuzuru will refuse to reply because he won't feel in the mood of further disclosing, then that will be it. He has every right to share what he wants and keep to himself all the rest. Considering that everything he says can be used against him by trolls and he knows it damn well. But considering this, already the fact that he's spoken so openly about his own feelings and fears is a sign of extreme courage and strenght. This is also what I'd like the media to aknowledge.

$10 in the imaginary currency of your choice to whoever finds the cutest and most ridiculous pic or clip in the next 5 minutes.

 

 

Anyone remembers Moir's frustrated face at Olympics Gala when he called Yuzuru many times for group photo but Yuzuru can't hear him because he was engrossed in talking and taking selfie and with Hotarek/Valentina after the lift 

44 minutes ago, SparkleSalad said:

$10 in the imaginary currency of your choice to whoever finds the cutest and most ridiculous pic or clip in the next 5 minutes.