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Don't me. I'm aware this is highly unlikely, but if Yuzu really does bring both 4 axel and 4 lutz back next year and we're operating under the assumption that none of the men will do a 5 quad layout, he could do SP: 4a, 3a, 4t/3t* = BV 49.17 LP: 4a/2t, 4a, 4lz, 3f, 4t/3t*, 3a*, 3a/e/3s* = 98.55 Total BV: 147.12 GOE 3: 186.06 SP: 4a, 3a, 4t/3t* = BV 49.17 LP: 4a, 4lz, 4t, 3a, 4t/3t*, 3f/3a seq*, 3a/e/3s* = 99.25 Total BV: 148.42 GOE 3: 187.27 Nate's 5 quad fs that he was practicing at worlds + his actual SP = 146.72, GOE 3 = 184.58 Of course, they both have options to up their BV from here, but I was trying to keep it somewhat within the realm of possibility. I was also thinking that Yuzu should drop his Biellmann for competition. Not only does it tend to cause long term back problems but Yuzu normally has to replace it with A-spin, which is not only ugly but causes him to lose .2 in bv. Which doesn't sound like much, but why give away free points? He's better off learning a new spin that'll be 3.2 bv consistently and not switching back and forth means that the spins he uses get more practice.

huh. I wonder why she's going with Gordeeva. I thought she was Grinkova when she was a child.

Thanks. That brings the totals to 120,770,514 yen 1,079,084.54 US Dollars 1,445,019.20 Canadian 959,484.20 Euro Just realized I'm still missing his 2014 Olympic winnings. will be back. eta: didn't find and exact number for 2014 but an article said almost $60,000 USD and I figured it was likely a round number so I went with 6,500,000 yen. seems paltry compared to 2018 Olympic winnings 127,270,514.00 yen 1,137,162.04 US Dollars 1,522,791.70 Canadian 1,011,124.68 Euro

The girl really knows her makeup. She looks absolutely stunning and the dress is beautiful

If everyone did individual donations perhaps all we need is for everyone to send a note saying something like "on behalf of Planet Hanyu from all around the world to show our love for Yuzu". I think it is a simple and unpretentious way of showing just another way in which he has been a worldwide inspiration, not just Japan. p.s. I've been adding up the various donations raised by Yuzu and so far I have: 27008514 Blue Flames, Blue Flames 2 book royalties to Ice Rink Sendai 5000000 2019 Olympic Winnings to Miyagi prefecture 5000000 2019 Olympic winnings to Sendai city 7120000 2019 charity auction to reconstructions 8501000 2018 charity auction to reconstruction 3361000 2016 charity auction to reconstruction 42780000 revenue from merchandise sold from Hanyu exhibitions Total is 98, 770, 514 yen which is $882, 514.54 US 784, 838.16 Euro 1,180,208.87 Canadian But I'm still going through the history. Looks like I'm still missing some Ice Rink Sendai donations. Didn't the surplus from the parade go there?

I agree with that. My knowledge of skating history is just very spotty I would also say that I don't think every year counts when I think of "longevity". If someone had a big success and it was 5 years before anything of note, then they had another couple years of success, then another couple years of nothing, and another year of relative success, I don't consider that great longevity.

I suppose it's hypocritical of me to find this hilarious but I do. And she's probably right. The guys I've known that are specifically into Asian women tend to not care about what they look like as long as they're not fat. This poster is interesting. Yuzu is literally front and center. I get that he was chosen for the extra attention he will garner but I think it''s interesting that they also chose Stepanova & Bukin for the poster. As far as I know, they don't have a huge NA following and

Why Wilson or why am I including it in the consideration? For the former, honestly I don't know exactly how long he's been doing it. I just know that he's been cranking out programs for top skaters for many many years and he seems to have the biggest body of work. But I know Lori's been doing it for a couple decades now so if it's her, I have no dispute. I haven't followed skating consistently so I'm not sure if she's produced top programs year after year If you're questioning the latter, I guess it depends on whether you're asking for greatest career or greatest talent. If you're talking the greatest talent, then I don't think it's that relevant actually. ETA: I just realized you said just for singles in the op and I picked Lori based on S/h.

