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I've been to ACI the last 4 years and to me the reaction to Origin's costume reveal this year was slightly different, and a bit more exaggerated than in the past.

 

I had to go back to my fancam of the 6 min warm-up to job my memory a bit, but what was a bit different was that beyond the initial hurrah and cheers after the costume reveal fans went on for some jumps Yuzu landed etc. Then suddenly, 2 minutes after Yuzu already took off his jacket and was just skating around, fans began cheering again when he skated close by their section - this part has never happened before beyond maybe that first minute when he takes off his jacket. It basically continued like this all the way until the end of the warm-up. I was amused at first, although ultimately I think it's a bit much since the warm-up is only 6 minutes. I think  cheering is generally fine even during warm-up to support skaters, but like yuzuangel mentioned maybe some people were trying to outdo each other this time around. Also don't believe Yuzu would EVER say anything even if he felt the cheering was excessive, I don't think he'd want fans to feel bad. He may occasionally shush the crowd and that's the extent of it.

 

As others mentioned, this type of reaction usually only happens at the start of the season. Later on at Worlds, Grand Prix, or even the Olympics I don't think I've seen costume reactions like we do at ACI so I think part of it is the novelty of seeing the costume for the first time. That and there wasn't any media day this year and maybe everyone was a bit more excited than usual. I will say though that usually Yuzu gets the crowd so amped up that the cheers for other skaters tends to be louder or more enthusiastic, which I imagine is nice for skaters that may not generally be used to that warm a reception.

 

 

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I think cheering is great and you can tell skaters appreciate the audience’s support. However, we shouldn’t forget that these are athletes about to risk the work of months in a couple of minutes. Many of them like to be very focused and visualize their skate before taking the ice etc so I think we shouldn’t behave like we’re in a rock concert either.

 

About plushies, I think they’re a cute way of supporting a skater after their performance. I don’t think they’re a “psychological tactic” or anything of the sort and I’d only oppose to items being thrown into the ice if they’d be risky for the next skater (a white envelope the flower girls might miss, unwrapped flowers whose petals can stick to the ice, items with glitter or sequins that might fall into the ice...)

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1 hour ago, yuzuangel said:

Well ISU only cares about their bottom line, so they're not really the barometer of integrity/respect that I would use. 

 

But yeah, like I said, it is what it is, because like it or not, skaters (and sports in general) exist because they are entertainment for spectators. No one is saying that we should ban fan enthusiasm here.

I don't know if the ISU even cares about their bottom line that much, otherwise they'd be rolling the red carpet out for Yuzu the way other sporting organizations do for their big stars...

 

tbh when I imagine the ISU, I picture a group of stodgy old fuddy-duddies who hate the idea of change and don't care about anything except keeping things the way they used to be. I mean, think about their reaction to the cutting edge technology of the USB drive :13877886:(of course, no offense to the older people of this forum--you guys are cool!) 

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16 minutes ago, shanshani said:

 

 

tbh when I imagine the ISU, I picture a group of stodgy old fuddy-duddies who hate the idea of change and don't care about anything except keeping things the way they used to be. I mean, think about their reaction to the cutting edge technology of the USB drive :13877886:(of course, no offense to the older people of this forum--you guys are cool!) 

Well, you're probably not wrong. 

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29 minutes ago, shanshani said:

I don't know if the ISU even cares about their bottom line that much, otherwise they'd be rolling the red carpet out for Yuzu the way other sporting organizations do for their big stars...

 

tbh when I imagine the ISU, I picture a group of stodgy old fuddy-duddies who hate the idea of change and don't care about anything except keeping things the way they used to be. I mean, think about their reaction to the cutting edge technology of the USB drive :13877886:(of course, no offense to the older people of this forum--you guys are cool!) 

they are tho.

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1 hour ago, rockstaryuzu said:

I don't think the pooh rain is actually forbidden outright. It's just that not every competition has an army of little flower boys and girls who can sweep the ice clear. 

 

Given the fact that Saitama Poohs are still being distributed to places that could use them, it's probably not a bad thing to have a competition or two without them. It will give the good folks who get tasked with Pooh distribution a chance to catch up. 

