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  1. I'm confused as to what they mean by "delay" in rotation. I thought "delayed rotation" referred to jumps where the skater jumps into the air first then completes all the rotations in the air. If the rotation is starting on the ice, how can you argue that there's any delay? I think heavy pre-rotaters also essentially spin off the take off because they're relying on rotational momentum to complete the jump. I can't think of one that turns forward, then pauses to stop the rotation, takes off, then completes the rotation - and if they are doing that, isn't it essentially a different jump? Nevermind that at 180 degrees pre-rotation, the skater would be taking off forward so the jumps should technically be called "downgraded" and therefore how can you even call it a quad (unless they're going for a quint)?
  2. I'm not sure what I hate more - Elvis medleys or Chaplin programs. I think it's time for me to give up on him. I've been holding out hope because I'm such a huge fan of his actual skating and I'm not so emotionally invested to feel crushed by the head case factor, but I don't think I can deal with terrible programs anymore. Why is it such a sin these days for beautifully classic skaters to skate to music that suits their natural style? I don't care that Carmen is a warhorse - it was the only program I've seen of his that suited him perfectly.
  3. Why do you need a visa? Isn't a passport enough for just a visit? Well, I'm 90% sure I'm going so, provided I can get my passport, I would be interested in splitting costs of accommodations. So hopefully that helps ease the burden for some of us at least. I'm still weighing how upset I'd be about buying the tickets if Yuzu doesn't make it vs. missing out on seeing him vs. trying to go to a different event. I feel like the cost factor makes this the best chance to get good seats - I'm even madder at myself that I screwed up bidding on that auction.
  4. I should clarify that when I said that Michelle Kwan got discussed as GOAT, it was more a fan thing than a media thing and it was when her career was still active and the Olympics were still a possibility. I think in the US, most people consider the Olympic singles gold to be essential for GOAT candidate. Though I think sometimes people would intimate that she could become the GOAT - I remember when Peggy Fleming was doing one of those commentary intros, she talked about how Michelle Kwan was an important figure while Tara became a "blip on the radar". I think the dichotomy of the sport also affects how people rank the GOAT candidates. Sport is judged very differently than art and leaning more one way or the other (or in hoodie's case, neither), can produce 2 completely different, though valid in their own way, lists. For me, ISU competition is sport first. We all know that for those who are actually competitive for titles, artistic sacrifices are made to garner points, if the skater even has an artistic point of view in the first place. I think most skaters just do what is expected of them in order to place as high as they are able rather than trying to make any sort of artistic statement. As such, I hold skating to the same standards as other sports and in every sport, the competitive results are the primary, but not sole, determiner of GOAT status but everyone who is considered a GOAT candidate also has the biggest titles in the sport. I also agree with rockstaryuzuru in that, one of the biggest determiners of GOAT is how many people agree that you're the GOAT - after all, it is an artificial fan anointed title, no matter what sort of logic we try to bring to it. I agree that there should also be a differentiation between eras. I don't think it has to be as drastic as between generations, which for sports is not very long, but certainly between major changes to the sport. It's pretty much a different sport since figures was devalued and then eliminated.
  5. Yup. I wish I could say I were so morally upstanding but the likelihood is that I'll cave unless I think I'll be able to see him in other events. Even if he makes it to Autumn Classic, I have to think that you have to be a little lucky to get tickets. Maybe we should all beg on bloody knees for him to do world tours.
  6. I'm feeling conflicted. On one hand: 1. I have the money and have been planning to go for a long time now. 2. This might be the last chance for me to see Yuzu live. 3. It's fairly close to me 4. There is a high probability of getting good seats 5. The US Dollar is fairly strong against the Canadian dollar right now On the other hand 1. Paying the ticket price is rewarding SkCanada's exploitation. 2. Yuzu might not make it so it's a huge gamble. 3. I expect the judging to be favored toward Nathan since it's in N.A. and it will be even more aggravating to know that I paid that much for it 4. For that price, I could probably go to a couple smaller events, though it's a giant gamble as to whether I can get tickets. 5. There's a chance that they'll have to discount the tickets down the line. I'll feel like an even bigger sucker if that happens. But there's a nagging thought that persists - what will I regret more, overpaying and going against principles or missing out on seeing Yuzu when I had the money to do so?