Funny, I was actually thinking about this after I was complaining about David Wilson on the "thoughts on programs" thread so I started compiling lists of programs by choreographer. It's a lot more work than anticipated and I got a bit distracted with other things so I never finished it. This is a hard question to answer actually. First, I think you need to define what makes a great choreographer. These are the qualities I can think of off the top of my head: 1. strategy - who best milks the scoring system?How well does the choreographer understand what the skater can handle? How well does he hide weakness of the skater while emphasizing the strengths? How well are they able to adapt to needs? At least this year, I think Shae and Jeffrey did really well with this with Vincent and Nathan. The many shorter movements hide their inferior edge quality while giving the illusion of content. They both had programs that looked busy but was comprised of simplistic movements that these skaters could handle while still landing jumps. it's enough to fool the judges ... or give the judges enough of an excuse to mark the way they want. 2. Longevity - I guess we give this to David Wilson. Pretty sure he has the largest body of work. Whether you like his work or not, we can't deny how many times medals were won with his programs. Pretty sure he has the largest body of work of active choreographers 3. Consistent excellence. Not sure who I'd give this to. I think this is the one where the list is most relevant. This kind of just comes down to what percentage of the programs were good. Also, what's better; a choreographer with higher highs and lower lows or one that is reliable? 4. Impact. How memorable was the program? Was the program innovative? Did it elevate the skater? If I had to pick a single program it would be Sui/Han's long program. But then there's also a question of, how much is the choreographer and how much is the skater? I'm sure there's more that I can't think of right now. Taking a cursory look, I'll grudgingly give it to Nichol for this year at least though I dislike a lot of her work but I think she's second to Wilson in how long she's been at the top and I think she did the best program this year. Of course, if I'm only naming a choreographer for this year I don't think Longevity is all that relevant. Must think on this more.

I wasn't planning a collection of spread eagles but came across this pic. Don't know who this guy is

Woops, replied before I read the whole thread. I'm on board with seductive but I think this particular song is too light and flirty for Yuzu - when I heard it, I immediately thought of Javi. I don't know a lot of programs by Kurt, but in the few that I remember, my problem with Kurt as a choreographer is that I feel like he tries to turn skaters into him and I think he choreographed one of Yuzu's worst programs. He's great for a skater that already has the style that he likes to makes but I wouldn't use him to create anything special to the skater.

This is the way I feel. I wouldn't want him to abandon them completely, maybe just reduce it down to 1. But I also think that we've seen glimpses of a lot of things that we don't get to see in programs because of these signature moves and I feel like it might be hurting him because people have a tendency to compare him to himself rather than other skaters. I have no guesses about his programs next year other than I'm sure it will be Shae and Jeff for competition and probably Wilson for the ex but I was thinking recently that I never liked Parisian Walkways until I saw it at Ciontu. I would like to see him try a more sultry style programs with his current levels of interpretation. For his other program, something darker and edgy. I'd like to continue to see strong, dynamic Yuzu next year. I kind of want to see him drop Shae as well. I feel like Jeffrey has been the more innovative choreographer for him. I'm not sure how much of the relying on signature moves is Shae and how much of it Yuzu, but I would like to see him try someone fresh, if only for just 1 season. I've been curious how a Tarasova program might look on him.

Yes, I was quite pleased when I did my calculations. I don't take Keiji's WTT score too seriously, but I'm happy that he ended the season with 3 pretty good competitions. Maybe he's just one of those late bloomers and can keep getting better in this coming quad. Javi peaked when he was 24-26. I would love it if Keiji could get some international medals next year.

Are these actual real things? If not, perhaps the Planet needs a gift shop section

Do you mean fresh as in innovative or fresh as in "different from her normal style"? Because if you mean the latter, I think they tried that with Orange Colored Sky and it failed miserably. I'm not surprised that they're gun shy about new things this year.

In the US, it seems like tastes range to include most types of male beauty, but in studies from online dating sites, Asian men consistently are rated lowest for desirability(strangely Asian women are the highest). Even Asian women's preferences are skewed toward white men over Asian men! And in main stream media, Asian men are almost never portrayed romantically, except possibly in comedy situations, and even then, it's extremely rare. I can only think of a few situations currently where Asian men are one of the leads and have romantic relationships, but I think in 2 of those shows it is specifically geared toward the Asian audience, and one of them is actually a Canadian sitcom. Pretty sure my brother is considered very handsome and he didn't have a girlfriend until after highschool. He looks similar to the actor from Kim's Convenience, though with whiter skin and not quite as muscular I can't think of any Asian actor in an American show or movie that would be a Yuzu type. The closest I can think of is Glenn from the walking Dead but he doesn't look anything like Yuzu. It's just that I would consider him to be in the "pretty" category rather than "handsome". Looked it up more. https://www.goldennumber.net/human-body/ https://www.canva.com/learn/what-is-the-golden-ratio/ I thought the 8 sections was a reference to Manga proportions but I guess Manga characters are designed with this golden ratio concept?