 

I agree with @KatjaThera on this though: Yuzu is definitely focussed inward during the 6 minute warmups. I'd be surprised if he even sees the crowd; his eyes seem to be 100% on the ice. Keegan, by contrast, is noticing the crowd and will actually react if something catches his attention, like a flag or poster -> you can see his eyes moving to look at whatever it is. It's only after his skate is over that Yuzu's eyes sweep over the crowd. At least, that's what I observed. 

At Japan Nationals this year, throwing gifts on the ice is forbidden. Which a lot of people think is ridiculous, because if Japan doesn't have flower boys and girls, then nobody does. It started with banning banners, then slowly only allowing certain areas of the audience to throw gifts, to not banning gift throwing altogether (and I'm pretty sure it's in reaction to fans banding together at Worlds, so those in areas where throwing was allowed, also threw for those who weren't allowed to). Given that Yuzu gets the most banners and most gifts, it's hard not to think this is a move against him.

 

I also don't understand why it took so long to distribute the Saitama Poohs. There is really no reason for it to take half a year... The Helsinki Poohs were distributed within weeks, IIRC and there were plenty.

 

All skaters are focused when they're on the ice. The grand majority of them, in my experience, don't make any eye contact with the crowd until the competition is over. Some of them do it during practice and some do it during programs, but most of them act like the audience isn't even there. To be honest, for some I think that's an effort, but for Yuzu, most of the time, it really seems like he blocks out everything. I don't think that was the case during the 6 minute warmup, although he was focused and intense enough to appear annoyed. And like I said, I can believe he really was, because he was in competition mode. He probably doesn't appreciate jokes or anything other than his music and his coaches' advices when he's like that.

 

Anyway, while I agree that cheering has to be respectful - which is also why, like I said earlier, I'm more in favor of wordless cheering than calling out the names of skaters, as that is more open to interpretation - I think we shouldn't exaggerate with policing it either. I think being able to withstand the psychological pressure of crowds cheering for your rival is also part of being an athlete (as long as the cheering is just in support of said rival and not done just to rattle you). Like, there was an article at one point where the writer claimed it was unfair to Shoma that he had to skate after Yuzu and the atmosphere of excitement that followed Yuzu's free skate in Pyeongchang and that if not for that, maybe he would have won and not Yuzu. Leaving aside that Javi had to do that, too, it's up to an athlete to withstand such pressure, or else, they'd all have to skate with no audience, to ensure utter fairness from that POV. IMO, the right attitude to have, when the crowd cheers for your rival, is to grab their attention and make them cheer for you, instead, like Yuzu did at GPF'15. But of course, not all skaters can do that.

 

Actually, one of my pet peeves with cheering at competitions is people who keep cheering and shouting messages even as the skater is taking their starting position. It always makes me cringe. I'm more in the cheer as they're introduced, then shut up and let them focus and get into the program mindframe. I find that much more grating than even cheering for successful jumps, because that's celebrating - the same way cheering after a failed jump is encouraging - because those few moments before the program is when skaters need to gather themselves and focus. And if you keep screaming at them, that's much harder to do. But that could be just me.

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1 hour ago, rockstaryuzu said:

I don't think the pooh rain is actually forbidden outright.

Maybe somebody should tell that to the new head of JSF :emoticonaci2019_2:

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12 hours ago, yuzuangel said:

I wouldn't say only a small portion of his fans think he is a human being with his own thought and individuality. I think most fans think like that -- definitely the majority -- but by definition the fans that are trying to be the loudest usually are. Most of us also put him on a pedestal, too, because well, he belongs there, but we still understand that he's human and feels all that which comes with being human.

 

Most fans at ACI were great sports, and so many people cheered for so many skaters that it warmed my heart. The way people were cheering for Harry Mattick (and his adorable reactions to those fans), and the way the crowd supported the Filipino skater (Edrian?) who lost steam halfway through his program was all really nice to see. The skaters sure looked like that appreciated that. I wouldn't be surprised if going to ACI were both an intimidating but also awesome experience for skaters just because Yuzu would most likely attend and "bring" his loud and fun fanclub in tow :D

I was at 4CC this year, and you should have heard the cheers for the American skaters, so I don't think it's only Yuzu who has a loud fan club. :nod2:

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3 hours ago, anski said:

I think cheering is great and you can tell skaters appreciate the audience’s support. However, we shouldn’t forget that these are athletes about to risk the work of months in a couple of minutes. Many of them like to be very focused and visualize their skate before taking the ice etc so I think we shouldn’t behave like we’re in a rock concert either.

