It's that time of the year - coaching changes 2019/2020

[rockstaryuzu]

22 minutes ago, anski said:

I was on my lunch break when I read it on twitter and I was like... bruh

I know, right? I can't even begin to imagine Shoma without Coach Fluffy at his side. But they're right, it's time for him to grow. 

 

I see no one's suggested Ravi Walia - Kaetlyn Osmond's old coach, and the guy who resurrected P. Chan from the dead - yet. As far as I know, he doesn't have any elite skaters right now and he's definitely got the chops. Not sure how Shoma would get on in Edmonton though. 

 

Are there are any single's coaches in Montreal right now? Shoma's already been there for choreo a few times, so he's at least familiar with it. 

[rockstaryuzu]

7 hours ago, eagle said:

We keep thinking its non japanese coach, for all we know Shoma's just changing coaches within Japan.

This. I was thinking of this possibility as well. But who is there that he could go to, that has proven results already? For all intents and purposes, Coach Fluffy is the top men's coach in Japan right now. Anyone else is probably a step down.

[rockstaryuzu]

5 hours ago, Figure_Frenzy said:

I thought of the Florida team,  (James/Cipres, Aymoz & co.) Zimmerman wasn't it? True that he's not exactly considered as a top coach at this moment, but seeing how Kevin developed under him, I think he can be considered as one possibility of coaches based in North America for Shoma (might be one of the best for him even, especially compared to...)

OOOHHHH, interesting!!! I could envision Kevin and Shoma playing well off each other and learning lots. I like this idea. 

[fyere0]

Watch Shoma wind up with someone who isn't on the radar at all. Yuka Sato in Detroit. Doug Leigh at Mariposa. Tsuzuki-sensei, whom we know can train jumps.

[rockstaryuzu]

6 minutes ago, fyere0 said:

Watch Shoma wind up with someone who isn't on the radar at all. Yuka Sato in Detroit. Doug Leigh at Mariposa. Tsuzuki-sensei, whom we know can train jumps.

All interesting choices. Doug Leigh would maybe be a step backwards though. Yes he was Brian's coach but I think Shoma's jumps are beyond what Leigh teaches already. 

 

 

[memae]

I thought this might happen. I just hope he doesn't go to Eteri. Those girls skate like robots. Shoma connects so well with his music and what he's doing - some of that footwork is to die for because he's so expressive. He needs to work on his jumps but is Eteri's little girl technique going to cut it for a man with his strength? And someone who wants to last longer than 2 more years. Surely she'd have one of the top guys already if her style of coaching was effective for men.

 

I like the idea of Ravia Walia. What about Alexei Mishin? Tukta is looking great but Mishin prefers working with male skaters and he doesn't have any of the big guns at the moment. He coached Plushenko and Yagudin. It might be a good match.

[fyere0]

3 minutes ago, rockstaryuzu said:

All interesting choices. Doug Leigh would maybe be a step backwards though. Yes he was Brian's coach but I think Shoma's jumps are beyond what Leigh teaches already. 

 

 

 

He's had skaters with competitive quads, though you're right that he's not exactly on the cutting edge -- I don't know if he's ever had anyone who's trained a 4F or a 4Lz. He also might not be 'name' enough for Team Japan at the moment. But I think Shoma and Julian Yee would vibe really well as rinkmates.

[Veveco]

10 hours ago, sallycinnamon said:

This is the biggest surprise of this (boring) off season so far. 

 

 

[liv]

So, it's true. It seemed to me that this was sounding possible early in the spring... you could see how bitterly disappointed he was with his World's performance and, well, his programs really have been repeats the last couple of years after his very promising early senior years... and this is the smart time to make that change, and get comfortable in the new environment, not the year before the Olympics...

 

I"m excited to hear who he switches to and  I"m in the camp of *please don't let it be Eteri* She's just got so many girls and junior girls and he'd be surrounded by them, lol!! But seriously, I don't see her having as much time as he might need considering all the skaters she has... but he knows what he needs so if it does turn out to be her, then, best of luck to him. As for other contenders... wow. I just don't even know where to start... but again, whoever it is, I hope he finds the connection he needs to improve and show his true abilities. I really do enjoy watching him skate (despite the crossovers and clenched fists) so I"d love to see him rebound and get on that podium again!!

 

 

 

 

[hoodie axel]

53 minutes ago, memae said:

He needs to work on his jumps but is Eteri's little girl technique going to cut it for a man with his strength?

He already does have "little girl technique".

