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  1. Belinda truly seems to be our pillar of reliability. She liked this awesome fan analysis: Her commentary to Rondo is one of the things I'm looking forward to the most in Beijing. Now even more than before
  2. Well, honestly. In this event we had more URed jumps than rotated ones. And then we haven't even talked about excessive pre-rotation. I swear, in the Yuna/Mao/Kostner era we counted more rotations in the air than we do now, despite the so-called quads and 3As.
  3. Modern Hungarian is actually one of the most patchwork languages in the world, influenced by ancient Mongolian and Finnish, Turkish (when Hungary was part of the Ottoman Empire), German (from the time of Austria-Hungary), Russian (when Hungary was under influence of the Soviet Union) and former Yugoslav languages (when parts of Serbia and Croatia belonged to Hungary). There are in fact some words in Hungarian and Finnish that have the same origin like "jää" and "jég" which means ice in English.
  4. The q rule was introduced mid-cycle before the 20/21 season if I remember correctly. Here is a full list of Yuzu's jumps that were marked as UR in this cycle. "Attempted jumps" counts every jump separately within a combo/sequence: URs 18/19 URs in 19/20 URs in 20/21 URs in 21/22 Competitions: 4 Attempted jumps: 60 UR rate: 8.3% FinGP 2018: 4Lo< 4T< COR 2018: 4T+1Eu<<+3S 3A< (fall) WC 2019: 4S< Competitions: 6 Attempted jumps: 90 UR rate: 11.1% ACI 2019: 4S< 4T< 4T<+1Eu+3S 3A+3T< NHK 2019: 4T+3T< GPF 2019: 4T+1Eu+3F< JNats 2019: 4T+1Eu+3F< 3A+3T< 3A< (fall) 4CC 2020: 4T< (fall) Competitions: 3 Attempted jumps: 45 UR rate: 2.2% WC 2021: 4S q Competitions: 1 Attempted jumps: 15 UR rate: 6.7% JNats 2021: 4A<< Footnote: I just realized that I overlooked one q at Worlds 2021 in Yuzu's FS. Sorry for that.
  5. To be fair: I have a very soft spot for Francesco Friedrich. He's the most successful bobsleigh rider in history and this season he became the first ever to win 11 world titles and 65 world cup races in his career. What he has achieved, deserves highest appreciation. Also, Ryoyu Kobayashi was just one win away to become the first ever ski jumper in history to win the 4 Hills Grand Slam twice, which is close to a miracle. Only Sven Hannavald (2001/02), Kamil Stoch (2017/18) and Ryoyu (2018/19) managed to win the Grand Slam once in 70 editions of the tournament. He's a phenomenal jumper and a dream to watch when he's on. It's a shame that the tough competition schedule paid its toll on him on the final day, but he still managed to win the combined total with a huge margin of 24 points. I will definitely root for both of them to do well in Beijing
  6. Yes, I root for him to succeed too. But very good news for us: Yuzu's only jump that got marked as UR in the last two seasons was this 4A attempt. Nothing else. He did not even get a q anywhere. Footnote: that was actually my biggest worry after the introduction of the q rule. That they play tricks on him with that q and pull his GOE down. But thankfully, it didn't happen.
  7. Now that you mentioned pops, I decided to take a look: Serious pops: ACI 2018: 2T ---> 1.35 points COR 2018: 1A ---> 1.01 points WC 2019: 2S* ---> 0 points NHK 2019: 2T ---> 1.42 points GPF 2019: 1A ---> 1.27 points JNats 2019: 2Lz ---> 1.59 points WTT 2021: 1S ---> 0.31 points Minor pops: GPF 2019: 4T+2T ---> +1.90 GOE WTT 2021: 4T+2T ---> +3.04 GOE Missed combos: GPF 2019: 4T+COMBO ---> -4.75 GOE WC 2021: 3A+REP ---> -1.94 GOE Yes. Yuzu had more pops and missed combos than falls this cycle. But interestingly only one serious pop since 2020 and only two underrotated jumps: a 4T in his free at 4CC and the 4A attempt at JNats. Nothing else. All other 48 jumps were fully rotated with no fall. What is especially interesting: none of the falls happened against Nathan, while the serious pops and missed combos mostly occurred in competitions, where he competed, too. Another important statistics that I calculated: Yuzu has attempted 124 jumps with more than 3.5 rotations in this Olympic cycle and had 4 falls, which results in a fall rate on "big jumps" of 3.2%. In the last two seasons he has attempted 36 jumps with at least 3.5 revolutions and never fell. Of these 124 jumps he popped 6 (that 2Lz was a popped 3Lz) ---> rate: 4.8%
  8. I just realized: For reference: Nathan had 12 falls since the system change (11 on jumps and one in the ChSq), 5 of them in the last two seasons. Yuzu had a total of four falls in this cycle and not a single one in 20/21 and 21/22, but it also needs to be noted that he only had four competitions in the last two seasons. It's a remarkable feat nonetheless. He can be very proud of that.