 

Well, figure skating is that kind of sport that is 50% athletics and 50% show/entertainment. The top skaters ARE rockstars and it's their no. 1 goal to make the crowd freak out, move them to tears and create masterpieces that will be celebrated and remembered forever. In the era of Yags, Plushy and later Joubert the crowd totally escalated as well and that's great. A sport needs an infectious, euphoric atmosphere to attract new fans and stay alive. I think that every skater prefers a wild, enthusiastic crowd to empty seats or silent monks anytime.

 

And let's be honest: no one forces Yuzu to build up the suspense over 5-6 months and reveal his programs and costumes last minute in competition. He could simply do it in early summer like most skaters do and calm down everybody beforehand. But that's obviously not the case, so my conclusion is that he likes it the way it is and that's totally fine. It's part of the show and something would be missing without it, aye?

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7 hours ago, shanshani said:

eh, depends on the opera house. it's normal for the audience to heckle the stars at La Scala, and led to a few walk-outs. that opera house is pretty legendary for its, uh, loud and opinionated patrons, actually. :14066882:

 

anyway, I think people are wringing their hands too much over people just having some fun. idk, I think people get way too worked up over supposed fan bad behavior in FS. other sports like hockey and football literally cause riots. figure skating fans being a bit extra rowdy? doesn't really strike me as a serious issue. plus, I think it's pretty ungenerous to impute onto rowdy fans motives like “they were trying to making it about themselves,” any more than it would be right for them to say things like “you're complaining about us because it gives you a feeling of superiority.” a bit of silliness, rowdiness, and over-passion is just part of being human, and part of following a sport. let us be the ridiculous creatures that we are!:tumblr_inline_mqt4grU8ua1qz4rgp:

 

anyway, if Yuzu dislikes it, then let him make that clearly known, and fans will either respect his wishes or get fairly criticized for not doing so. he's an adult and fully capable of expressing himself, and should do so if he has strong feelings and preferences about this. he's not a child in need of coddling, we don't have to protect him from every little thing that could plausibly cause him the tiniest bit of unease. trust him to speak up if he feels the need. meanwhile, we shouldn't jump to conclusions about his inner life based on stray expressions either. impressions of other people's thoughts and feelings can often be wrong, and even though we feel like we may know Yuzu, of course, we really don't. (And people misread the feelings of people they know well all the time too.)

 

I agree. One of the greatest things about sports, in general, is that it's exciting and unpredictable. And this is why people follow sports and buy expensive tickets and travel just to see their heroes in real life. And especially with this year having no media day, people were probably over-excited to see Yuzu, especially since most fans didn't expect a new costume.

 

Figure skating federations and fans should be grateful that this sport has a superstar like Yuzu who has the power to basically single-handedly fill entire ice rinks and stadiums and create such a level of excitement. I think this is pretty unique in the history of figure skating. There have always been stars, but no one with even ten percent of the star power of Yuzu. That's why even Western media call him a rockstar on ice.

 

Let's enjoy it as long as we can because once Yuzu doesn't compete anymore, I'm afraid the stands in figure skating competitions will be pretty empty except for the ones in Russia and Japan. Just look at the non-Yuzu challenger competitions. The only comps that were a full house this season so far were ACI, Russian Test Skates and the JGP in Russia. And we all know why ACI was full.

 

I've been watching the Athletics World Championships in the last few days and the absence of Usain Bolt is so obvious. There's no one who can even nearly fill the huge hole that he left after his retirement. Sports aren't half as interesting or exciting without such superstars that can draw the masses in. That's why it's even more of a mystery why the ISU and skating federations treat Yuzu more like he's a nuisance instead of worshipping the ground he's walking on.

