General Yuzuru Chat

[shanshani]

1 minute ago, Figure_Frenzy said:

 

Wait why not 4A before 4F... 

Maybe he thinks he can get 4F up to competition-ready consistency before he can get 4A up to it? Even if it winds up being 4F!, that’s only a minor GOE deduction.

[wildstrawberry]

Just now, Figure_Frenzy said:

 

Wait why not 4A before 4F... 

more importantly,why not 4F before 4Lz...

[KatjaThera]

10 minutes ago, getsurenka said:

 

Oh wow, there goes my sanity.

Huh that's surprising... I guess that big brain has been at work hard since Saturday, because on Saturday he said he wants the axel and after that, since he did that anyway, he wants all the quads (with a why not sort of feel to it).

 

It makes sense, though. He has been talking about toe jumps and how they're more stable across different types of ice, so it makes sense he wants to get those in his arsenal first. I just hope EDEA can create some custom boots with tremendous energy dampening coating, so his ankle will take as little damage as possible from toe picking... unlikely, though, sadly...

[Indiiea]

I was a lot less worried when it was just a 4A..

[Figure_Frenzy]

9 minutes ago, shanshani said:

Even if it winds up being 4F!, that’s only a minor GOE deduction.

 

Oh come on, Yuzu's flip side has been consistently inside for some time now , deep flip edge is even rarer than deep Lutz edge (though it can be argued that both are just as rare nowadays ). 

 

Well, I'll just see how it goes then...

[Marte]

25 minutes ago, wildstrawberry said:

 

The Trifecta of Awful (ISU,JSF,USFSA): is this a challenge?

Watch the nefarious pooh rain become the first thing on their plate at the next general ISU congress.it's not like anyone there is eager to address any of the glaring issues they have in their sport rn,so Poohgate might be a very welcomed distraction.  

 

To be honest this whole situation is hilarious and sad at the same time....

I don't know what to think anymore. By the way "poohgate" is brilliant

[Ania]

I have one thing to add abt the Rain

Kids love it so it wouldn't be that hard to find more help and claen the ice faster.

Or hire yags  

[shanshani]

3 minutes ago, Figure_Frenzy said:

 

Oh come on, Yuzu's flip side has been consistently inside for some time now , deep flip edge is even rarer than deep Lutz edge (though it can be argued that both are just as rare nowadays ). 

 

Well, I'll just see how it goes then...

On the other hand, judging by the number of 4/3F! calls lately, apparently everyone has trouble with their flip edges  I think the flip is traditionally jumped off a shallow edge though (it certainly is in those weird ISU mannequin jump demo videos), unlike the lutz. 

[airi]

18 minutes ago, KatjaThera said:

I think us fans are a bit too emotionally high strung these days, which is understandable. But I think we all need to take a few steps back and relax a bit. I myself find myself first reacting aggressively to stuff I see mentioned on twitter, only to then find the original sources and calm down.

 

While I agree that this JSF thing could have been handled better, especially by offering to improve organization to make sure there will never be issues for any skaters, it wasn't really as bad as a lot of people are making it seem. He didn't say Yuzu fans are evil spawns interfering with other skaters. He gave a somewhat diplomatic answer about how it's something to consider, for the sake of balance and fairness but thankfully, it was definitely not an issue this time. (If that person was actually complaining for Shoma, tough luck, I guess.) I agree that saying they have to consider leaves room for interpretation that indeed the fan behavior could be an issue, but he was fairly diplomatic, so it's not that bad. It's certainly not Raf's statement. However, it is very bad timing. Probably by accident.

 

Similarly, the things yesterday about the interview with Shuzo. Everyone was crying all over the place and I still don't get why. If it was any surprise to anyone that Yuzu practices his heart out and that he sometimes breaks down and cries afterwards, I'd say that someone probably doesn't know him. He is so emotionally invested in this, of course there would be times like that. For all that we call him an alien, he's still human. It's a normal human reaction and live everyone, he has good days and bad days. It's precious he chooses to be open and share these things with us. It shouldn't be a shock. Overall, though, he was so fired up in the interview. Eager to get back into it and challenge and win decisively over everyone else. It was a great thing to see. I don't see why everyone focused on the sad part, when you had a Yuzu virtually bouncing in his chair with excitement and fire.

 

And I think it was in the same interview, though I'm not sure if that was translated, where he said something like, going into Worlds, there was a general expectation that because he had won in Pyeongchang under similar circumstances, he would do it again. And that when this huge bubble of expectation burst, there was of course disappointment, but also freedom. He was free of that expectation. Can you even imagine the pressure of that? To be injured, on painkillers and still have everyone expect you to win. In a way, this might actually have been the best possible result for him, because in some ways, he seems reborn.

