xeyra Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, yuzuangel said: I wonder why Japan voted against? What's their reasoning? They didn't necessarily vote against the amendment. They voted against the entire package of proposals, since they were all voted as one, possibly because they didn't agree with some of the proposals within. They didn't vote specifically for this one proposal (with amendment). The series of tweets doesn't make that clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuzuangel Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, xeyra said: They didn't necessarily vote against the amendment. They voted against the entire package of proposals, since they were all voted as one, possibly because they didn't agree with some of the proposals within. They didn't vote specifically for this one proposal (with amendment). The series of tweets doesn't make that clear. So basically they wasted a whole day on voting on USBs and then decided to save time with the tech proposals? ok lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonkat Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 there needs to be an amendment that reverses everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sallycinnamon Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 39 minutes ago, yuzuangel said: So basically they wasted a whole day on voting on USBs and then decided to save time with the tech proposals? ok lol They discussed the proposals on Monday during the workshop, the voting process was just formal today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airi Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I'm surprisingly okay with most of the changes and can't wait to see the new rules in practice 2018/2019 season will be a bit of a trial I guess... My brain hurts a bit when I think about possible layouts, so I will just wait and see what they'll come with. The rule about no steps before solo jumps annoys me a bit, but it's not like it was always enforced anyway... I guess there won't be many skaters who will bother with difficult connecting steps, but oh well. There still will be a few that care enough to do the extra. Everyone knows who I'm talking about... As for 3Lo combos, I doubt we will see many more of them, sadly. I love 3Lo combos, these are some of the prettiest jumps when done good, but they are still rarity even in ladies field, who generally have better sense of balance, and less jumps to master than man (since they rarely try 3A or quads). Those combos are just too risky in more than one way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yatagarasu Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 hours ago, shanshani said: The reason we might see more 3Lo combos is because of the reduction in number of jumping passes. - they are extremely difficult on the hips - hard to land and rotate fully The benefit of the -3Lo was always there, it's just that not many can do it, never mind do it properly. And then add the issues with the hip, the -3Lo combo being quite a bit worse than the actual loop considering the physics of it and the momentum transference that happens. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more attempts if people get stuck but the possibility of injury also goes up with this, and the issues with it is pretty well known so we might not get such a big increase actually. ___ I'm actually more or less pleased with the repetition that we ended up getting. It's one of the rare things I am pleased with. The circus that was this whole congress though ... heck it's an insult to a circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeyra Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Honestly, most layouts won't change a lot this next season. Most men already only repeated 1 quad anyway, when they had 2 or more. Eteri girls will be backloading their combos, but that's par for the course with them. It's the following seasons people might try to experiment more with combos and layouts, after they've tested things out this first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yatagarasu Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, xeyra said: It's the following seasons people might try to experiment more with combos and layouts, after they've tested things out this first year. I think we may see some slight things, considering skaters often do fiddle with combos in practice but yes. Also seeing how judging is going to be applied is another thing, and frankly, it'll probably be all over the place this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micaelis Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Being very new to the whole figure-skating scene I still was able to glean something from the several pages back from this point I picked up working my way forward to here. Now, if I understand things right, there are now restrictions on how many jump passes can be made for extra points after the halfway mark. If it means there won't be so much rear stacking I'm for it. It should result in better-balanced programs. Limits on the number and type of repeat jumps left me quite confused though I did sense that the 3A might be resurrected as a truly major component of a skating program. Knowing Yuzu's command of that jump I think I would welcome it. I've known for some time about the shortening of the FS duration. I don't know if any others have picked up on it but even though Brian and company have adopted strategies in training Yuzu and structuring his programs to ameliorate negative effects from his asthma, the shortening of the programs should work for Yuzu, allowing his to do things now that they might have contemplated in the past. Just some thoughts there. I was struck by one item of discussion, though, and I didn't know whether people were serious or not, regarding the wearing of tights by the men. It seemed a number here didn't like the idea but as somebody who's been a strong fan of ballet for over half a century I can say I would have no objections. Actually some of Yuzu's costumes (in ice shows mainly) were tights in all but name, being loose only below the knees but I really don't have any personal objections. The thing is that one of the advantages tights have over looser trousers is that they allow one to more clearly see the attitude of the feet during a performance and also get a clear sense of the lines of the legs. Now I know I'm talking here as a ballet fan but wearing tights allows the legs to be seen as a seamless whole as they are manipulated. I do admit, however, that skating boots aesthetically do not go as well with tights as ballet slippers do, so there is that element to remember. All in all, I have to say, the changes I've been seeing discussed here do not strike me as working against Yuzu's approach to skating. He is, after all, a complete skater and one who is able to adapt any number of strategies when planning his routines. I think he'll adapt much more readily than many of the other men. Nathan Chen strikes me as the one who's going to lose out from this unless he learns how to put more substance into his programs and not rely almost entirely on his jumps. The other major jumper, Boyang Jin, has been working on his skating skills the last couple season and the results are starting to show. His move to train under Brian I think also will help him. Back to Yuzu, though. He, like every other men's skater and coach, is watching the proceedings this week with fierce attention. A lot is on the line but since it has become apparent that much of the planning of Yuzu's programs is actually his own doing, with his awareness of his strengths and weakness, he'll adjust. Remember, Yuzu is one of skating's supreme strategists. He's playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerunias Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Yatagarasu said: The circus that was this whole congress though ... heck it's an insult to a circus. ISU Congress be like: "Look out 'cause here I come And I'm marching on to the beat I drum I'm not scared to be seen I make no apologies, this is me" But I am glad I'm not the only one who vaguely likes the updated repetition proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xen Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I want a proper objective definition of sexy balletic arms, if it becomes a trend next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerunias Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Xen said: I want a proper objective definition of sexy balletic arms, if it becomes a trend next season. I've already used this image once as a costume suggestion in response to Yata in another thread. But this is too good to pass up the chance of re-use. Let this be the proper objective definition of sexy balletic arms (and legs). x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Xen Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Cerunias said: I've already used this image once as a costume suggestion in response to Yata in another thread. But this is too good to pass up the chance of re-use. Let this be the proper objective definition of sexy balletic arms (and legs). x Well, this image. I must say, the arms are so well proportioned, and held outwards at such a well controlled angle. And the free leg forms a wonderful angle both to the ice and the support leg. Not to mention the angle of the head to the rest of the torso, with the hands well formed in, I guess this is balachine, form. Must say, this position is so well done, one must question the posture of the ladies' spirals-Karen Chen, Satton whomst? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodie axel Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Shekhovtsova made it again. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. ETA: Like with a bad soap opera that has too many twists and turns, the real outcome is better: She didn't make it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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