Xen Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, xeyra said: If a high, wide, fully-rotated and landed on one foot jump is in itself to be marked as +2... what will happen to the 0 and +1 GOE and how much will one need to do to earn +3-+5? They're basically moving the ballpark to +2 instead of 0... so +2 will be a normal jump? Will +3 to +5 require creative entry/exit/steps/rippon/etc? That kind of begs the question, what's the point of a 0 or +1 GOE then? Especially if SO, Two foot etc require an automatic neg GOE. You might as well consider those 2 points in GOEs non-existent. And besides the point, the issue is judges tend to just reward automatically GOEs on quads for certain bullet points, such as height, speed and distance, regardless of the jump height, simply because it's assumed a quad jump would require more of all three (and here I thought it had to be standout compared to the other jumps of the same difficulty). Judges also seem to see more "good flow on exit" than I do. And while Lakernik didn't say about ties to BV, it seems that Bianchetti is the one who mentioned the ties to BV? So which is it? I think if they don't automatically tie it to GOE, with a BV deflation it might balance out to be almost 50/50 TES/PCS. But if you tie it to BV...checking my data, the final difference between jumps in TES is even higher. And I don't think it'll discourge guys from going for risky jumps...they will drop their lowest value jumps, and I guess for some it's the 4T. The difference is enough that in order to do well, men's have to have a consistent, stable 4T and 4S at least. It also devalues the 3A so I'm not happy considering how many guys can do quads but still fail a 3A. If anything, I'd keep the 3A value the same, and deflate the other quads a little bit. This makes at least 1 triple jump quite viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelnojutsu Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, xeyra said: If a high, wide, fully-rotated and landed on one foot jump is in itself to be marked as +2... what will happen to the 0 and +1 GOE and how much will one need to do to earn +3-+5? They're basically moving the ballpark to +2 instead of 0... so +2 will be a normal jump? Will +3 to +5 require creative entry/exit/steps/rippon/etc? that was my thought as well, landing the jump and not URing should be the absolute base and not get extra points already wth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xen Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 @ralucutzagy and for those who are wondering what Yuzu's PC LP might have been, and if you have to use math against some what-ifs that still seem to be on-going Spoiler Planned layout: 4S 4T 3F// 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 3A2T 3Lo 3Lz Spins: FCCoSp4, FCSSp4, CCoSp4 Steps: StSq4, ChSq Perfect GOE (+3) everything: 127.39 Not hitting the combo on the 4T1Lo3S and changing the 3A2T and then getting StSq3: cost him about 5.43 points in BV. Probably closer to 9-10 points if we factor in GOEs he normally could get for his original planned combos. Then there was the issue with the 3Lz with -GOE. If he hit clean on everything and gets around the same GOEs he normally gets: TES could have gone around 121.93 If he just hit the above with no additional GOEs or additional PCS: 211.6 If you add additional GOEs he normally gets: probably around 218 If there are any additional PCs he might have received if he goes perfectly clean: maybe close to 220 He may not have broken H&L record, but boy, if he went perfectly clean, he was very very close, to seimei 1.0 record, if not beat it outright. Fully clean with lv 4 stsq would have netted him at least an additional 11 points if you just factor BV and GOEs, which would have made his winning gap even larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaeryth Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Figure skaters before/after photos. Forget vampire Yuzu... the true figure skating vampire who doesn't age is Nobu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danibellerika Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Looking at the World medal compared to the Olympic one, Worlds, 4CC, and Euros should be ashamed of themselves. And then the individual segments are even smaller!! If one is the size of a dollar coin the short program and long program are the size of the dime. So lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, Danibellerika said: Looking at the World medal compared to the Olympic one, Worlds, 4CC, and Euros should be ashamed of themselves. And then the individual segments are even smaller!! If one is the size of a dollar coin the short program and long program are the size of the dime. So lame. but at least the new one since Euros 2018 are a tad bigger , but yeah nothing compares to the Olympic ones especially those that Yuzu got The Sochi and Pyeongchang medal were really beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinemacoconut Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Anya said: but at least the new one since Euros 2018 are a tad bigger , but yeah nothing compares to the Olympic ones especially those that Yuzu got The Sochi and Pyeongchang medal were really beautiful I jst saw skate america medals and im in shock. They really look like plastic with zero gold inside. .... Doesnt us figure skating have alot of money? At least skate canada medals are glass with a bit of gold at the rim.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, cinemacoconut said: I jst saw skate america medals and im in shock. They really look like plastic with zero gold inside But at least they're medals, unlike France's STARS!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinemacoconut Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Anya said: But at least they're medals, unlike France's STARS!!!!! Maybe they have little sponsorship. Poor france. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamotejojo Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, Anya said: But at least they're medals, unlike France's STARS!!!!! Never forget: SOURCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinemacoconut Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Do u have the sns link to the person who shared their plastic Gpf 2016 medal online in instagram or something? I wnt to see it and laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamotejojo Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 hours ago, cinemacoconut said: Do u have the sns link to the person who shared their plastic Gpf 2016 medal online in instagram or something? I wnt to see it and laugh Were you asking me? Just in case Spoiler Gif source: https://blckbetty.tumblr.com/post/167629454008/gabriella-papadakis-during-the-medal-star-ceremony Original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN_tYsMgNFQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeyra Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Nathan mentions Yuzuru in an interview prior to Worlds: Quote “Honestly, I was a little disappointed that Yuzu pulled [out of worlds],” Chen said (Hanyu cited a right ankle injury that kept him out of competition from November until the Olympics). “Obviously, he needs to get healthy. I don’t know what his future entails, but I wanted to have him there. It really ups the ante of the competition. Everyone definitely feels his presence and Javi’s presence.” (source) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OonsieHui Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, xeyra said: Nathan mentions Yuzuru in an interview prior to Worlds: I may not like his programmes, and US media may have really tried their best to sour my perspective of him and bias me against him, but in interviews he really is a decent guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danibellerika Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 5 hours ago, xeyra said: Nathan mentions Yuzuru in an interview prior to Worlds: "Nathan Chen is arguably a bigger favorite at this week’s world championships than going into the Olympics" Jeee, that's an interesting new tune than what they weren't singing going into the Olympics. This would be news to me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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