 

This also brings me to the subject of fan projects. I admit I'm biased because for personal reasons, I'm not a huge fan of fan projects, but I also wonder if it's really what he needs now. Fans are tremendous support, but they are also pressure. It can be good or it can be bad. It could make him more fired up or stress him. It depends mostly on where he is mentally, I guess. I don't remember hearing anything from him about apologizing to fans for his performance or anything of that sort. He seemed to understand fans support him no matter what and the disappointment was all his own. So I don't think he doubts our support now. Personally, I'd rather he gets some peace and quiet for a while, until he comes out of his cave again. But of course, everyone is free to think and do otherwise.

 

As for the scoring, I believe going over whether he would have won or not is pointless. The past is in the past and we can't change it. Yuzu doesn't want to squeak past an overscored Nathan by a point or two with his current technical content. He wants to up his technical content so that he will be unbeatable. No matter what Nathan or the judges or anyone else does. He wants to win decisively when EVERYONE is squeaky clean. That's what he's always wanted. He reached that level for a while, now he only has to reach it again. So whether he would have won or not is irrelevant by now. He didn't win. He'll do his best to get the tools to prevent that from happening again. Let's just look forward to this fantastic crazy ride he'll take us on and rejoice imagining the incredible programs he'll show us in the process.

 

However, I do think that we shouldn't completely give up on pointing out judgement errors. But that should be done as factually as possible. Detailed rescoring with arguments, based on the ISU's own rulebook (I loved those recores on twitter, but I felt for the FS some more arguments would have helped more, for example). Annotated videos. Side-by-side videos. Analysis. Anything less will only make us look like bitter fans. And with these, trying to reach the people who might actually be able to do something. Judges, federation members, even media. Max will be on board, but it takes more than that. Us fighting among ourselves will not help, and arguing with fans of other skaters will help even less, I think.

Those are almost exactly my thoughts. I felt lately that a lot of things is taken by fans out of context and proportion. Sorry not sorry?

 

I wouldn't totally trust Yuzu with what he will try first, I mean, he has a plan now, buy it may change 100 times depending on circumstances, let's just wait and see.

[Katt]

11 minutes ago, KatjaThera said:

While I agree that this JSF thing could have been handled better, especially by offering to improve organization to make sure there will never be issues for any skaters, it wasn't really as bad as a lot of people are making it seem. He didn't say Yuzu fans are evil spawns interfering with other skaters. He gave a somewhat diplomatic answer about how it's something to consider, for the sake of balance and fairness but thankfully, it was definitely not an issue this time. (If that person was actually complaining for Shoma, tough luck, I guess.) I agree that saying they have to consider leaves room for interpretation that indeed the fan behavior could be an issue, but he was fairly diplomatic, so it's not that bad. It's certainly not Raf's statement. However, it is very bad timing. Probably by accident.

 

 

I think the timing is terrible, accident or not. He posted the vid on 23rd, the anti replied him on 25th (after Raf's Rus article out ) and he answered it today. I found its weird that JSF VP choose to answer a random person on twitter and the fact that's come from anti make everything worse. 

[yuzuangel]

16 minutes ago, shanshani said:

On the other hand, judging by the number of 4/3F! calls lately, apparently everyone has trouble with their flip edges  I think the flip is traditionally jumped off a shallow edge though (it certainly is in those weird ISU mannequin jump demo videos), unlike the lutz. 

Honestly I don't believe in 4F! because I think a jump is either a lutz or a flip. and if it's not an outside edge, it's a flip, even if the edge is more or less flat. Having a flat edge doesn't change the dynamics of the flip very much (whereas for the lutz it completely changes it). And tbf, it's impossible to be on a completely flat edge anyway, so either 4F! is a really shallow outside edge lutz with leeway before giving it e, or it's a flip. 

[4Nessie]

42 minutes ago, getsurenka said:

 

Oh wow, there goes my sanity.

 

Well, do we need to worry about that WC journalist and his health now? I mean, Yuzu would surely like to keep his promise... 

Or does he want to do all that until next season...?

[Frenchkiss70]

48 minutes ago, getsurenka said:

 

Oh wow, there goes my sanity.

I’ll trust Yuzu while silently drown the last of my sanity in wine

[Figure_Frenzy]

37 minutes ago, shanshani said:

I think the flip is traditionally jumped off a shallow edge though (it certainly is in those weird ISU mannequin jump demo videos), unlike the lutz.

 

Yes, this is what I mean. The (bogus) Flip calls though, I...sorta blocked them out of my mind.... 

[Lambari]

Does anyone know if there is an english translation for the chinese broadcast of Origin? It seems that it was the same person that made that poetic comment about a warrior and a storm for his Olympic win.  And she seems pretty excited in this.  

 

 

Here's the full program: https://www.bilibili.com/video/av47127320