Lilona Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Emm they accepted -5 for each fall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xen Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Lilona said: Emm they accepted -5 for each fall? You mean GOE right? I don't think the -1 deduction additional per fall was rejected, was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunna Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I've just read a GOE bullet point for jumps comparison on other forum Old bullets: 1) unexpected / creative / difficult entry 2) clear recognizable (creative, interesting, original for jump preceded by steps/movements of the Short Program) steps/free skating movements immediately preceding element 3) varied position in the air / delay in rotation 4) good height and distance 5) good extension on landing / creative exit 6) good flow from entry to exit including jump combinations / sequences 7) effortless throughout 8) element matched to the musical structure New bullets: 1) very good height and very good length (of all jumps in a combo or sequence) 2) good take-off and landing 3) effortless throughout (including rhythm in Jump combination) 4) steps before the jump, unexpected or creative entry 5) very good body position from take-off to landing 6) element matches the music Well, it would be interesting to see what they mean by very good height and very good length... very good body position from take-off to landing - don't get what's that about, if jump has good height, length and landing I don't know how it can have bad body position o_O I'm sad to see good extension on landing to go though And does new bullets mean that tano and rippons will not have extra points? (I'm actually OK with it and think they must be used only if match the music) Or does it will count in very good body position? It's not like I think judges will judge by rules but still... I feel like I'll be able to check ladies protocols only after emptying a bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sallycinnamon Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 12:04 PM, hoodie axel said: Shekhovtsova made it again. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. ETA: Like with a bad soap opera that has too many twists and turns, the real outcome is better: She didn't make it again. That was fun! First the British candidate won by only one vote (I guess it was 43:42) against Alla, then it was a tie between her and Hungarian Elek (44:44) and then in the final round, Elek beat her. It was a real drama Anyway, here are all the results of today's elections and the full list of the ISU Office Holders: https://www.isu.org/news/145-news/12112-election-results?templateParam=15 15 hours ago, Lunna said: Well, it would be interesting to see what they mean by very good height and very good length... very good body position from take-off to landing - don't get what's that about, if jump has good height, length and landing I don't know how it can have bad body position o_O I'm sad to see good extension on landing to go though And does new bullets mean that tano and rippons will not have extra points? (I'm actually OK with it and think they must be used only if match the music) Or does it will count in very good body position? It's not like I think judges will judge by rules but still... I feel like I'll be able to check ladies protocols only after emptying a bar I think the whole point of them problem is that these are just guidelines, general recommendations, and they are not real rules...that's why it's not possible to enforce them if they are just recommendations. Judges can interpret them differently and this is the reason why they are unclear and not clearly defined. Some judges may find an element 'good', some may think it's not just good, but 'very good'. We'll see how things will go, but I think scoring GOE's will remain a playground. I think tano/rippon will count to the very good body position criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yatagarasu Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Lunna said: Well, it would be interesting to see what they mean by very good height and very good length... Whatever they feel like at the moment, ie which skater is on the ice tbh. It's all super vague, and it's hardly the only thing with their should-s and undefined this and that. So business as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murieleirum Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Lunna said: New bullets: 1) very good height and very good length (of all jumps in a combo or sequence) 2) good take-off and landing 3) effortless throughout (including rhythm in Jump combination) 4) steps before the jump, unexpected or creative entry 5) very good body position from take-off to landing 6) element matches the music New bullets in some judges' head: 1) It's a quad! It's big! 2) Didn't fall 3) It's a quad! 4) What step? I didn't see any step 5) Wow! It's a quad! 6) Skater does something cool when he lands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sombreuil Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 "Guidelines" - did anyone see Pirates of the Caribbean? Because that's what I think every time I see the word, especially in relation to sports authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Lunna said: I've just read a GOE bullet point for jumps comparison on other forum Old bullets: 1) unexpected / creative / difficult entry 2) clear recognizable (creative, interesting, original for jump preceded by steps/movements of the Short Program) steps/free skating movements immediately preceding element 3) varied position in the air / delay in rotation 4) good height and distance 5) good extension