I don't think Eteri's girls skate like robots, whatever can be said about the programs they are saddled with. Mind, I don't think he should work with Eteri.

[Moria Polonius]

Hmmm. I've been reading some comments around. it's been pointed out that Eteri and Dudakov and Shoma are a great match. Shoma's technique relies heavily on pre-rotation.  Dudakov teaches pre-rotation.  Judges don't care about pre-rotation. Shoma wants 4Lz. Eteri's girls have 4Lz. Shoma needs consistency.  Eteri seems good at instilling consistency.  Shoma needs lots of direction and organization done for him.  Any coach more controlling out there than Eteri? People complain that Shoma's programs are empty.  Whatever we can say about Eteri and  Daniil, their programs for girls are not empty (Kvitelashvili though...). 

 

I'm starting to quote fancy the idea. No,  I don't think that Eteri girls skate like robots,  I often find them very expressive.  And Shoma's not 15 years old but 21 - he's got his own style. A different choreo can change things up but it won't completely remove Shoma's innate intensity and expressiveness.  

 

The only con I see is the language barrier and ther prospect of some major alienation involved work moving to Moscow. But Shoma world probably need an interpreter no matter what country he'd move to, so does it matter whether he'll get an English or Russian interpreter?

 

 

It was also pointed out that if Shoma by some miracle moved to TCC, Yuzu and his mom would be expected to help them with everything.  Which sounds like a tremendous burden actually.  Yuzu is fond of Shoma but I doubt he'd be fine with being obliged to show somebody the ropes in a new country, which could interfere with his own routine. 

[eagle]

2 hours ago, rockstaryuzu said:

This. I was thinking of this possibility as well. But who is there that he could go to, that has proven results already? For all intents and purposes, Coach Fluffy is the top men's coach in Japan right now. Anyone else is probably a step down.

I was thinking Mao Asada's Japanese coach, the one who reworked her jumps.

Its not so much finding top coach for male skaters, its finding a jump specialist.

 

 

 

[rockstaryuzu]

2 hours ago, Moria Polonius said:

Hmmm. I've been reading some comments around. it's been pointed out that Eteri and Dudakov and Shoma are a great match. Shoma's technique relies heavily on pre-rotation.  Dudakov teaches pre-rotation.  Judges don't care about pre-rotation. Shoma wants 4Lz. Eteri's girls have 4Lz. Shoma needs consistency.  Eteri seems good at instilling consistency.  Shoma needs lots of direction and organization done for him.  Any coach more controlling out there than Eteri? People complain that Shoma's programs are empty.  Whatever we can say about Eteri and  Daniil, their programs for girls are not empty (Kvitelashvili though...). 

 

I'm starting to quote fancy the idea. No,  I don't think that Eteri girls skate like robots,  I often find them very expressive.  And Shoma's not 15 years old but 21 - he's got his own style. A different choreo can change things up but it won't completely remove Shoma's innate intensity and expressiveness.  

 

The only con I see is the language barrier and ther prospect of some major alienation involved work moving to Moscow. But Shoma world probably need an interpreter no matter what country he'd move to, so does it matter whether he'll get an English or Russian interpreter?

 

 

It was also pointed out that if Shoma by some miracle moved to TCC, Yuzu and his mom would be expected to help them with everything.  Which sounds like a tremendous burden actually.  Yuzu is fond of Shoma but I doubt he'd be fine with being obliged to show somebody the ropes in a new country, which could interfere with his own routine. 

I have another take on the idea of Shoma at TCC, which is that it might lead the JSF into pressuring Zu to step aside in favor of Shoma ( as Zu has already had a lot of success). As much as I could see Shoma getting along with the TCC crew, I'd prefer to see him go elsewhere. 

 

But does Shoma really need a jump coach that badly? He's gotten this far without one. It's only this year, since his injury, that's he's really struggled. 

 

IMO he needs bigger challenges. His Great Spirit ex from SLB was perfect proof of that - he could barely keep up with the choreography but it was absolutely dynamite when he did, cultural appropriation aside. He needs someone that's gonna make him do more of that and really push him, without breaking him. IMO Eteri is the wrong choice. Mishin or Raf would be great though. 

 

 

[WinForPooh]

Have we considered one solid clue that the Shoma to Javi jokes might be real? Shoma is about the same size as the smol skating beans that Javi taught in Sendai so Javi has experience now. 

[anski]

4 hours ago, WinForPooh said:

Have we considered one solid clue that the Shoma to Javi jokes might be real? Shoma is about the same size as the smol skating beans that Javi taught in Sendai so Javi has experience now. 

I mean I wish