  9. Yes, Yuzu hinted himself that for him it's worth sacrificing those 1-2 points in BV if he can create a program with the most complex transitions and exquisite choreography instead where the jumps perfectly match the music and melt seamlessly into the choreography. And in a judging system that is anywhere near fair, he should close that point gap 5x with his other qualities. The interesting thing about LGC was that his 4Lo was more consistent than the 4S+3T combo. For whatever reason that combination refused to work in 5 of 7 performances and cost him many points. It was only clean at NHK and GPF - the only two events where LGC scored above 100. I always wondered why he didn't go back to the much more consistent 4T+3T like he did at SOI last year. It matches the music rhythm much better and the base value was only 0.2 points lower than of the 4S+3T. It felt like he wanted to prove himself with all might that he's capable of combos with other quads than 4T, but that didn't work out in the SP. I'm glad that he stopped pushing for more valuable quads in the short. He has been so rocksolid in that competition segment ever since. Very interesting statistics btw: Let's hope that Yuzu can deliver a squeaky clean Rondo in Beijing. That program deserves a great performance on the biggest stage
  10. To bring a little positivity to this general chat Yuzu's three official YT videos from JNats are only 300K views away from hitting 5 million in a span of two weeks: Fuji SP: 1.60 M FNN SP: 1.34 M Fuji FS: 1.76 M Total: 4.70 M And we haven't even added his videos on Yahoo.jp yet.
  11. Yes to the first one. My personal opinion about these 15% is: The musical phrasing and construction of the program is an integral part of the choreography. If we don't judge that, we can skip the use of music altogether and just let the skaters jump and spin and do compulsory figures again. The connection with the music is an integral part of figure skating in its current form that sets it apart from so many other sports and hence - for me - this is the most exciting part of this sport. The concept, choreography and performance is what turns figure skating into theatre, opera, musical or concert. Yuzu's biggest strengths in this sport are: 1. very strong and universal technical foundation with high quality elements and skating skills 2. advanced program concepts and choreographies with excellent musical phrasing 3. outstanding performance skills, musical understanding and versatility in style If we skipped the judging of these 15%, two of these three strengths would not be rewarded at all. The goal must not be to remove unquantifiable aspects from the rulebook altogether, but develop a judging system where the judges are forced to score these aspects correctly. Unlike many people's opinion, these aspects CAN be judged by objective criteria. But it must be done with absolute precision and attention to detail, which requires high expertise and lots of preparation work. Hence, FS judging should be a well-paid job with proper training, seminars, public reports and round table discussions.
  12. Yes, exactly. 3, 4 and 5 can be checked with digital tools. So the CO component is measurable to almost 50%. Skating skills are measurable to 100%, jumps and spins to 95% (only their matching with the musical phrasing is not quantifiable). The number, difficulty and quality of transitions can be measured (only the matching of the musical phrasing not). So ca. 80% can be done with machines. In interpretation, the matching of tempo, rhythm and volume/intensity can be measured, to some extent even melody. So ca. 75-80% (Timbre, tonality and vocals/ lyrics is difficult without human judging). And performance is impossible to quantify. Like you said: the human judges need to be experts for music theory and all types of performing arts (dancing, singing, acting, playing instruments etc). And they need to have a broad knowledge about all types of music pieces, genres and dance styles. That should be their no. 1 job. The rest could be done by AI and other digital tools. Of course, they should have extended knowledge about skating, jumping and spinning as well to judge the skaters' limits, i.e. what can be realized on ice and what not. PS: I wouldn't be too worried about bias if the judges' only job was to evaluate the performance, musical phrasing and logical construction of the program. That makes up less than 15% of the total score and if there's a requirement of a very precise breakdown/ reasoning, they can't do very much. Keep in mind: in the current system, the judges decide about 80-90% of the final score. They can even manipulate the base value of the technical elements like the full invalidation of Yuzu's sit spin at Nationals last year.