on landing / creative exit 6) good flow from entry to exit including jump combinations / sequences 7) effortless throughout 8) element matched to the musical structure New bullets: 1) very good height and very good length (of all jumps in a combo or sequence) 2) good take-off and landing 3) effortless throughout (including rhythm in Jump combination) 4) steps before the jump, unexpected or creative entry 5) very good body position from take-off to landing 6) element matches the music Well, it would be interesting to see what they mean by very good height and very good length... very good body position from take-off to landing - don't get what's that about, if jump has good height, length and landing I don't know how it can have bad body position o_O I'm sad to see good extension on landing to go though And does new bullets mean that tano and rippons will not have extra points? (I'm actually OK with it and think they must be used only if match the music) Or does it will count in very good body position? It's not like I think judges will judge by rules but still... I feel like I'll be able to check ladies protocols only after emptying a bar lmao as if application of the GOE bullet points has always been super subjective and straight forward and not subject to bias, at all, they introduce a nuance between just “good“ and “very good“. It seems so pointless and naive. I had the impression ISU was already aware of how incompetent their judges are, what with how that they can’t tell steps before jumps apart, so they can’t seriously be expecting judges to know what to do with this distinction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarissaH Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 This whole ISU Congress has just proven to me how incompetent some of the officials, and especially the judges are. it's also proven to me that no one seems to hate the sport more than the officials overseeing the sport I won't lie, some of what happened at the Congress genuinely upset me for one reason or another. Like, they can talk for 20-30 minutes about what qualifies as music and about how outdated a flashdrive is while defending the CD but no one will say anything when that confusing AF technical proposal bundle that has the potential to make or break the sport hit the voting table. I truly feel like this is the best representation of what the world of figure skating looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodie axel Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 What's a "serious error"? Place of birth, I'm assuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Cat Lady Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 On 6/7/2018 at 8:47 AM, WinForPooh said: I don't understand why there was a rule that men couldn't wear tights at all. I mean... Let everybody wear whatever they want and if it doesn't suit the programme, let that come out of In or something. I recall from some articles from the way back machine that Alexander Fadeev once wore sheer white tights with just a dance belt underneath and Brian Boitano wore tights with a clear VPL . The P does not stand for panty in this case. And of course, there is the long history of trying to butch up figure skating. But it's a pretty silly rule. Hanyu's UA is pretty much tights and while purple LGC was technically not tights, I would say it was more revealing than Yuzu's practice gear. As for the other new rules, most of them seem ideal for Yuzu. He can pretty much just do his original planned 2018 layout, drop his worst triple, makes 3 axel more important, he already does his combos in the back half so he won't have to adjust, cuts Nathan's tech advantage significantly, while more potential reward with GOE. When was the last time Nathan even landed 4 loop? Does he still practice it? If he doesn't get it back while Yuzu gets all his quads back, Yuzu and Nathan will have similar BV. There's a lot of potential to hammer Shoma with the GOE's. If actually applied, I think Shoma and Nathan are hit pretty hard by new rules. I am disappointed at how they're restructuring GOE's though. Yuzu doesn't have nearly the advantage that I thought he would - looks like in new system +4/+5 are easier to get than +3 in old system while taking away advantage for doing difficult exits and delayed rotation/varied air position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coquelicot Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Sombreuil said: "Guidelines" - did anyone see Pirates of the Caribbean? Because that's what I think every time I see the word, especially in relation to sports authorities. Accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelnojutsu Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, Old Cat Lady said: If actually applied, I think Shoma and Nathan are hit pretty hard by new rules. Does anyone believe they’re actually going to apply their own rules, though? I do not think Nathan or Shoma will be penalized no matter the rules we end up with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Cat Lady Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 While 2017 worlds was iffy, outside of national bias and an occasional jump here or there, I found the 2018 world or Olympic GOE scoring to be pretty fair. It's the components that always seems completely out of whack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yatagarasu Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 hours ago, hoodie axel said: What's a "serious error"? Place of birth, I'm assuming. Yes, that would be correct. Place of birth is also "something special" that you need for a 10 in PCS. Smashing, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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