General Yuzuru Chat

[rockstaryuzu]

8 minutes ago, Crow said:

I would love to see some skaters do Yuzu's programs lol I wont name any names 

Conversely, I would love to see Yuzu do Junliet. For the maximum chaos. Or one of Javi's programs. or Nam's 'Run Away' ex (imagine Yuzu in red and black plaid flannel! :D) Or, heck, even one of those everlasting Russian male toy soldier programs that are a dime a dozen... 

 

My brain is running away with me now, but how about Yuzu doing a one-man remake of Tessa & Scott's Moulin Rouge? I really think he could do it and make it awesome. 

 

 

Also, general question that has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about now:

 

What would you say is Yuzu's most iconic and instantly recognizable pose from his programs? Something that, even if he were wearing a shapeless paper bag and you saw it from the back a hundred feet away, you'd KNOW it was him? 

 

 

[Sombreuil]

None of the top tier use very interesting music tbh.  He could rework Matticks pumpkin king or Ivett Toths heavy metal programme, or Kazukis Hardest button to button 

[liv]

26 minutes ago, rockstaryuzu said:

 

 

What would you say is Yuzu's most iconic and instantly recognizable pose from his programs? Something that, even if he were wearing a shapeless paper bag and you saw it from the back a hundred feet away, you'd KNOW it was him? 

 

 

 

Finishing post of PW. Raised arm, finger pointing up... If it's dark, no costume, and you only see the shape/position of the body and no face? Yeah, prob PW.

[Figure_Frenzy]

2 hours ago, Flutterby said:

I would think of Chopin and Seimei as Yuzu performing his own greatest hits whereas Otonal and Origin give more of a tribute band or wedding singer. I mean a really kick a** cover band but still.

 

I think this is also partly why I had a hard time warming up to Otoñal+Origin... I mean I am not opposed to the concept of paying tribute in itself, it's just that... ...well at this point I'll sound like a broken record about the music of Otoñal and Art on Ice/Magic Stradivarius so I am not going to repeat myself...  

[FlyingCamel]

7 minutes ago, rockstaryuzu said:

Also, general question that has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about now:

 

What would you say is Yuzu's most iconic and instantly recognizable pose from his programs? Something that, even if he were wearing a shapeless paper bag and you saw it from the back a hundred feet away, you'd KNOW it was him? 

 

 

Haha there are many but I would have to say the seimei starting pose!! And if you guys ever heard of stick figure skating, he/she manages to draw stick figures that look like Yuzu somehow lol

 

[Crow]

10 minutes ago, rockstaryuzu said:

Conversely, I would love to see Yuzu do Junliet. For the maximum chaos. Or one of Javi's programs. or Nam's 'Run Away' ex (imagine Yuzu in red and black plaid flannel! :D) Or, heck, even one of those everlasting Russian male toy soldier programs that are a dime a dozen... 

 

My brain is running away with me now, but how about Yuzu doing a one-man remake of Tessa & Scott's Moulin Rouge? I really think he could do it and make it awesome. 

 

Well to carry on the conversation I would have him skate Jason's "Love is a bitch"  

[Sombreuil]

Not saying I could recognise it from any angle but my favourite finish of all time  has to be murderface Chopin - the contrast between the serenity of the face during the programme and of the music and that expression - loved it.

[Umebachi]

20 minutes ago, rockstaryuzu said:

I have to say I agree here. I don't have a problem with Yuzu doing tribute programs, because that's the kind of guy he is - he acknowledges the people who've been influential on his skating, and he honours them. But based on various tidbits Yuzu has dropped over the years in interviews, I think that he has massive ambitions (way beyond just doing 4A) for what he wants to be able to do on the ice, which results in him creating really demanding programs for himself. And then, those programs don't always work out as he would like. I think this was the case for Origin. 

 

This is why I always wonder how it would be if, just once, there was a competition where all the skaters swapped programs (with some lead time to learn them, obvs.). Personally, I think such a thing would be a cakewalk for Yuzu and a heroic struggle for everyone else. Even if they watered down Yuzu's tech. 

 

 

 

In equestrian show jumping, they have occasionally had a special jump-off after the regular competition with riders swapping horses.  This would be similar to skaters swapping their choreo!   The last such big show jump event that I watched took place in the Emirates, iirc, and the winner was the same little Canadian horse who had won in the main competiton.  I have to find the link somewhere - but it was an iconic performance - the little horse could jump beautifully no matter who was on his back!!  I think the rider was a youngSaudi rider - who had long legs and the little horse looked like a pony under him, lol, but he also had great technique.  It was an incredibly exciting event and the feedback from the audience was very positive.  Haven't kept up with show jumping (too busy watching figure skating and dressage), so I don't know if they did more.  But it takes a lot of courage for the riders to let others mount their precious horses.  Obviously, only the top performers with high level of skills would be allowed to do the swap.   