 

To be honest, I wasn't at ACI myself, but I watched lots of fan cams and to me, it feels more like the audience was just super excited and happy to see Yuzu and also other skaters. That created a great atmosphere also for the other skaters. I think no athlete enjoys to perform in front of empty stands or a quiet and unresponsive audience. It's an important part of sports competitions.

 

Of course, all the cheering and clapping should be respectful and not disturb any athletes, but that was certainly the case at ACI. It's part of being an athlete to be able to shut out distractions and focus on one's performance under any circumstances. We shouldn't underestimate Yuzu and other skaters and speculate that they couldn't handle that kind of thing. And again, let's enjoy all the excitement and shenanigans, the Pooh-rains, cheering crowds and full stadiums as long as we can. :dancingpooh:

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2 hours ago, KatjaThera said:

At Japan Nationals this year, throwing gifts on the ice is forbidden. Which a lot of people think is ridiculous, because if Japan doesn't have flower boys and girls, then nobody does. It started with banning banners, then slowly only allowing certain areas of the audience to throw gifts, to not banning gift throwing altogether (and I'm pretty sure it's in reaction to fans banding together at Worlds, so those in areas where throwing was allowed, also threw for those who weren't allowed to). Given that Yuzu gets the most banners and most gifts, it's hard not to think this is a move against him.

Actually, I can't believe JSF is that dumb and announced it THREE MONTHS before JNats. Now fanyus have a lot of time to prepare something in exchange, with banners or whatever they are still allowed to do.:happy0007:

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13 minutes ago, Paskud said:

Actually, I can't believe JSF is that dumb and announced it THREE MONTHS before JNats. Now fanyus have a lot of time to prepare something in exchange, with banners or whatever they are still allowed to do.:happy0007:

 

I can see the battle between organizers and fans already.

 

1st round: ban any kind of gift throwing ---> okay, then we hold up banners and posters

2nd round: ban any kind of item (banners, posters, handbags, drinks etc.) ---> okay, then we print messages on our shirts

3rd round: ban any kind of clothing ---> okay, then we do body painting

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Just now, Henni147 said:

 

I can see the battle between organizers and fans already.

 

1st round: ban any kind of gift throwing ---> okay, then we hold up banners and posters

2nd round: ban any kind of item (banners, handbags, drinks etc.) ---> okay, then we print messages on our shirts

3rd round: ban any kind of clothing ---> okay, then we do body painting

Remember that they banned throwing gifts ON ICE. Not on, say, K&C.:tumblr_m9gcraReGL1qzckow:

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3 часа назад, KatjaThera сказал:

Actually, one of my pet peeves with cheering at competitions is people who keep cheering and shouting messages even as the skater is taking their starting position. It always makes me cringe. I'm more in the cheer as they're introduced, then shut up and let them focus and get into the program mindframe. I find that much more grating than even cheering for successful jumps, because that's celebrating - the same way cheering after a failed jump is encouraging - because those few moments before the program is when skaters need to gather themselves and focus. And if you keep screaming at them, that's much harder to do. But that could be just me.

I totally agree with this. It's OK cheering when skater is introduced, but shouting when he takes starting position is the worst. And I know that happened to Russian skaters several times - in the moments like these I want to say "geez, people, it's not hockey!"

Other times I find FS fans rather supportive of everyone - clapping for good jumps or being supportive when skater has a meltdown. So even if it was over the top enthusiastic reaction this one time at ACI, overall I don't find there're problems in fan's behavior.

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在2019/9/26 at AM6點17分, Yuzurella說:

Translation of Yuzu's interview in the Ajinomoto recipe book.

All the food in this book looks delicious. :drool1:

This make me want to taste the rice ball......even i don't like eat rice much....

 

在2019/9/29 at AM12點24分, SuzyQ說:

JSF has announced the details of the Nationals  (Dec. 19-22)

Another bloody ticket battle is to begin  :worship: :smiley-angelic001: :bow:

 

https://skatingjapan.or.jp/common/img/event/19AllJapan_summary_information0929.pdf

 

The website page has just started:

http://ajfigure.jp/

 

But I think I can see my future after the lottery :smiley-sick030:

 

Are there foreigner lottery for national?

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