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  1. Old Cat Lady

    [2018] GP NHK Trophy - Men SP & FS

    OMG! I'm watching ESP2 version of NHK short and 1 guy just said that Zhou was a contender for gold against Uno! Ok, technically it's true in the sense that Shoma could pop all his jumps but he was saying it as if he was on the same level They also seemed mystified by Zhou's score even though they said on the replay that he landed a jump on the quarter and mentioned the rotation issues at SkAm
  2. Lol, between my massive 17 points here and 19 points for SkCan, I'm so far out of the running at this point! Rostelecom dance is hard - this must be the weakest dance field in the series. I'm having trouble even finding the names on the personal best list.... er... I mean, in my memory for my deep and thoughtful analysis eta: I gave up. I just picked a Russian sounding name for bronze
  3. lol, that's a really good reminder. That was my fatal mistake when I was trying to sneak a Yuzu viewing. So everyone, remember - a long power cord (or at least a full charge and a power cord for after) so you can accommodate a variety of hiding places, noise cancelling ear buds in case you have to watch somewhere noisy and need to prevent others from hearing you, and, if possible, a cushion/layers of sweats/heavy coat in case you want to get greedy and watch the whole event and have to go somewhere uncomfortable
  4. Old Cat Lady

    General Yuzuru Chat

    A lot of people do pre-rotate the axel but it's generally by less than a 1/4 as opposed to toe jumps, where a lot of skaters pre-rotate up to 180 degrees. Pre-rotating generally results in a smaller jump. People seem to be able to sort of spin into the jump off the toe so I'm guessing they're relying on momentum+cheat to complete the rotations but since they're not vaulting into the jump, it can't get the height. I can't explain the sciency aspect of it but I have noticed that there's a lot less pre-rotation on the axel in general and I think that's why skaters like Shoma have had so much more difficulty with the axel than the "quads". I'm pretty sure the only reason that Dave's started acknowledging Shoma's poor technique is because he got called out over giving Shoma a 4 GOE on it in his judging video by so many people in the comments. Did Dave really publicly say that they quit criticizing Yuzu for business reasons? I feel like such a fool - I thought Dave genuinely turned his opinion around. Jonathon never pretended to like Yuzu but Dave's been so much more positive - judging by his facial expressions, he even seems annoyed when Jonathon would criticize Yuzu. But maybe the pursed lips and wide eyes were just because Dave was worried about fan reaction to what Jonathon said - I did notice that Jonathon was nicer in the Helsinki review so I guess Dave must have finally drilled the business model into Jonathan's head. Ever since I saw the video where Dave tried to claim that Shoma, Nathan, and Yuzu should all get 8's across the board for PCS at 4 Continents, I quit taking them seriously as skating critics. I returned to serious fandom because of the Olympics and so watched old videos of TSL a couple months later - at that point, I already understood the system better than they did. It didn't take a lot of time or effort to understand the judging system so why do they seem so clueless when they've been following it for years ahead of me? Now that I know that they're discussion is spun for business purposes, I can't even respect them as gossipy bitches. I knew not to take them seriously for info because they tried to claim that Yuzu hated Shoma but I thought they were at least honest in their opinions. That's the thing I hate the most too. I remember I was excited to see a pic of Yuzu at his parade on their video thinking that they were going to have a big discussion about him but then all it was was a line or 2 asking why he got the People's Honor award but not Kohei Uchimara. Honestly, I don't even mind hearing criticism, but it really annoys me that they use his image to get me to sit through an hour of their talking then give me 2 seconds of content that isn't even about him.
  5. Old Cat Lady

    General Yuzuru Chat

    Was searching Yuzu pics on Pinterest. When I clicked on a pic of Yuzu dancing in Haru yo koi costume, the screen was populated with a bunch of fashion models in dresses. Then I clicked on another Haru yo Koi costume pic, and it's a bunch of women in wedding dresses. Click on a third pic of Haru yo koi, and it's a bunch of k/j-pop idols. I'm curious how Pinterest decides what else you might be interested in - it seemed to think that he was a woman in a dress. eta: lol. This one got me a bunch of wedding cakes. This is becoming a new obsession for me . eta 2: another got me historical women/american pop stars/marilyn manson, a couple more j/k pop stars (2 men, 1 women), rihanna and some other women with short hair styles. I've seen the J/K-pop stars before when I click on Yuzu pics, but all these other things seems to be a phenomenon specific to haru yo koi Also, anyone else not realize that the site banner is a link to the home page? After being on here since March, I just figured it out last week and that was only because I liked the banner so much that I was trying to figure out how to save it. The new auto avatar is so beautiful as well.
  6. Old Cat Lady

