Old Cat Lady

catching up with all 11 pages. sorry, didn't quote everyone. but I agree with the people who say it shouldn't be something too material. I'm pretty low income and even I don't usually want physical gifts because I can simply buy exactly what I want within reason and know what I like better than anyone else. And he gets gifts all the time while only living in an apartment - how much stuff can he keep? I think a scrap book type thing + donations to causes he cares about is best. 1 or two pages will be a graph or maybe just a big map showing locations of fans involved in the project. Pictures of everyone's locations might be unrealistic (or in my case, too boring to bother looking at) as it would take over the whole book. A couple pages will list the charities that have been impacted because of the way he has inspired everyone. If possible, have quotes and figures from people involved in the organizations. We could have another page showing his impact on the economy. I like the idea of including quotes about "things I would never have done if it weren't for Yuzu". He's said in the past how meaningful it was to him to know that people have taken a greater interest in Japanese culture because of him. We should have a compilation of quotes from public figures as well. I doubt he has time to read even a tiny fraction of everything said about him. I know he loves his fans but I imagine that it's even more special to hear all this praise from his idols and peers. It would be great to have a section devoted to quotes by young skaters that have been inspired by him. finally, this has been something I've been meaning to do for a while but haven't gotten around to, but I'd like to make a calendar commemorating either significant events in his life or in the life of someone who has been helped as a result of his efforts. The overall theme of the scrapbook would basically be how he has managed to change the world. I know this is an enormous project so perhaps this could be a next year cheer project but something I'd like to do

I don't get why they always gift a watch for these things. how many watches does anyone need? I wonder what Yuzuru does with all of his

What's lower than a complete numpty? because it seems like there are a lot of people out there who are incapable of counting transitions... because sexy ballet arms while gliding on two feet is considered a transition now. You're a lot nicer than me when it comes to Jason's program as well. [Admin edit: not constructive criticism]

I get that impression too just based on past patterns. Normally, when he talks about skaters, he talks about some aspect of their skating that he admires. However, when asked about Nathan, Yuzu merely said that his Nationals skate was "impressive from a numbers perspective". I think Yuzu respects Nathan as a competitor but doesn't actually like his skating. I can't recall him saying anything positive about Nathan's actual skating. Even when it comes to jumping, he references Boyang. I noticed that immediately as well. Was actually about to start a thread about strategy for next year and point out that it was literally those 2 mistakes that cost him this title. He definitely could have won against clean Nathan, inflated scores and all, if he just landed those 2 elements, and that's with most of his other elements not being to his usual quality either. That big gap is deceiving; people can't seem to grasp how much the new system crucifies you for any mistake, especially since it is a compounded punishment with pcs penalties built in (that realistically only hurt 3 or 4 skaters ) That being said, I think airi is right. While a clean Hanyu could have won, even though his other elements were lower quality than usual, the judges have unfairly forced the GOE/PCS gap to close and if Yuzu wants to continue competing, he needs to move forward with that in mind, and strategize around it.

lol, thanks. I wanted to get more from the "experts" but couldn't find much. Phil and Jackie did pretty well but they have the distinct advantages of seeing the skaters in person at the events and not fearing the jinx - most of us didn't get involved in the men's predictions. TSL wasn't ballsy enough to make actual placement predictions - I guess they're afraid to now since they've been so off so many times. I recently watched their 2014 worlds recap where they're mocking Aljona Savchenko for saying she wants to try to win Olympics in 2018 I think next year I'm going to keep the points to only the medalists if I'm going to involve the public figures, omit the men's field to keep the PH members on an even playing field, and have more bonus questions as they were the most popular part of the game. I'm open to suggestions. Maybe I'll try the google form that Joey uses for the Grand Prix but not sure what the advantage of that over just posting on the forum is. I'd like to do a pre-season prediction game as well but people seem to be more reluctant to make predictions about seasons and have to guess things so far in advance.

