October 27, 20187 yr 45 minutes ago, Bilge said: Talking about conflict... just because an error is common doesn't make it suddenly not an error what kind of logic is that
October 27, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, axelnojutsu said: just because an error is common doesn't make it suddenly not an error what kind of logic is that Am i seeing things? the back of Shoma's blade did not hit the ice at @ 0:36 ? What slo-mo doesn't do any justice?
October 27, 20187 yr Just now, Bilge said: Am i seeing things? the back of Shoma's blade did not hit the ice at @ 0:36 ? What slo-mo doesn't do any justice? I'm sorry, slomo doesn't do jumps justice, we should all refer to our superior jack's intuition and eyesight for technical calls from now on
October 27, 20187 yr Jackie thinks he's the only one who's ever skated to know that? Max Ambesi was a skater, too. But you can see from his answers, he's trying to invent things. Only because Shoma doesn't slip off of his edge, doesn't mean that he doesn't put weight on it. Being the last foot to leave the ice, how could it be possible that there is no weight on it??
October 27, 20187 yr 9 minutes ago, Murieleirum said: Jackie thinks he's the only one who's ever skated to know that? Max Ambesi was a skater, too. But you can see from his answers, he's trying to invent things. Only because Shoma doesn't slip off of his edge, doesn't mean that he doesn't put weight on it. Being the last foot to leave the ice, how could it be possible that there is no weight on it?? ikr?! tell him max.
October 27, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, Murieleirum said: Jackie thinks he's the only one who's ever skated to know that? Max Ambesi was a skater, too. But you can see from his answers, he's trying to invent things. Only because Shoma doesn't slip off of his edge, doesn't mean that he doesn't put weight on it. Being the last foot to leave the ice, how could it be possible that there is no weight on it?? Jackie needs to make money. He can gain popularity/opportunities/money by being nice to powerful skaters/feds.
October 27, 20187 yr I mean of course he's not on the entire blade the entire time he's picking, but that doesn't mean it's not a bad takeoff
October 28, 20187 yr 8 hours ago, Bilge said: ikr?! tell him max. lol Every jump takes off from the toe is such a zinger from Max there. Like, what happens during the picking process until the split second when you leave the ice matters, too.
October 28, 20187 yr Jackie keeps shifting the goal posts in his explanations too, first it’s not a blade take off the slomo is just bad then it’s well he’s not fully on the blade and now it’s well he completely goes down on the blade but he goes back up on the toe so it’s fine I’m so glad Max is out there taking no bs
October 28, 20187 yr hey guys, i was referred to this thread for my questions. I'm just having a hard time understanding how the goe is calculated looking at the protocols. So I understand its based on percentage of the base value i.e +1 means 10% of base value. But what if its an avg among the 9 judges? or do we drop the highest and lowest scores and average by 7? Even so, how would an average of say +2.33 translate into goe score? Also, regarding edge and UR calls, does anyone know how many judges need to call it to "make it official"?
October 28, 20187 yr @makebelieveup -All GPs comp, ISU championship have 9 judges so the final GOE/PCS is avarage by 7 with highest and lowest score were taken out. The Senior B comp usually have 7 judges and they take average by 5. Alot of local comp only has 5 judges. http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/gpcan2018/gpcan2018_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf For example, look at Evgenia first 2A in her LP. The GOE are : 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 2 2 A +3 and +1 are out then we have 3 +3 and 4 +2 . (3x0.99 + 4x0.66)/7= 0.8 - As for the UR and edge calls and levels, judges don't call it, its technical panel. There's Technical Controller, Technical Specialist, Assistant Technical Specialist. As far as I know, tech specialist has the most power. There's tough and easy tech panel. People at COC 2016 said Shin Amano took note alot, more than most tech specialist they've seen. All the UR and edge calls were reviewed after the performance, then the judges would change GOE accordingly. That's why you would see TES drop when they announce the score. For example Evgenia's lutzes in her LP got +1,43 and +1.38 GOE in realtime, but since tech panel call (!) and (e), it drop to 0.67 and -0.57.
October 28, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, Katt said: @makebelieveup -All GPs comp, ISU championship have 9 judges so the final GOE/PCS is avarage by 7 with highest and lowest score were taken out. The Senior B comp usually have 7 judges and they take average by 5. Alot of local comp only has 5 judges. http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/gpcan2018/gpcan2018_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf For example, look at Evgenia first 2A in her LP. The GOE are : 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 2 2 A +3 and +1 are out then we have 3 +3 and 4 +2 . (3x0.99 + 4x0.66)/7= 0.8 - As for the UR and edge calls and levels, judges don't call it, its technical panel. There's Technical Controller, Technical Specialist, Assistant Technical Specialist. As far as I know, tech specialist has the most power. There's tough and easy tech panel. People at COC 2016 said Shin Amano took note alot, more than most tech specialist they've seen. All the UR and edge calls were reviewed after the performance, then the judges would change GOE accordingly. That's why you would see TES drop when they announce the score. For example Evgenia's lutzes in her LP got +1,43 and +1.38 GOE in realtime, but since tech panel call (!) and (e), it drop to 0.67 and -0.57. Thank you so much for explaining! It helps me a lot in understanding how the GOE system works!
October 28, 20187 yr 3 hours ago, Katt said: @makebelieveup -All GPs comp, ISU championship have 9 judges so the final GOE/PCS is avarage by 7 with highest and lowest score were taken out. The Senior B comp usually have 7 judges and they take average by 5. Alot of local comp only has 5 judges. http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/gpcan2018/gpcan2018_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf For example, look at Evgenia first 2A in her LP. The GOE are : 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 2 2 A +3 and +1 are out then we have 3 +3 and 4 +2 . (3x0.99 + 4x0.66)/7= 0.8 - As for the UR and edge calls and levels, judges don't call it, its technical panel. There's Technical Controller, Technical Specialist, Assistant Technical Specialist. As far as I know, tech specialist has the most power. There's tough and easy tech panel. People at COC 2016 said Shin Amano took note alot, more than most tech specialist they've seen. All the UR and edge calls were reviewed after the performance, then the judges would change GOE accordingly. That's why you would see TES drop when they announce the score. For example Evgenia's lutzes in her LP got +1,43 and +1.38 GOE in realtime, but since tech panel call (!) and (e), it drop to 0.67 and -0.57. SC was the first time I've taken a good look at protocols because I wanted to make videos, and this exact score from Evgenia's jump stumped me, lmao! Before that I just looked at GOEs and no the judge's score. Thank goodness you explained here. Thank you!
October 28, 20187 yr https://mobile.twitter.com/max_ambesi/status/1056274778338803712 Max keeps blasting people lol take cover
October 28, 20187 yr 1 minute ago, Murieleirum said: https://mobile.twitter.com/max_ambesi/status/1056274778338803712 Max keeps blasting people lol take cover Bless him lol
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