    Guess Everyone's layouts

    woops. Just re-watched SkAm. I guess you could say that program was clean since the under rotation didn't get called and we don't generally count edge problems, quality issues, and level downgrades when we think of clean - but yikes, 2 level 2 elements. Was that on purpose after the JPN open debacle? For some reason I thought he stepped out of a jump but he didn't Says a lot that Chen only managed 9.09 ave PCS when he skated the cleanest I can think of (I don't follow Chen closely so don't take my word on that) on home turf. But I'm not surprised that Chen doesn't have a lot of clean skates. He's risen by pushing his technical limits to the very edge of his ability. Yuzu, on the other hand, waits until he has a high success rate before implementing things, and even he has only 6(?) clean free skates in international competition and he's been competing a lot longer, and that's counting 2014 worlds, which had a lot of quality issues with the jumps.
  7. Old Cat Lady

    Guess Everyone's layouts

    This is what I get when I plug in the numbers that I think judges will give them (not what I think they deserve but what I think they will get) and their PCS from their cleanest programs from 2017 to present. I used what "I think" Chen was attempting at JPN Open for his free skate and added a quad to his SP because I don't believe that he's going to stick to only 4 quads in a competition. I don't think Chen's ever skated a completely clean free skate so I just used 2018 worlds and 2018 SkAm for his PCS, which I think are his 2 highest scoring PCS scores. 9.14 PCS, around 2.5 for combos, 3 for solo jumps, 2.5-3 for other elements, except for FS choreo seq which inexplicably was judged at 4 SP: 3a, 4f, 4lz/3t* = 108.89 LP: 3lo, 4lz, 4f/3t, 3a, 4t/3t*, 4t/2t/2lo*, 4s = 211.38 Total: 320.27 ETA: if you change Chen's 3lo to 4 lo, I get 218.66 FS, 327.55 Total score. I have doubts that he can manage 5 quad FS considering 3/4 of quads at SkAm were iffy w/the watered down layouts and multiple quads were iffy at 2018 worlds/Olympics Uno - 9.21 PCS, 4.5 for spins, 4 for steps and choreo seq, 4 for axel, 3.5 for other jumps SP: 4f, 4t/3t, 3a* = 109.45 LP: 4s, 4f, 4t, 4t/2t, 3a*, 3a/1e/3f*, 3s/3t* = 211.98 Total: 321.43 Hanyu - 9.68 PCS, 3.5-4 for triples and combos, 4.5 for solo quads, 3.5 for spins and choreo seq, 4 for step sequence SP: 4s, 3a, 4t/3t* = 111.49 LP: 4lo, 4s, 3lo, 4t, 4t/3a seq*, 3f/3t*, 3a/1e/3s*= 218.58 Total: 330.07
  8. Lol, we're so predictable. a week before the event and the Yuzu competition thread is already most active. Luckily for me, my boss lets me choose my schedule and I have no class on Fridays. Between class and work I tend to be busy for 14-16 hours on Thursdays but I have faith that the Yuzudrenaline will power me through until the 5am short program. Just wanted to add my bit. I think you have to pick an objective and it depends on exactly what audience you're directing it at. If you're trying to convert an average viewer to Yuzu, I suggest Olympic Semei. 1. Semei has the most audience friendly music. That driving beat is very catchy. 2. This is his least "gay" (don't lynch me - not my opinion, speaking from how I think others would react) program so it will be unlikely to turn anyone off. People who think this is too girly probably wouldn't be into figure skating no matter what you do. 3. His costume isn't as "girly" (see #2 parenthesis) 4. It was clear that he worked on the performance aspect in his down time - he had so much more charisma and tension in his Olympic performance vs. GPF 5. He was a lot hotter at the Olympics. I'm being totally serious in making this a factor. I think looks can really draw in an average viewer (see Anna Kournikova). Obviously some people like that baby face look, in case 2015 would be better, but I don't think he really grew into his looks until 2017 and back then, he wasn't styling his hair to match the program either. For me, I never was into Asian men until I saw Yuzu at the Olympics and then I became obsessed - lol, Yuzu has opened up a whole new vista of ogling for me - now I leer at a lot of Asian men. The only drawback to using Olympic Semei is that I think a lot of "average" or "casual" viewers will hang too much importance on the mistakes. If you want to show skating at his epitome, I suggest Olympic Chopin. I think this was his best blend of technical perfection and performance. All his jumps were butter smooth, all his elements were musical, he had that sexy command and authoritativeness of the choreography, and his charisma was at its peak. Plus.. you know... the hotness factor. However, this program might be too "girly" for a lot of audiences. I personally never liked Parisian Walkways that much, which I'm really sad about because it caused me to miss a lot of Yuzu time. However, I think it's a more "masculine" style that would appeal to a lot of people and it was the technical peak in the day. But I do agree that 2015 GPF is probably the best combo of technical superiority, artistic mastery, cleanliness, and audience appeal. His spins were faster and the jumps were cleaner than Olympic Semei. I just don't think it displayed his peak at any of those things.
  9. Old Cat Lady

