February 17, 20224 yr Kamila, Sasha and Anna are still kids. They have been suffering from abuse for years. It's understandable that Sasha lashed out. They are victims. All these girls are victims. And it's terrifying to think that the cycle may continue after this. Please, is there any chance that there will be an investigation, some kind of reformation?
February 17, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, shanshani said: Why is it a reach? Evgenia was Team Tut, and she deteriorated rapidly after leaving. Sounds to me like she might have been doped too. And if she had been doping to train more, then that means that pretty much all her results are tainted, because she would never have gotten to that level in the first place if it wasn't for doping. Who is the biggest victim of pro-Russian favoritism then? Who has lost to the Russians over and over again this past quad while also beating everyone else? Are you seriously trying to suggest to me that her injuries have nothing to do with chasing the Russians? Why are you trying to undermine how much her career has been damaged by Eteri's cheating? How many time has Evgenia competed against Rika? Twice, yes? Which she lost the first one and won in the second one. In both cases, Evgenia was overscored, albeit the second one was more horrible than the first, which was why Rika lost her medal at her first Worlds. Did she still get the boost despite not being under Eteri? Yes. Did she dope under Orser? We don't know. Pro-Russian favoritism is horrible to many. Rika is one of them, Ekaterina is one of them, and there are many more. She has gotten many of her injuries trying to chase the Russians (re: the quads), yes, but she might have gotten some of her injuries doing the elements she normally does, too.
February 17, 20224 yr Ok she has every right to express her emotion and angers but why doesn't she think her future reputation..? Even in Russia, that kind of attitude will be criticized..
February 17, 20224 yr Guys, do you think after she founded that she failed the drug tests she's actually doesn't want to compete anymore but her team forced her to compete in individual event? if i was kamila, i don't want to compete anymore after i found out positive doping. But you know the federation and her team maybe force her. I'm so sad to see the women event today. The worst ever.
February 17, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, Melodie said: How many time has Evgenia competed against Rika? Twice, yes? 4 times. ACI and Skate Canada 2019
February 17, 20224 yr 8 minutes ago, honeytea said: Ok she has every right to express her emotion and angers but why doesn't she think her future reputation..? Even in Russia, that kind of attitude will be criticized.. It only shows they are too young to compete at senior level events. They are under insanely high pressure followed by media attention and she's not able to understand the complexity of all of this. When the pressure was finally off all the emotions came and she could not control them. It was hard to watch, but I can't blame her, she's a broken kid in the middle of a broken system.
February 17, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, Paskud said: 4 times. ACI and Skate Canada 2019 True, which she won only once at Worlds. Overscorring in all four times, tho, Evgenia. I completely forgot about SCI 2019. Evgenia bombed the SP so badly I didn't even consider her having a chance to step on the podium, let alone competing against Rika and Alexandra.
February 17, 20224 yr 10 minutes ago, Melodie said: How many time has Evgenia competed against Rika? Twice, yes? Which she lost the first one and won in the second one. In both cases, Evgenia was overscored, albeit the second one was more horrible than the first, which was why Rika lost her medal at her first Worlds. Did she still get the boost despite not being under Eteri? Yes. Did she dope under Orser? We don't know. Pro-Russian favoritism is horrible to many. Rika is one of them, Ekaterina is one of them, and there are many more. She has gotten many of her injuries trying to chase the Russians (re: the quads), yes, but she might have gotten some of her injuries doing the elements she normally does, too. I'm not accusing Evgenia of doping under Orser, you've missed my point. My point was that the benefits of doping under Eteri carried over because it means she still had all that extra practice time under her belt, as well as reputation which we know is a huge part of scoring. Therefore even if she stopped taking the drugs under Orser, her results cannot be considered fair, as she's still reaping the benefits of doping earlier on. Okay? I never said Rika was the only victim of pro-Russian favoritism and Russian doping, just that she is the biggest victim because they robbed her of multiple important victories. Also, why the focus on only Evgenia? I mean Sasha, Anna, and Aliona too. If they're all doping, then Rika is the rightful winner of 2019 GPF, for example. So what if she could have been injured doing normal elements? Why does that mean it is therefore invalid to attribute injuries to training quads? Does the fact that Yuzuru could have sprained his ankle doing a 3F mean that we can't attribute his 2017-2018 sprain to training 4Lz?
February 17, 20224 yr 6 minutes ago, shanshani said: I think it's a bit dismissive just to call this teen drama. They're in an abusive training environment, and under a massive amount of stress to deliver. I didn't mean to be dismissive to the situation, I know the system they are in is abusive. But I think this "drama" shows that things need to change asap. Starting with a higher participation age and hopefully ending with Eteri no longer beeing allowed to be a trainer (one can dream)... 6 minutes ago, shanshani said: Anna is more polished than Trusova, but is she 3 quads more polished? Considering how people talk about how Nathan deserves to go above Yuzuru because Nathan does one more quad (while doing one less 3A, mind you), is it really surprising she thinks that doing 3 more quads than her competition should be enough to cinch it for her? If you were to look at the men's results and you were Sasha, you would come to that conclusion too. Why should it be different for her? It's not like Anna is even close to being Yuzuru. (I'm not, by the way, suggesting that this is the right way to think, but it is an understandable thing to think.) I get how she could think like that, but shouldn't she have seen during the last comps that her way might not work? But its probably like @yuzuangelsaid, she expected to be before Anna and behind Kami, so the gold would have been hers.
February 17, 20224 yr Also, I really hate that Eteri for a quite some time avoid any contact with non-russian media (exept of blind ass-lickers), while her "kids" to have face them and answer all the questions she cannot be asked because she doesn't want to take it on her arms, despite being the creator of the mess.
February 17, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, Yuaz12 said: Guys, do you think after she founded that she failed the drug tests she's actually doesn't want to compete anymore but her team forced her to compete in individual event? if i was kamila, i don't want to compete anymore after i found out positive doping. But you know the federation and her team maybe force her. I'm so sad to see the women event today. The worst ever. Could be, nobody knows. That child should not have been allowed to skate.
February 17, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, rubyblue said: Also, I really hate that Eteri for a quite some time avoid any contact with non-russian media (exept of blind ass-lickers), while her "kids" to have face them and answer all the questions she cannot be asked because she doesn't want to take it on her arms, despite being the creator of the mess. the actual people who should be forced to face the media never do. there should be a judges press con too, goodness knows they need to be subject to public questioning I hope journalists harass Eteri with questions
February 17, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, shanshani said: there should be a judges press con too, goodness knows they need to be subject to public questioning THIS, is an amazing idea!!!
February 17, 20224 yr The sad part is that since there is no individual medal to re-reward and team event is so irrelevant, it will be even easier to sweep whole scandal under the rug.
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