5. Chaplin

Here’s the rest of the results. Sorry for the delay. I listed in order of those who got the most points based on top 5 predictions but I’ll do a total for just top 3 as well LADIES Ladylou - 8/6 Jackie Wong - 7/6 River - 6/2 Old Cat Lady - 4/2 Yuzuangel - 3/3 Kaeryth - 2/1 Anski - NA/1 Sllycinnamon - NA/1 Louitunes - NA/1 Phil Hersh - NA/2 DANCE Old Cat Lady - 10/3 (how tha F did I do so well in dance of all disciplines? Wild guessing works I guess) Ladylou - 7/5 River - 6/4 Kaeryth - 5/4 Jackie Wong - 5/4 Sallycinnamon - NA/3 Louitunes - NA/3 Phil Hersh - NA/7 MEN - lot of abstentions due to jinx factor. Personally, everyone except Nathan in my original top 6 did worse (and some cases a LOT worse) than I predicted. I deleted my predictions before the men’s SP but clearly, the jinx starts as soon as the event starts so I was too late. In the future, as long as Yuzu is around, I’m definitely omitting this category for major events. Poor Shoma. Louitunes was the only one who didn’t expect him in the top 3. I can’t imagine how crushed he was to place off the podium for the first time in 3 years at worlds in his home country after so much expectation. Pretty sure 99.9% of the skating world was sure he’d medal. Jackie Wong - 5/3 River - 4/3 Ladylou - 4/3 Anski - na/3 Sallycinnamon - Na/3 Phil Hersh- NA/3 Louitunes - NA/2 OVERALL MEDAL PREDICTIONS Top 5 picks 1. LadyLou - 27 2. Jackie Wong - 25 3. River - 20 4. Old Cat Lady - 20 5. Kaeryth - 14 Top 3 picks 1. LadyLou - 18 2. Jackie Wong - 17 3. Phil Hersh - 14 4. River - 12 5. Sallycinnamon - 11 6. Old Cat Lady - 10 7. Kaeryth - 8 7. Louitunes - 8 9. Anski - 4 BONUS - ANSWER KEY - original question had to be answered exactly in order to get points. Some abstained for jinx and looked like you were picking Yuzu but unfortunately, can’t give credit without specifications. Some of you elaborated on your answer incorrectly, but as long as the original question was answered correctly, you got credit. Text in parenthesis wasn’t necessary to get credit. Russia (5) No 3 (men, dance, pairs) Chen Dance, Ladies, Pairs, Men (from that perspective, an amazing event - I think no one got this right) Yes (Papadakis/Cizeron) - CuLi4 from Rhythm dance, ChLi1/Chst from free dance, Tarasova/Morozov - 3lpth from SP, Sui/Han - ChSq1 from FS) Hanyu (4t/3a) Yes (P/C - performance, composition from FD) Chen Yes (10) Tie (No one got this right either. Might be my fault - didn’t realize that everyone from 16-24th got 16 points so didn’t fully inform everyone)) No (lost 1 in men) 1. Ladylou - 12 1. Anski - 12 3. River - 10 4. Old Cat Lady - 8 4. Kaeryth - 8 4. Yuzuangel - 8 4. Paskud - 8 4. Sallycinnamon - 8 4. Louitunes - 8 10. Hoodieaxel - 4 OVERALL INCLUDING BONUS Top 5 picks 1. LadyLou - 27+12= 39 2. River - 20+10= 30 2. Old Cat Lady - 20+10=30 4. Kaeryth - 14 +8 = 22 Top 3 picks 1. LadyLou - 18 + 12 = 30 2. River - 12 +10 = 22 3. Old Cat Lady - 10+10=20 4. Sallycinnamon - 11+8 = 19 5. Kaeryth - 8 + 8 = 16 5. Louitunes - 8 + 8 = 16 5. Anski - 4+12=16 Let me know if I made any errors. Thanks everyone for playing

I was too tired and sad to score this but I'll get to it soon. I think next year I'll omit the men's event. Clearly I didn't delete my prediction before the jinx set in

I should have asked how many world records we were going to get. 4 in the pairs event alone I feel like I wasn't very clear so I'm going to score it 2 ways. The 1st score is for top 5 predictions. the 2nd will be only based on top 3. Pairs 1. Ladylou - 8/4 1. Jackie Wong = 8/4 3. kaeryth = 7/3 4. Old Cat Lady = 6/4 5. River - 4/2 SallyCinnamon - N.A./4 Phil Hersch - N.A./2 Louitunes = N.A./2 Anski - N.A. Pakud = N.A. HoodieAxel = N.A.

Lol, this doesn't seem to be too popular so I'll throw Phil Hersch and Jackie Wong into the prediction game. https://www.rockerskating.com/news/2019/3/19/2019-world-championships-preview-men-another-epic-comeback-on-the-way http://www.globetrottingbyphiliphersh.com/home/2019/3/14/who-will-win-2019-figure-skating-worlds-my-medal-crystal-ball-perfectly-clear-on-just-one-event I keep wanting to change my men's prediction but it's such a crap shoot past top 4. I have no clue who I would want to replace anyone with.