    [2018] GP NHK Trophy - Men SP & FS

    I love how quirky the Japanese men are. There's Yuzu giving thoughtful speeches and wearing the translator out for every answer. Then there's Shoma constantly dazed and giving clearly completely unrehearsed answers to everything. I think in the past, Shoma was unintentionally hilarious but these days, I wonder how much of it is him learning to play to the crowd. He's had years of training from his Senpai at this point. Oops. I realized I made my calculations for Yuzu/Nathan beating Jun to get to the final. They probably need 4th to guarantee a spot in the final, though it's highly unlikely that they won't make it at 5th. There would have to be a combination of the "super long shots" and "bubble" circumstances happening. It does seem likely that Keegan will be rounding out the field. The men's field has been incredible the last couple years - I think it's the deepest it's ever been. 2 world medalists unlikely to make the final! I don't understand why Kolyada bombs so often - is it purely nerves, even at these pitily competitions? Why would you choke at Finlandia? Helsinki had bad ice but he was winning the practice sessions so I don't think that's what it is. His technique is so gorgeous that you would think it's some outside factor. Not enough run throughs? We better be careful though, we might jinx Yuzu. A good day for Kolyada and a bad day for Yuzu gets Kolyada there. And Yuzu might be more nervous performing in Russia, even with Plush not there.
  10. Old Cat Lady

    [2018] GP NHK Trophy - Men SP & FS

    To add to what others have said: Shoma- 30 pts Brezina - 26 pts these 2 are the only ones that have for sure qualified Likely: Yuzu - 15 pts, Needs 5th or higher to lock Chen - 15 pts, needs 5th or higher Bubble: Cha- 22 pts Voronov - 24 pts, does not make the final if Kolyada wins AND Messing is 2nd or 3rd and Chen/Hanyu finish at least 4th Kolyada - 9 pts, needs 2nd or higher (and higher than 254.77(?) - not sure if 1st tie breaker is purely the score or if it's placement) Messing - 13 pts - needs 4th or higher Super long shots: Jin - 7 pts, possibly qualify with a win and >254.77 Aliev - 7 pts, a win and >254.77 Samarin (?) - not sure if he has another spot but he could qualify with 2nd or higher To be fair, there's a separate deduction for an under rotation with a sign vs. an under rotation that isn't called so they have to change the scores after the tech panel makes a call. My gripe is that the judges seem to completely disregard the deduction for under rotations with no sign.
  11. Old Cat Lady

    Guess Everyone's layouts

    I agree. I don't think these early scores are indicative of much as far as Yuzu is concerned. He's notorious for being a slow starter. I just like to do these things because it annoys me when people pull suppositions out the ass based on nothing. Shoma and Kolyada seemed to be the closest to their best level at the early part of the season. Yuzu and Boyang the farthest from their best level. Even if he doesn't necessarily make a mistake on the element, the quality of the element increases as the season goes on whereas Nathan, Kolyada, and Shoma did their elements at about their normal to best quality level. Yuzu's pcs will also go up when the quality of his elements will increase. Then we also have to take into account that Nathan and Shoma both had events in their home country while Yuzu didn't. I think once everyone has at least 2 events I'll drop all the scores from the B competitions since a lot of them are from lower level judges and both judges and skaters were shaking rust and adjusting to the new system.
  12. Old Cat Lady

