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Bringing this from the General Yuzu chat too, some possibilities without 4Lz.

 

H&L layout

4Lo 4S 3F // 4S3T 4T 3A2T 3A1Lo3S 3Lz - BV: 103.43

Pros: Familiarity. Already went clean or clean-ish with 4-quads 3 times last season.

Cons: Jump combos may not fit music as well. Heavier re-shift in layout and will need to re-shift again if he brings 4Lz for Worlds.

 

H&L layout alternatives (same BV as above)

4Lo 4S 3F // 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 3A2T 3A 3Lz

4Lo 4S 3F // 4S3T 3A1Lo3S 4T(2T) 3A(2T) 3Lz

Note: On the last one, he can attach the 2T to either the 4T or the 3A. 

 

4-quad Seimei 2.0 layout:

3Lz 4Lo 3F // 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 4T 3A2T 3A - BV: 103.66

Pros: Very, VERY, slight BV increase over H&L. More familiarity on this layout this season, only replacing a 4Lz for a 3Lz

Cons: Starting with a 3Lz may not give him the concentration required for the rest of the program. Pop may ensue?

 

5-quad Summer layout

4Lo 4S 3F // 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 4T(2T) 3A(2T) 3Lz - BV: 105.41

Pros: Higher BV than a 4-quad layout and he has already trained this layout at some point.

Cons: ONE, only ONE 3A.  Plus more stamina (and ankle) intensive. 

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53 минуты назад, xeyra сказал:

5-quad Summer layout

4Lo 4S 3F // 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 4T(2T) 3A(2T) 3Lz - BV: 105.41

Pros: Higher BV than a 4-quad layout and he has already trained this layout at some point.

Cons: ONE, only ONE 3A.  Plus more stamina (and ankle) intensive.

2 points above H&L layout - it can be worth it in a situation when every point counts and can be not considering how reliable his 3A is. So it'll likely will depend on the fact of how good he feels about his 4T nowadays.

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25 minutes ago, PomeloPooh said:

 

So it seems Nathan’s 4lutz isn’t quite back stable yet. Wonder if it stays so, what he’ll do for the lp layout. After all the only time he landed 5 quads this season was when he took out the lutz. Might depend on how others do.

Just stick with his quad flips. His US nats layout is plenty competitive, and it seems he can land that layout in his sleep. The key for him is to go clean, if he doesn't go clean, he might not even podium if the other guys go clean, considering his track record of being beaten in the Free this season.

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I suspect if he doesn't use the 4Lz for the SP it's just for the TE. He'll use it again in the individual and it can even be a strategy. I really wouldn't trust anything on any layout for Nathan. :laughing:

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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2018/02/08/olympics/winter-olympics/olympics-figure-skating/shoma-uno-looks-sharp-workout-brian-orser-weighs-yuzuru-hanyus-training/

 

“Yuzu is planning two quad toe loops, two quad salchows and possibly a quad loop for the free skate,” Orser stated

 

Why am I side eyeing this so hard?

 

Maybe because that means only 1 3A in his program, something I just don't see Yuzu doing. I'm suspicious.

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4 minutes ago, asiacheetah said:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2018/02/08/olympics/winter-olympics/olympics-figure-skating/shoma-uno-looks-sharp-workout-brian-orser-weighs-yuzuru-hanyus-training/

 

“Yuzu is planning two quad toe loops, two quad salchows and possibly a quad loop for the free skate,” Orser stated

 

Why am I side eyeing this so hard?

 

Maybe because that means only 1 3A in his program, something I just don't see Yuzu doing. I'm suspicious.

eek, i'm suspicious too. if this is true, I feel strangely heartbroken for 3A ... :tumblr_m7etfqA8wS1qb1380: lol

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18 hours ago, beki said:

I’m way behind the times, because I love triple axels more than quads. Guess I’ll love the 4A :animated-smileys-character-079:

I think I love the 3A so much because a good one is such a rare unicorn in this field of QUAD QUAD QUAD men. Unlike a PR/UR/Flutz quad where you can kind of cheat it into making you think it's a good one, it's hard to cover a bad Axel. Plus our Yuzu is the King of beautiful effortless 3A.

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The case of the 3A could actually be instructive in the evolution of quads. It’s been around for decades, yet it’s still difficult to get, a pinnacle. And you have brilliant skaters capable of quads who never tamed it: Lambiel, Chan. And gorgeous interpreters like Brown and Hendrickx who still white knuckle it. Sometimes I wonder which jumps are truly the most difficult.

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24 minutes ago, beki said:

The case of the 3A could actually be instructive in the evolution of quads. It’s been around for decades, yet it’s still difficult to get, a pinnacle. And you have brilliant skaters capable of quads who never tamed it: Lambiel, Chan. And gorgeous interpreters like Brown and Hendrickx who still white knuckle it. Sometimes I wonder which jumps are truly the most difficult.

Don't most of the skaters say Axel jump is harder because you are jumping forward and kind of into the void hoping you don't crash and burn at the end of it?

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