October 24, 20214 yr 8 時間前, rockstaryuzuさんが言いました: Blessed if I know! I'm just repeating what I heard. This is my vague memory, but I think I've heard that, in Olympic games where the ice rink is used for both figure skating and ice hockey, the schedule for ice making always an unavoidable issue for the organizing committee. (Sorry for misspelling) https://www.mhiair.co.jp/contents/15-column/20090402.html オリンピックをはじめとした競技用からレジャー施設まで、スケートリンクの氷床はその利用目的により、異なる状態をつくりあげる必要があります。 例えば、スピードにあふれ機敏な動きが要求されるアイスホッケーの場合は、ブレーキがかけやすくパットが正確に滑るよう、堅い氷をつくります。一方、スケートの場合はホッケーよりも柔らかい氷がよいとされますが、フィギュアスケートなら滑りがよく、トレース跡が残るように乾いた氷を、一般のスケート場では氷が削られにくいよう、湿った氷をつくります。 一般に、湿球温度（注）7℃、氷厚25mmのときの氷の中心温度は、ホッケーが−5℃、フィギュアが−3℃、大衆スケートで−4℃くらいが適温とされ、微妙な温度コントロールによって目的にあった滑りに適した氷がつくられます。 （注）湿度を測るとき用いる乾湿計のうち、布を巻いて湿らせたほうの温度。 From Olympics and other competitions to leisure facilities, ice rinks need to create different conditions depending on the purpose of use. For example, in the case of ice hockey, which requires speed and agility, the ice should be hard so that it is easy to brake and the pads can slide accurately. On the other hand, ice that is softer than for hockey is better for skating, but figure skating requires dry ice so that the skaters can skate smoothly and leave traces on it, and general skating rinks make the ice wet so that it is difficult to scrape off. In general, when the wet-bulb temperature (*) is 7℃ and the ice thickness is 25mm, the optimum temperature for the center of the ice is -5℃ for ice hockey, -3℃ for figure skating, and -4℃ for general skating rinks. The temperature of the ice is controlled delicately to make ice suitable for the purpose. (*) The temperature of the wet side (wrapped in cloth) of a moisture meter used to measure humidity. (Translated with DeepL)
October 24, 20214 yr A fancam. It's easy to see 1) How empty that program is. Also, it pretty much adopts his 2020/21 FP's formula when it comes to music composition. No wonder some people call this "Philip Glass version 2" 2) The ChSq is actually the best part of the program. It has ice coverage and performance. 3) His stiff knee. 4) Lack of speed and flow for the most part. The difference compared to this, hoh boy... On a side note, he is skating to Mozart. Shouldn't the costume be ...more?
October 24, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, rockstaryuzu said: I do not understand Jimmy Ma's look. Is he doing The King and I or something? Music is from Attack on Titan but the costume has little to nothing to do with that theme to be honest - it’s weird. But I guess the green cape that is iconic in the anime wouldn’t do either
October 24, 20214 yr Unexpected... It's only a first competition after all, but huh, Nathan really looked pissed off at the end of his free skate... Deserved win for Vincent. I see Nathan already skates next week at SC, he has no one to lose to there, not really, so we will see how he does without that added pressure.
October 24, 20214 yr On 10/23/2021 at 9:09 AM, Mary_kyo said: Nathan’s PCS alone shows how it is easy to abuse scoring to push certain skaters ahead of others. That was such an empty program. He will probably show his 6 quads layout for free. Anyway, to me, Jimmy was the star of the night. I just hope Shun is okay, it was heartbreaking to watch. I only had time to watch the replay of men's SP now. Nathan seriously got PCS of over 44 for that performance? I'd say that was no more than a 37, 38. Even if he had skated his SP perfectly clean, 44 would've been too much. His performance was about as bland as his outfit. I dare not call it a costume.
October 24, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, SuzyQ said: This is my vague memory, but I think I've heard that, in Olympic games where the ice rink is used for both figure skating and ice hockey, the schedule for ice making always an avoidable issue for the organizing committee. https://www.mhiair.co.jp/contents/15-column/20090402.html オリンピックをはじめとした競技用からレジャー施設まで、スケートリンクの氷床はその利用目的により、異なる状態をつくりあげる必要があります。 例えば、スピードにあふれ機敏な動きが要求されるアイスホッケーの場合は、ブレーキがかけやすくパットが正確に滑るよう、堅い氷をつくります。一方、スケートの場合はホッケーよりも柔らかい氷がよいとされますが、フィギュアスケートなら滑りがよく、トレース跡が残るように乾いた氷を、一般のスケート場では氷が削られにくいよう、湿った氷をつくります。 一般に、湿球温度（注）7℃、氷厚25mmのときの氷の中心温度は、ホッケーが−5℃、フィギュアが−3℃、大衆スケートで−4℃くらいが適温とされ、微妙な温度コントロールによって目的にあった滑りに適した氷がつくられます。 （注）湿度を測るとき用いる乾湿計のうち、布を巻いて湿らせたほうの温度。 From Olympics and other competitions to leisure facilities, ice rinks need to create different conditions depending on the purpose of use. For example, in the case of ice hockey, which requires speed and agility, the ice should be hard so that it is easy to brake and the pads can slide accurately. On the other hand, ice that is softer than for hockey is better for skating, but figure skating requires dry ice so that the skaters can skate smoothly and leave traces on it, and general skating rinks make the ice wet so that it is difficult to scrape off. In general, when the wet-bulb temperature (*) is 7℃ and the ice thickness is 25mm, the optimum temperature for the center of the ice is -5℃ for ice hockey, -3℃ for figure skating, and -4℃ for general skating rinks. The temperature of the ice is controlled delicately to make ice suitable for the purpose. (*) The temperature of the wet side (wrapped in cloth) of a moisture meter used to measure humidity. (Translated with DeepL) Thanks for looking that up. I have to say that I thought Kevin's issues yesterday were definitely at least partially due to ice conditions. It's not like him to trip over his own feet, even injured.