When do you think you'll be making the donation? I just ask because I won't get my new job until June. I picked the ice rink because Yuzu is so personally involved in that charity though either is fine. To me, the most important thing is a note making it clear that this donation is inspired by Yuzu.

When I said that Yuzu and Boyang had a lot of similar features, I was referring to the cursory explanation for why he was considered attractive in China that I got from the WTT thread (height, slender, skin). They're almost the same height, they both have really fair skin, and they're both almost the same weight. I personally find Yuzu more attractive but like I said there, I'm never completely sure if I'm letting myself get carried away with my fangurling. I was under the impression that teeth wasn't as big a thing outside the US. However, to answer your question from personal experience, my brothers and I were adopted from S. Korea and grew up in S. Minnesota in an area that is mostly of Norwegian or German heritage and currently live in the Suburbs. This may be different in more metro areas where there are denser Asian communities, but it's very common for me to be mistaken for another Asian who looks nothing like me (at my old job, we even worked in different stores and customers would often ask both of us - "don't you work in that other store?" - she's at least 50 lbs heavier than I am, is significantly taller, has much darker skin, has a different shape face, etc. - literally nothing alike but the color of the hair) and no one bats an eye if someone were to say that "all Asians look alike". One time a manager even said that to me at one of my jobs! In spite of being Asian ourselves, my brothers and I can't tell the difference between Korean, Japanese, Chinese, etc. But to be fair on this point, even most Asian immigrants tend to guess wrong - they tend to guess that I'm whatever they are Yes, I'm interested by beauty standards in different countries, especially Asian countries. In part because in my school my brothers and I were considered "ugly", often being called "flat face" or "chink" (slur for Chinese - where I grew up, "Chink" and "Gook" were used interchangeably since all Asians were the same). It was a bizarre experience the first time I went to a business that was all Asian immigrants - I was surrounded by a few women and they fawned over me. Now that I understand more about Asian beauty standards, I get it more - I'm literally the palest Asian I know, which is funny because when I was growing up I often complained that I didn't get the "natural tan" that other minorities get but wasn't willing to damage my skin by tanning. Sorry for the tangent above, but the primary reason I was interested in this particular instance, is because I'm utterly fascinated by Yuzu's popularity in China when China has their own skating stars. In the US, I can't think of any foreign athlete being promoted above our own. There are a few instances of foreign athletes gaining fame because of physical beauty and/or a sentimental story, but no matter how beautiful/intelligent/noble/etc., they would never get to the point of surpassing our own stars if we have any in that sport. Had they skated in the same era, Yuna Kim would never become more popular than Michelle Kwan in spite of Kim's exceptional physical beauty, and the likelihood is that we'd be finding all sorts of excuses for why Kim's skating was terrible - N.A. fans even try to argue that Yuzu isn't the most famous active skater. It seems like the Chinese are as much or even more crazed for Yuzu than Japan. I thought there was political tension between JPN and China as well so that's why I'm curious as to why he's so popular in China but not S. Korea and I thought maybe it was, in part, because he's not considered as attractive in S. Korea but that doesn't seem to be the case. I was curious about how his popularity compared to Kim's in China because of the whole "hope of Asia" thing, since they're both wildly successful Asians. I think it's also interesting that they embraced Yuzu over ethnically Chinese skaters - why Yuzu but not Patrick Chan or Michelle Kwan who are both very successful and ethnically Chinese - is the lack of Olympic gold? they're regarded as N. American first and Asian second? But Michael Chang was popular in China for being ethnically Chinese, in spite being less successful than others and American. These foreign beauty standards are also interesting because I don't think Yuzu is considered that attractive in America in spite of a much wider variety of beauty standards here. White versions of his look are extremely popular (boy bands tend to be comprised of the "pretty" or "cute" type) but Asian men in general are not generally considered sex symbols around here and the few who break into mainstream stardom tend to be either comedic types or action stars and the "handsome" types have more of a Keiji look than a Yuzu look.

