xeyra Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Bringing this from the General Yuzu chat too, some possibilities without 4Lz. H&L layout 4Lo 4S 3F // 4S3T 4T 3A2T 3A1Lo3S 3Lz - BV: 103.43 Pros: Familiarity. Already went clean or clean-ish with 4-quads 3 times last season. Cons: Jump combos may not fit music as well. Heavier re-shift in layout and will need to re-shift again if he brings 4Lz for Worlds. H&L layout alternatives (same BV as above) 4Lo 4S 3F // 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 3A2T 3A 3Lz 4Lo 4S 3F // 4S3T 3A1Lo3S 4T(2T) 3A(2T) 3Lz Note: On the last one, he can attach the 2T to either the 4T or the 3A. 4-quad Seimei 2.0 layout: 3Lz 4Lo 3F // 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 4T 3A2T 3A - BV: 103.66 Pros: Very, VERY, slight BV increase over H&L. More familiarity on this layout this season, only replacing a 4Lz for a 3Lz Cons: Starting with a 3Lz may not give him the concentration required for the rest of the program. Pop may ensue? 5-quad Summer layout 4Lo 4S 3F // 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 4T(2T) 3A(2T) 3Lz - BV: 105.41 Pros: Higher BV than a 4-quad layout and he has already trained this layout at some point. Cons: ONE, only ONE 3A. Plus more stamina (and ankle) intensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunna Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 53 минуты назад, xeyra сказал: 5-quad Summer layout 4Lo 4S 3F // 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 4T(2T) 3A(2T) 3Lz - BV: 105.41 Pros: Higher BV than a 4-quad layout and he has already trained this layout at some point. Cons: ONE, only ONE 3A. Plus more stamina (and ankle) intensive. 2 points above H&L layout - it can be worth it in a situation when every point counts and can be not considering how reliable his 3A is. So it'll likely will depend on the fact of how good he feels about his 4T nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaeryth Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I'm actually excited on what his layout would be mainly because of the nuances of his jumps and the transitions as well. You know he would want to match everything to the music. So maybe, we'll be seeing a wholly different Seimei (Seimei 2.5?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PomeloPooh Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 So it seems Nathan’s 4lutz isn’t quite back stable yet. Wonder if it stays so, what he’ll do for the lp layout. After all the only time he landed 5 quads this season was when he took out the lutz. Might depend on how others do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xen Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 25 minutes ago, PomeloPooh said: So it seems Nathan’s 4lutz isn’t quite back stable yet. Wonder if it stays so, what he’ll do for the lp layout. After all the only time he landed 5 quads this season was when he took out the lutz. Might depend on how others do. Just stick with his quad flips. His US nats layout is plenty competitive, and it seems he can land that layout in his sleep. The key for him is to go clean, if he doesn't go clean, he might not even podium if the other guys go clean, considering his track record of being beaten in the Free this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeyra Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I suspect if he doesn't use the 4Lz for the SP it's just for the TE. He'll use it again in the individual and it can even be a strategy. I really wouldn't trust anything on any layout for Nathan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeyra Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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asiacheetah Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2018/02/08/olympics/winter-olympics/olympics-figure-skating/shoma-uno-looks-sharp-workout-brian-orser-weighs-yuzuru-hanyus-training/ “Yuzu is planning two quad toe loops, two quad salchows and possibly a quad loop for the free skate,” Orser stated Why am I side eyeing this so hard? Maybe because that means only 1 3A in his program, something I just don't see Yuzu doing. I'm suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuzuangel Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, asiacheetah said: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2018/02/08/olympics/winter-olympics/olympics-figure-skating/shoma-uno-looks-sharp-workout-brian-orser-weighs-yuzuru-hanyus-training/ “Yuzu is planning two quad toe loops, two quad salchows and possibly a quad loop for the free skate,” Orser stated Why am I side eyeing this so hard? Maybe because that means only 1 3A in his program, something I just don't see Yuzu doing. I'm suspicious. eek, i'm suspicious too. if this is true, I feel strangely heartbroken for 3A ... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beki Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I’m way behind the times, because I love triple axels more than quads. Guess I’ll love the 4A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiacheetah Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 18 hours ago, beki said: I’m way behind the times, because I love triple axels more than quads. Guess I’ll love the 4A I think I love the 3A so much because a good one is such a rare unicorn in this field of QUAD QUAD QUAD men. Unlike a PR/UR/Flutz quad where you can kind of cheat it into making you think it's a good one, it's hard to cover a bad Axel. Plus our Yuzu is the King of beautiful effortless 3A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beki Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 The case of the 3A could actually be instructive in the evolution of quads. It’s been around for decades, yet it’s still difficult to get, a pinnacle. And you have brilliant skaters capable of quads who never tamed it: Lambiel, Chan. And gorgeous interpreters like Brown and Hendrickx who still white knuckle it. Sometimes I wonder which jumps are truly the most difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiacheetah Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, beki said: The case of the 3A could actually be instructive in the evolution of quads. It’s been around for decades, yet it’s still difficult to get, a pinnacle. And you have brilliant skaters capable of quads who never tamed it: Lambiel, Chan. And gorgeous interpreters like Brown and Hendrickx who still white knuckle it. Sometimes I wonder which jumps are truly the most difficult. Don't most of the skaters say Axel jump is harder because you are jumping forward and kind of into the void hoping you don't crash and burn at the end of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I found this video about quints Also US media being US media and crediting Nathan as being the one to inspire others to do quads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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