October 24, 20214 yr I don’t want to beat a dead horse but Nemesis always reminds of Julian Yee and how he was unfairly robbed in 2018. The way it’s so empty and AGAIN being unfairly overscored makes me uncomfortable. Well, everything in Skate Canada is in favor of Nathan. No competitors. Just, it will be hilarious to watch him and Jason skating their programs back to back.
October 24, 20214 yr Re: Ice, I talked to one of the skaters who said that the ice was new and made really fast. Ideally when you make ice you want to freeze as many extremely thin sheets of water on top as you can so it’s not like an ice cube, but they didn’t do that as much as they should have here. So the ice especially at the start of competition was very bad (you could see it in practices). It got better as time went on because every ice cut was adding those tiny little layers. Hence: extremely bad men’s SP, getting better after that.
October 24, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Mary_kyo said: I don’t want to beat a dead horse but Nemesis always reminds of Julian Yee and how he was unfairly robbed in 2018. The way it’s so empty and AGAIN being unfairly overscored makes me uncomfortable. Well, everything in Skate Canada is in favor of Nathan. No competitors. Just, it will be hilarious to watch him and Jason skating their programs back to back. I am looking forward to Romsky taking the medal at SCI. Would be great if he can get to the stage where he can challenge NC.
October 24, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Umebachi said: I am looking forward to Romsky taking the medal at SCI. Would be great if he can get to the stage where he can challenge NC. That would be too, too sweet! ETA: My ideal podium: 1. Jason 2. Romsky 3. Nathan That would almost certainly put NC out of the GPF.
October 24, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, Melodie said: From his interview it doesn't seem he is too fond of the 4Lo, so who knows if it will be a 6 quad program moving forward. Can he do 6 quads without the loop? My question is rather: can he do 5 quads without a Lutz? His latest 4Lz statistics of 2021 is the following: Competition SP FS US Nats okay -4 GOE Worlds fall okay WTT not attempted not attempted Skate America fall pop to double So total success rate of his 4Lz in 2021 if we count out WTT: 2/6 = 33% This is not exactly a reason to celebrate and probably the main reason why he pushes for the 4Lo now. Without a stable 4Lz he will have a problem. A big one.
October 24, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, Henni147 said: My question is rather: can he do 5 quads without a Lutz? His latest 4Lz statistics of 2021 is the following: Competition SP FS US Nats okay -4 GOE Worlds fall okay WTT not attempted not attempted Skate America fall pop to double So total success rate of his 4Lz in 2021 if we count out WTT: 2/6 = 33% This is not exactly a reason to celebrate and probably the main reason why he pushes for the 4Lo now. Without a stable 4Lz he will have a problem. A big one. I didn't realize his success rate with 4Lz was so low recently. But anyway, even with that, he would still opt for the lutz and not loop. We will see tho.
October 24, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Melodie said: I didn't realize his success rate with 4Lz was so low recently. Yeah, I just realized it now after the SP, too. No one's talking about it, because he had some decent skates at Worlds and WTT. But the issues are there and with every competition the pressure grows to land a clean Lutz again.
October 24, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, rockstaryuzu said: All I can say is, Shoma has now beaten both Yuzu and Nathan, not many have that under their belt. Despite all our gloom and doom predictions all summer long, it does look like the Olympic win is not a foregone conclusion after all, folks. And suddenly I'm interested in the Olympics again. The Olympic season is always special and unpredictable. That's why it's so exciting. I already said before that Nathan's simple "just do one jump after another with nothing in between and finish with some fast music and flashy moves at the end" formula would not work out forever. He has been solely dependent on his jumps (and on very, very generous judging). If his jumps don't work for whatever reason, there's hardly anything left anymore. It's already been the same old, same old with him since before the last Olympics. I think he hasn't improved at all in regards to his skating skills, performance abilities, expressions, musicality etc. His spins and energy levels seem to actually have gotten worse. That said, every time I watch a competition without Yuzu, I have to think of what my mom once said. She only watches figure skating when Yuzu is competing because according to her, "After you've ever watched Yuzu skate, you just simply cannot watch anyone else skate anymore." Yuzu is the only one whose performances I watch over and over and over again just for the sheer beauty and excellence in every way. Only he can leave such an impact on people that they will always remember him.
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