  13. This is tricky, because TR is not just about the number of transitions, but rather the difficulty and quality of the transitions (skating skills) and their matching with the music (composition/ musical phrasing). You can have fewer transitions in a program that are all done with the highest quality of execution like one spiral that lasts 7-10 seconds and is executed on clean deep edges with excellent body position and matching the musical structure. That should get a higher TR score than 20 random steps and turns, that might be difficult but are executed with sloppy quality and no connection with the music. EDIT My suggestion is to change the current judging scale for program components to a cumulative system like the TES scoring, with separate scores for all aspects. Example: Instead of a range from 0.25 to 10.00 for composition (CO), the judges give scores from 0-3 for global concept and leitmotif of the program (if there is any) structure of the program (and music edit) ice coverage and logic of the skating pattern number of rinksides addressed with the skating (0 points if the skater only performs to the judges' side, and full 3 points for a performance to all four rinksides) distribution and placement of the elements on the ice surface (if all jumps are executed in the same or the judges' dead corner, 0 points) matching of the elements with the musical phrasing (if a spin starts in the middle of the chorus and ends halfway during a verse or the bridge, that's poor phrasing) matching of the transitions with the musical phrasing 7x3 points makes a max. of 21 points for composition (CO) and ca. 100 points for all components in total. In the SP you can factor this score with 0.5, so 10.5 points for composition and ca. 50 points for all 5 program components. Of course, such detailed PCS scoring is only possible with a split panel. If AI scoring was fully utilized for the scoring of jumps, spins, steps, ice coverage and musical interpretation (rhythm and volume), we would only need 3-4 judges in total who take a look at the performance and composition/ logical construction of the program and that's it.
  14. I'm always like ??? that the judges are only willing to give 10s for PE, CO and IN, while completely holding back with SS and especially TR. If I take a look at the criteria and requirements for the different program components, CO should be BY FAR the lowest score for 95% of all programs out there. For Rondo, I would have given SS 9.75 (exit from the 4T+3T combo and the twizzle after the 3A could have more control) TR 10.00 (the total of 6 crossovers itself deserves a perfect 10.00 by default) PE 9.75 (overall sophistication and intellectual involvement improvable) CO 9.50 (musical phrasing in 1st half and ice coverage globally improvable) IN 9.75 (rhythm and tempo between 4S and 4T+3T, and during the camel spin improvable) Like Yuzu himself said, the program could still be a bit more sophisticated and polished overall, which is totally understandable as it was the very first outing in competition. It makes me very sad to see all these translators leave, too. It's just natural that not all translations are 100% accurate, but a) we're not paid professionals but amateur volunteers and b) the more different translations we have, the better will be the global understanding of the original Japanese source. We should be grateful to the work of every single translator out there. Also: If the so-called "professionals" in western media were half as accurate as our volunteer fan-translators, the world would be a better place. It's mainly them who put words into Yuzu's mouth that he never said, and many translations in official news articles are truly harmful like the recent one: "I'm the only one who has the right to win." Translations like this cause unnecessary tension, provocation and put Yuzu in a bad light, making him look totally arrogant, which he isn't at all. Footnote: Whatever happens, I will definitely continue as a Wiki author and try my best to keep his pages updated after the Olympics, too
  15. It's 00:03 here in Germany right now, so happy new year everyone! @Umebachi Wish the "Tiger of Echigo" a happy and successful new year too! May all the cat energy support Yuzu this year
  16. This is a bit OT, but it's happening everyone. Dimash contributed to a song for the Winter Olympics! So it really might happen that China's two almost-adoped children - Dimash and Yuzu - will finally meet in Beijing By the way: Zhenya is in the video, too.
  17. That's exactly the reason, why I love the SP like 100x more than the FS, especially this season (minus Ten to Chi to, because that's an insane unmatched masterpiece). In the SP it's all about who can fill the 3 minutes best with actual choreography. With only 3 jumping passes and most skaters having 2 quads and a 3A, the technical content/difficulty is almost the same for everyone. So it comes down to the highest quality of execution. That's why Yuzu is the god of SPs, having set the 6 highest SP scores in history across all judging systems. (And it should be the 10 highest at least tbh). Quick update: I added Yuzu's two brand new +1 Million view videos to our list here on the Planet: I also added the Fuji version of Rondo already. It has 963K views at the moment and I expect it to go above 1M today, as it is the only official video of Rondo that is not geo-restricted.
  18. To me Yuzu's jacket looks like a fusion of a MJ and Freddie tribute plus Starwars
  19. Well, with the 4Lz it was more like a public field study, but you're right about the other two.
  20. I don't want him to do it here either, but I guess that we have to live with this madness from now on. I mean... He jumped 4Lz and 4T+3A at FaOI... Also 4Lo+3A in Shanghai 2015... all with dimmed gala lighting
  21. Imagine if he skates all full bloody 4 minutes to Blinding Lights with new choreo - trademark Yuzuru Hanyu - and 4A
  22. Honestly, if Yuzu lands the 4A and skates clean, it would be a 5x bigger scandal to make Nate win than what they did with Sotnikova in Sochi. Yuzu's practice session was outsold today. PRACTICE. In Saitama Super Arena, not some small venue. His hashtag has freaking +900 Million followers on TikTok. He dominates all headlines. Countries like Brazil and Turkey will broadcast the Olympics live for the first time because of him. If the judges screw him, they will be roasted forever.
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