I would be fascinated to watch skaters swap choreo - and I expect very few would be able to skate through Yuzu's step sequences and jumps with transitions.   I recall Shizuka doing the H&L step sequence in one of the Asahi TV shows - to demonstrate its complexity and the difficulty in maintaining the flow and expression throughout the segment.  She did a superb job - being a OGM herself, but it really took all her concentration and skills to make that short segment work.  That kind of demonstration should be much more interesting to watch than the idiotic Award show they are going to do after the Worlds!

 

 

 

 

[Umebachi]

12 minutes ago, Crow said:

Well to carry on the conversation I would have him skate Jason's "Love is a bitch"  

 

It doesn't have to be a male skater.  How about one of Oksana Bayul's program?  He could carry it off with his lines and extensions - which are showing remarkable improvements this seaons.   

[Paskud]

4 minutes ago, Umebachi said:

It doesn't have to be a male skater.

Yuna's Danse Macabre *___*

[ZuCritter]

For me, what unites all of Yuzu's most successful programs -- RJ1, PW, Chopin, LGC, Seimei, Otonal -- is joy. Even H&L, as delicate as it is, has those flashes of wonderment/joy. As different as the mood of his iconic programs is, at some point in each of them he gets to cut loose and fling himself into the choreography with what feels like abandon. And he carries us with him. It's exhilarating. I would even say transcendent. 

 

Origin, for all its complexity and its grace notes, doesn't give him that opportunity. It's like a tightly coiled spring from start to finish, with no release. For that reason, I think it's emotionally exhausting as well as physically exhausting. It always felt like something Yuzu was battling from the outside rather than expressing from the inside. I'm glad he's stepped away from the battle, at least for 4CC. 

 

[Paskud]

4 minutes ago, ZuCritter said:

For me, what unites all of Yuzu's most successful programs -- RJ1, PW, Chopin, LGC, Seimei, Otonal -- is joy. Even H&L, as delicate as it is, has those flashes of wonderment/joy. As different as the mood of his iconic programs is, at some point in each of them he gets to cut loose and fling himself into the choreography with what feels like abandon. And he carries us with him. It's exhilarating. I would even say transcendent. 

 

Origin, for all its complexity and its grace notes, doesn't give him that opportunity. It's like a tightly coiled spring from start to finish, with no release. For that reason, I think it's emotionally exhausting as well as physically exhausting. It always felt like something Yuzu was battling from the outside rather than expressing from the inside. I'm glad he's stepped away from the battle, at least for 4CC. 

 

POTO so underrated...

[Newprogramsplease]

I just signed up hearing he is repeating his programs from last last season. I hope the judges don't underscore him for repeating his old programs on the pcs. They shouldn't but I'm afraid they will.

[Melodie]

1 hour ago, Umebachi said:

 

In equestrian show jumping, they have occasionally had a special jump-off after the regular competition with riders swapping horses.  This would be similar to skaters swapping their choreo!   The last such big show jump event that I watched took place in the Emirates, iirc, and the winner was the same little Canadian horse who had won in the main competiton.  I have to find the link somewhere - but it was an iconic performance - the little horse could jump beautifully no matter who was on his back!!  I think the rider was a youngSaudi rider - who had long legs and the little horse looked like a pony under him, lol, but he also had great technique.  It was an incredibly exciting event and the feedback from the audience was very positive.  Haven't kept up with show jumping (too busy watching figure skating and dressage), so I don't know if they did more.  But it takes a lot of courage for the riders to let others mount their precious horses.  Obviously, only the top performers with high level of skills would be allowed to do the swap.   

I would be fascinated to watch skaters swap choreo - and I expect very few would be able to skate through Yuzu's step sequences and jumps with transitions.   I recall Shizuka doing the H&L step sequence in one of the Asahi TV shows - to demonstrate its complexity and the difficulty in maintaining the flow and expression throughout the segment.  She did a superb job - being a OGM herself, but it really took all her concentration and skills to make that short segment work.  That kind of demonstration should be much more interesting to watch than the idiotic Award show they are going to do after the Worlds!

 

 

 

 

Do you know if we can find footage of that show? 

[Umebachi]

39 minutes ago, Melodie said:

Do you know if we can find footage of that show? 

 

Found the video of Hickstead, the famous jumper of Eric Lamaze, doing four clear rounds with four different riders.  It was from WEG 2010, how time flies!  Since this is off topic, I have put it under spoiler.   To make this a bit more topic relevant: Hickstead was like the Hanyu of show jumping - he had wings under his feet.

FEI (the ISU of equestrian sports) has now gotten rid of the final four rider rotation - it was probably becoming too risky with these expensive horses.  If you think ISU creates controversies, it's even worse with FEI - especially because horses can't speak up about mental and physical abuses like the human athletes can (well, maybe not, given all the recent revelations...)   Sadly, human behaviour is predictably the same across all sports categories.   I am following Figure Skating and Dressage now, can't handle more than this, emotionally.  

 

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