  7. Is a toe axel an actual different thing? I thought it was just short hand for "exceptionally crappy pre-rotated toe loop". Or are you just objecting to use of the slang? yes, it doesn't look like he's really picking and he's taking off forward, but we've seen elite skaters get credit for take offs just as bad. I'm more confused about why they're even working on this unless the kid already has all the quads. The cynical part of me thinks that the harness guy is doing the majority of the work and this was just staged for publicity. Of course, I would say the same about most of these attempts, excluding Dmitriev only because he's not on a harness. But, c'mon, does anyone actually believe for a second that he'll ever rotate and land it? also, I don't think quints are happening any time soon unless there's a major innovation in technology. Inspiration can go only so far. btw, I added Camden Pulkinen's attempt to the original 4axel post. Not sure how much of his jump problems are in his head vs in his technique, but it seems that a skater who is actually trying to make a career out of skating should be utilizing their precious ice time for stabilizing their regular jumps first. Dmitriev doesn't have much to lose since he's likely never going to medal in nationals or grand prix event anyway so this is his only chance at a claim to fame. But then again, I don't see Pulkinen ever being a contender on the world stage anyway.
  8. Maxim Belyavsky Max Aaron Artur Dmitriev Jr There's 2 different attempts on this video
  9. I think that they think that it is primarily Fanyus and Canadians that will be interested in this event and Weaver/Poje are the highest ranked Canadian skaters. Unlikely to medal, but ice dancers have jumped from 5th to podium in one year plenty of times before.
  10. Wait... does this mean worlds is going to be on an NHL sized rink instead of an Olympic sized rink? That's bad news for Yuzu I was so busy being agog at the prices that, that didn't even occur to me. Kind of funny but also a bit unfair- it seems the defending world champion should be acknowledged. Weird that none of the defending world champions are on there but it makes it clear who they're trying to exploit.
  11. This is so depressing. I have doubts about Yuzu going to Autumn Classic considering his injury and AC being earlier in the year and now worlds is this expensive. I can just barely afford it because I just got my tax return but I can't justify the cost in my mind. This is so exploitative - they know that Yuzu could retire soon and fans are desperate to see him. I hope Yuzu does shows outside of Japan so international fans have a shot at seeing him afterwards
  12. I was wondering about that myself though at this point, not sure how much more people have to say on the matter. @sallycinnamon @Hydroblade @robin @yuzuangel sorry to let it get this far, but if you want to move posts I created a new thread (not that it's necessary. I'm sure people can just copy and paste). First post on the subject is on page 4805
  13. To continue discussion from the general Yuzuru chat
  14. I'm just talking based on what I've seen as a whole personally, which, of course, is all English speaking and mostly NA and whatever gets translated (a few Russian and Japanese articles) so maybe a small sample? I see other names get thrown around on forums too, but not in large volumes.
  15. That particular paragraph was to point out the contradictions in including/excluding some over others. Almost no one points to Grafstrom or Salchow, with 10 world titles, in the GOAT debate. Grafstrom checks off the same boxes as Button. They both introduced technical aspects to the sport, were dominant in their time, and won the most important titles multiple times. Same with Salchow - though he only won the Olympics once. The point of my entire post is that, from a sporting perspective, there are several commonalities in popular GOAT candidates, most of which translate throughout most sports It's strange that, that's the attitude in a sport where females tend to be the popular face, at least until fairly recently. In tennis and gymnastics, I think there is a lot of GOAT debates. Don't know much about other sports but I imagine with a lot of other sports there's less talk just because women in the sport don't have as much tradition as the men? I'm not talking about personal favorites, of which, then there would be a huge list of candidates. But about people who are widely mentioned in these categories. I personally think Yagudin is greater than Plushenko for the reasons I mentioned above. They both check off all the boxes for me but, personally, I think Yagudin edges out Plushenko because Yagudin was a more complete skater with more consistently memorable programs. However, when the GOAT conversation comes up in English speaking media, it's consistently Button, Plushenko, and Hanyu for the men. I think they get chosen for the reasons I mentioned above. Once again, when I say "longevity", I mean consistently at the top of the sport, not who's been in the sport the longest. Then it's a question of how long is long enough? Does being in the top 3 for 10 years matter more than dominating for 4? How do you weigh those who were great for a year or two then left versus those who were competitive for a couple cycles?
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