That explains it. I went to look for it too but over half of my library is deleted. I think I downloaded it before most stuff got purged but it's always a pain to look for anything in the hard drive - I downloaded everything in a hurry so none of it is organized. Seems like a weird video to get deleted since it doesn't compete with anything but he uploader probably posted more current videos that got the channel deleted. I never thought about the pointy chin but I'm watching Bleach right now and, you're right, all the major characters and most of the secondary characters have the pointy chin. The ahoge and hair in the face are really common as well. I've been thinking about beauty standards in other countries and it's effect on popularity. From the conversation in the WTT thread and some articles I read, it looks like the Chinese admire extreme slenderness in both males and females, which surprised me. I knew about the females and all the crazy challenges like the sheet of paper challenge but didn't realize that the guys are also held to this standard. It seems pretty common in Asian countries to want pale skin and the higher nose bridge and height for men. I thought the big eyes was a pretty common beauty standard as well but Yuzu doesn't have that. Is Boyang also considered very attractive in China? He seems to have a lot of the same physical characteristics as Yuzu but doesn't have that more feminine body shape. Is this androgynous look also prized in China? Korea has similar beauty standards right? But my understanding is that he's not popular there, though largely because of social/political tension in the 2 countries' histories. Is this golden proportion/mean/ratio thing more of a Japanese thing or a general principal of aesthetic? I tried to look it up but got a math thing and some explanations on how to use it in design. What about the "small face" thing? Is it fair to say that Yuzu and Yuna Kim are the 2 most popular skaters in the last 30 years or so (the only skater I can think of that would rival them is Sonja Henie, maybe Witt)? Mao is pretty popular too but not quite as famous as these two? Michelle Kwan is probably the most famous American skater but from everything I hear she wasn't very popular outside the US - do you think winning gold would have changed that or do you think being more average looking would have held her back from attaining the fame of the other 2 no matter what? How much of Yuzu and Kim's popularity is due to their physical beauty - before each of their second Olympics they were very successful but not more than a lot of other champions. How much of Alina's (and Masaru's) popularity is due to her being so beautiful? around here, I don't think it's as common for people to find Yuzu's look attractive, but I keep to a pretty small circle of friends. Most of the time the reaction to me looking at his photos has been "that's a guy?" and he's not nearly as famous here as everywhere else, but I think in the US that's true of every foreign athlete except maybe Maria Sharapova and Anna Kournikova. ok. sorry for the rambling, lol. That's a lot of really shallow questions.

I'm of absolutely no use but want to say how grateful I am that you took on this project.

What. The. F%#K?!?!!! I don't know even know how to react. I guess i am reacting - with utter bewilderment and extreme annoyance... I mean... I'm not normally sensitive to these things but what possible reasoning for doing this could there be that isn't offensive? eta: it also looks like they lightened his skin. eta 2: for comparison

It seems that people here don't think anyone is going to do a 5 quad layout. I don't mean to underestimate Yuzu, but I think realistically, we should only anticipate 1 new jump, which looks like the 4lutz. So then the question becomes, which jump will he drop for the lutz? Looks like others think it will be the loop. But if the goal is to increase his base value, the better choice will be the salchow. in 2017, when he landed it, he got higher GOE for the loop than the salchow and while the salchow is more consistent, between the two, it has also been the jump that has failed him more on the bigger occasions - 2017 4CC SP, 2017 Worlds SP, and now 2019 Worlds SP. There might be a mental reason to drop it, though obviously there is the physical reason to drop the loop since it takes off on the right ankle. I don't think it will be the toe because it's about as consistent as his axel at this point and is only worth .02 less than the salchow Honestly, I think Yuzu's best strategy is to announce his retirement so he can spend a year healing then focusing on working on his jumps instead of preparing for competitions. Nothing short of getting involved in the corruption himself is going to stop the political issues, which we know he won't do. Nathan and Vincent's scores will continue to inflate whether he's there or not. The only thing he can do to fight that is to up his own tech. btw, keep in mind that Nate was practicing a 5 quad layout at worlds. I think that is the long term plan. And actually, Yuzu being "retired" might actually benefit him psychologically. Pretty sure Yuzu is the primary reason Nate is working on that 5 quad layout. With him being "retired", other skaters might relax a little. Nate has consistently shown a pattern of only doing what he thinks is necessary. And yes, I know it's not Yuzu's mindset to want his opponents to be less; I'm just pointing out the strategic benefit.

This is a site of statistics. I still have to look through it https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/ternovblogfk/1400457.html These are just compilations of Ladies 3A and quads but no stats.

nvm. found it. sorry for wasting the bandwidth

could you explain more about your project? I think I've been working on something similar! I'm just making a list of significant moments in his life and career - records, awards, charity, etc. I'm hoping to have something for every day of the year and making a calendar out of it - though realistically, it'll just be a thread here starting in January