    Guess Everyone's layouts

    Just an update now that we're half way through. I got average GOE's for the big 4 based off of clean elements (not necessarily perfect, but no major mistakes based on how they usually land them). If they haven't yet landed it cleanly, I just plugged in a 3. I used PCS from programs with 1 or less errors in the short and no fall/3 or fewer smaller errors from the long. Obviously the usual common sense caveats... different judging panels, level of competition, etc. all effect scores ... blah, blah, blah Didn't do Jin since we only have 1 event for him and he splatted his way through. I think Uno is fairly set in his layout. Looks like Kolyada is testing which quads he'll use but the difference will be minimal. I'm guessing Nathan will still be making major adjustments to his - I can't imagine that he'd be happy with hoping that Hanyu and Uno make mistakes. And we all know that guessing what Yuzu will do is a crap shoot. Uno SP: 4f, 4t/3t, 3a* = BV 47.1 LP: 4s, 4f, 4t, 4t/2t, 3a*, 3a/1e/3f*, 3s/3t* = BV 91.43 Total BV = 138.53 Projected Scores SP: 106.89 LP: 207.59 Total: 314.48 one thing to note is that his 4s has been called UR at every event but Lombardia, where, I think, he stepped out of it. The score is based on a full 4s w/3 goe Kolyada SP: 4t/3t, 3lz, 3a* = BV 42.2 LP: 4s, 4t/3t, 3a/2t, 3a, 3lo*, 3l/1e/3s*, 3lz* Total BV: 122.05 Projected Scores SP: 99.54 LP: 191.28 Total: 290.83 Chen SP: 3a, 4f, 3lz/3t* = BV 43.11 LP: 3lo, 4lz, 3f/3t, 3a, 4t/3t*, 4t/2t/2lo*, 3lz* = BV 86.31 Total BV: 129.42 Projected Scores SP: 99.38 LP: 193.06 Total: 292.45 PCS is an average of SkAm scores. Hanyu SP: 4s, 3a, 4t/3t* = BV 46.37 LP: 4lo, 4s, 3lo, 4t, 4t/3a seq*, 3f/3t*, 3a/1e/3s* = BV 91.43 Total BV: 137.8 Projected Scores SP: 105.49 LP: 208.55 Total: 314.03 Obvious things to note is that the "projected" sp score is lower than his actual highest SP score even w/an iffy combo. I took the ave GOE of his 4lo from AC (1.71) but not Helsinki and I adjusted the GOE on the sequence to +3 since he stepped out of it (I'm actually surprised that it got ratified - I don't understand what the parameters for ratifying elements are these days). I averaged PCS from AC sp, Helsinki SP, and Helsinki LP. None of these programs were perfectly clean but I figure it's the best data we have right now.
  13. I think this was my worst event. Got the ladies medalist but all in the wrong order and only the winner of the men. Can't remember my dance and pairs podiums except that they were wrong. pretty sure I got the bonus questions wrong too
  14. Old Cat Lady

    [2018] GP NHK Trophy - Men SP & FS

    If Voronov makes it, I'm pretty sure it's him at 31 for singles (guessing there's some older pairs and dance finalists). Not sure, but I think he only doesn't make it if Kolyada is 1st and Keegan is 2nd/3rd with higher score at Rostelecom with Yuzu still in top 4. It's looking like a long shot for Jun. I think Kolyada and Keegan will both have to bomb for Jun to make it and even if they do bomb, they might still end up on the podium. I'm the opposite of most people. I liked it at first but as I watch it more often, I see more and more problems with it. I think the first time I saw it I was drawn in because I like his general style and polish but when I look at it more closely I find that there are very few meaningful transitions and his usual intense expression isn't always quite suited to the music. His jazz exhibition is ruining his skating for me - I don't think I would have noticed the expression problems if it weren't so jarring in that program. Today, the jump mistakes were less serious so that helps the overall impression but I was distracted by the spin issues, which I think most people don't care about as much - though I think the reason I'm more bothered by them is because I was previously so impressed by them. I'm hoping that when they're competing side, by side, by side, when they can compare directly, the judging will make more sense. For Shoma and Nate, they really shouldn't get greater than +3 on 95% of their jumps since they don't fulfill the "very" good height and distance bullet, amongst other quality issues. Nate's +4 on his tiny skidded 3axel that he stalks half the rink to take off for is more ridiculous to me than the 4.5 that Shoma got on his. But then again, Shoma's jumps looked small next to Sergei's and that didn't help the scoring so I'm not extremely optimistic.
  15. Old Cat Lady

    [2018] GP NHK Trophy - Men SP & FS

    I personally wouldn't give Shoma the body position bullet on any of his jumps. He lands so flat instead of upright. I always praise his spins but they weren't GOE 5 level today, especially that last one was traveling to Timbuktu
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