That was my reaction too. I was griping about that for weeks. Tuk stalks half the rink to do a huge, beautiful triple axel and she gets 0-2 GOE (as she should considering the long prep deduction). Nate stalks half the rink to do a tiny 3 axel and judges throw a bunch of 4's at him And Nate's fans are still talking about how the Skate America panel was tougher than any of the other ones

Ahh. That would explain it. Well, I guess that just means we have some extra data. eta: btw, using the trimmed mean puts it slightly more in Yuzu's favor. Yuzu's average = 4.256 Nathan's average = 3.658 Difference = .598

I altered the form you made for judging to calculate raw GOE (I have 3 versions of your form now, lol) and checked the factored GOE's against ISU protocols. I'm not sure if my form is off or yours is but I have a few minor quibbles with your numbers. I got: Yuzu: 4T (GPRUS FS) - 4.57 4S (GPRUS SP) - 4.43 4S (GPFIN SP) - 4.43 3A (GPRUS SP) - 4.14 4S (GPRUS FS) - 3.71 Nathan: 4F (GPF FS) - 4 4T (GPFRA FS) - 3.72 3A (GPUSA SP) - 3.71 4F (GPF SP) - 3.43 4T-3T (GPF FS) - 3.43 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bz2lk-wF5FlI16_lmgUFfL85MmI_DS7M7AKIjE6fW6E/edit?usp=sharing (I was using this sheet to see how they would have scored if they didn't make mistakes so some of the GOE's/levels are altered. Also, I didn't attempt a formula for the choreo sequence so I just estimate and manually enter those)

Found the explanation for the metrics http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/WorldFame/espn-world-fame-100-2018 I think ESPN just doesn't know what to do with Yuzu. This list has a few things going against Yuzu. Google isn't the top search engine where his strongest fan bases are but they only looked at Baidu for Chinese athletes and they didn't look at Yahoo at all. And ESPN doesn't cover figure skating outside of a tiny blurb during the Olympics. I wonder if they would have even noticed him if it weren't for all the Poohs. Apparently he was chosen because he was the 18th most searched athlete last year but I can easily see them overlooking him on the Google list if someone didn't already know who he was. I find their endorsement numbers dubious. They explain that they had to estimate if they didn't know for sure. Did Phil Mickelson really lose $13 million in endorsements in 10 months? ESPN uses the biggest official social media account to determine followers (rather than a total). You would think that since Yuzu has no official social media, they could just use the most popular fan account. Last year someone said that there's a weibo account with 500k followers - though that's a severely diluted number since people are more likely to follow an official account than a fan account. Using 22 search score, 13.41 M in endorsements, and 500k followers - Yuzu has a higher score in 2 of the 3 metrics than 24 of the people ranked ahead of him. The calls for that free skate were so bizarre. The video I have didn't have a slo-mo replay for the toe that got called <, but both the axels looked shorter than either the loop or the toe that did get called. From the angles of the video I was watching, I thought both the quads were within the requirements and both the axels were around the quarter. In fact, the loop looked almost backwards at landing - the only thing I can think is that the caller got confused because of the deep curve on the landing. I can understand the mistake on the initial call but you would think it would have been corrected on replay - it didn't even look close to a quarter short to me.

I'm so confused about the search score. Tried to look it up but I still can't figure out what a good number is. Their #1 and #5 has a score of 100 but the guys in between are a lot lower. I'm guessing higher number is better but then why would supposedly more famous people have lower numbers than the #5? ESPN is probably estimating based on what publicists say Yuzu should be making per ad and how many endorsements he has. The Sekkei endorsement history makes me wonder how much money he has given up by only endorsing products he actually believes in.

That's a good point. He probably really doesn't have any skin care routine. I guess the universe actually is that unfair to us mere mortals

Dang. I made myself put the phone down and do other things because I've been compulsively checking only to see like 1 new post. A few hours away and I end up missing out on a new video 😭 This new ad makes me wonder though. Yuzu claimed he doesn't do anything to his skin. But, he chooses sponsors based on them making products he actually uses. Hmm. Is his secret out? It does seem unfair to the world to give him skin like that without him putting any effort into it - even through puberty! I'll never understand why they can't tailor something for him. Didn't they get measurements for Olympic suits and they still didn't fit.

I feel conflicted about the new vs. recycled programs. On the one hand, each of his recycled programs have been better the second (or third) season he did them. I don't think I would be watching skating during this season if Ballade wasn't as masterful as it was at the Olympics, making me immediately obsess over him. His Olympic Semei is the one I watch over and over, in spite of cleaner performances in 2015, because by that point he had such command over the choreography that I find it far superior over the previous versions. I also don't feel like I've gotten enough of these programs and he hasn't even come close to tapping Origin's potential. However, I also think there is so much artistic potential to still be explored and skating careers are so short. I can't help but think about the possible treasure that will get displaced by a repeated program. Unless he's able to skate his dream performance at worlds or WTT, I hope that if he does decide to repeat a program, that it's Origin. As someone else said up thread, he's already given us a supreme version of Otonal. There's an infinitessimal amount that he could improve on it, but if Rostelecom is the best version we ever get of it, I'm happy to keep playing that on loop. I definitely don't want 2 recycled programs. But ideally he'd skate his best programs of the year at worlds. Get 2 new programs next year. Then skate full versions of these programs in Ciontu 12 and 13 with the even greater grandeur that he will have acquired from further experience. I don't give a flying fart about quads so he can do a delayed single axel on the gong, eliminate some of the jumps, and add in some of the choreography he lost. You may ask, "why wouldn't he do it in Ciontu 2?" - well, because he's going to a full version of LGC, of course. Plus, if he repeats Origin in Ciontu 13, it means that he'll be skating until he's at least 36.

Made the mistake of scrolling through my YouTube play lists before bed. There's more deleted symbols than videos now. One of my favorite videos is Kuyashi Zu from 2017 4CC and now almost all the LGC vids are gone. Way to make myself depressed right before I have to sleep

Thanks! Sigh. For Yuzu, I'll dance with my old foe Technology I should have learned these VPN thingies a long time ago anyway. Since Yuzu keeps the notes people throw him, perhaps we could write notes to go with the Poohs encouraging the overseas market. I don't know how these licensing things work - do they have to get one for each country? Maybe the market isn't dense enough to make it worth it. You'd think that they'd at least make it available in China

I don't think it's so much the chest/waist ratio that's odd, though I think his is still more pronounced than average. In side by sides with Boyang and Nathan, Yuzu seems to be similar in the chest and shoulders, if not even a little broader in the shoulders, and slightly smaller in the waist but not by that much, and your numbers above seem to support that. What's odd is that most skinny guys tend to be straight up and down from that point on but Yuzu's hips flare out more. The "ideal" hip/waist ratio for men is .9 and for women it's .6-.8 - female celebrities tend to be very close to .7. Going by the wax figure measurements, Yuzu's is about .77 so the "normal shoulders" and the slightly bigger hips are working together to create the illusion of the extra small waist - though his waist is actually extra small, just not as extra small as it appears. Of the world class skaters, I can only think of Tomono, juniors, and females that have a smaller waist. Squeeeeeeeaaal!!! I have to download line just to get these stamps. Now I need to figure out someone willing to talk to me FYI, there's an Asian fusion chain restaurant called Kona. They have a jalapeno yellowtail in a Yuzu ponzu sauce, which, of course, I only ordered because of the Yuzu sauce. DO NOT ORDER IT! The sauce isn't very good and completely overpowers everything else - I couldn't even taste the jalapeno, much less the yellowtail. Just figured I'd give you guys fair warning since you guys would probably be most likely to fall into the same trap I did... won't stop me from trying the yuzu lemon tart the next time I'm there. Anyone here try the "All Eyes on Yuzu" beer?

Did anyone else notice that, with the season close to finished, Nobu's JPN Open Free skate is unofficially the 9th highest personal best of the season, higher than Cha, Brezina, Zhou, and Brown? His 176 fs is higher than the silver medalist in each of the Grand Prix series events, the bronze medalist at the final, and the winner of all the lower level events except for Ondrej Nepala. I realize that JPN Open was a cheesefest, but the judging was no more farcical than at Europeans or 4CC, so I am compelled to say "come back Nobuuu! You retired way too early!" ETA: oops. I probably should have put this in the retired skaters thread. Sorry

Good to know he's feeling well, but ick, a Chaplin program. I hope he's not playing Chaplin - outside of varying degrees of execution levels, those all look pretty similar and have become rather tiresome. Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze's was a masterpiece. I liked that Anton brought a level of tenderness to the portrayel. But even done at its very best, there are large chunks of the same old schtick. By the time Cappellini and Lanotte got to it, in spite of being a great program and them doing a great job, I couldn't enjoy it Wow! I never noticed how beautiful she was before. I guess I was distracted since I don't like her skating

I attempted to convert my fiancee but I failed. For some reason showing him dozens of pictures of Yuzu's and talking about how pretty he is didn't manage to convince him But he is coming with me to Autumn Classic if I manage to get tickets and our passports in time - crossing my fingers that the US government will be processing those.

My predictions: Japan Yes 3 Papadakis/Cizeron Dance, Ladies Yes deleted for fear of jinx Yes deleted for fear of jinx Yes Canada Yes