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1 時間前, micaelisさんが言いました:

I seriously wonder how much disinformation we are getting from Yuzu.  Not that he's lying but putting a different spin on things.  I just can't imagine that he's tried the 4A a thousand times and never landed it.  I think it's fairly likely he is landing them but not perfectly.  Until his 4As are competition-ready he's not saying he's doing them.  We have to know Yuzu and I think most of us will agree that Yuzu never says he's capable of doing something until he's capable of doing something perfectly.

 

Whatever his 4A condition is, I will just wait patiently until he decides to show us.

 

4 時間前, Henni147さんが言いました:

Imagine a quad Baxel with +270° pre-rotation and +180° short on the landing ratified as a "first".

I think Yuzu would cry rivers of pain... and us, too... :13877886:

 

If they really ratify a 4A like this, I will proudly convince my coach that my underrotated attempt is actually a textbook Axel lol. :yucky:

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3 hours ago, micaelis said:

I seriously wonder how much disinformation we are getting from Yuzu.  Not that he's lying but putting a different spin on things.  I just can't imagine that he's tried the 4A a thousand times and never landed it.  I think it's fairly likely he is landing them but not perfectly.  Until his 4As are competition-ready he's not saying he's doing them.  We have to know Yuzu and I think most of us will agree that Yuzu never says he's capable of doing something until he's capable of doing something perfectly.

 

As for myself, listening to his answers and explanations in Japanese without reference to the English translations, I definitely got the sense that he is telling the truth when he said that he has not landed a single quad Axel in all of his attempts. He said that he found himself questioning whether it is humanly possible. He is now thinking that it is a totally different jump from the triple Axel. He is coming to the realization that he has to approach this jump totally differently than he has the triple Axel. These are not the words of someone who has landed this jump, no matter how imperfectly. I just pray that he does not injure himself, remains healthy and achieves his dream.

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14 hours ago, citrusjunos said:

Max talks about Yuzu and how much he enjoys commentating. Says he first saw him at Junior Worlds and fell in love at first sight after seeing his huge 3A. Truly an OG fanyu. Oh, and apparently, Angelo's a coach now.

This post has been tagged by yuzuangel as [NEWS].

Gosh can you imagine Max and Yuzuru having a conversation?! :smiley-talk030::blabla:

(they both love talking A LOT don't they!! :smiley-talk005:let ME talk now!!  :LOL: 

(I love listening to both of them on the subject of FS and Yuzuru tbh!)

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19 minutes ago, Pammi said:

Gosh can you imagine Max and Yuzuru having a conversation?! :smiley-talk030::blabla:

(they both love talking A LOT don't they!! :smiley-talk005:let ME talk now!!  :LOL: 

(I love listening to both of them on the subject of FS and Yuzuru tbh!)

Once, facetious French journalists managed to have ("unstoppably talkative") royalty and horse races journalist Léon Zitrone, interview the great pianist Artur Rubinstein. Léon Zitrone could hardly open the mouth. Now, that's because of course Léon Zitrone was too much in awe to dare to interrupt Artur Rubinstein, as I suppose would be Massimiliano Ambesi with Yuzuru Hanyu.

One could try with Alena Kostornaia who's also a skater and certainly sympathetic to him, but I'm sure she would be quite as much in awe as would be Massimiliano Ambesi.

PLUS Yuzuru Hanyu may have a reputation of talkativeness in Japanese, I'm not sure it would happen in English.

PLUS Italian (if you believe the French) is a special language which can also be spoken with hands. :wiggle:

(In our first years of marriage, my husband and I would sometimes have two simultaneous conversations on different subjects going on, one answering the other while the other was answering the first etc. Quite funny but tiring.)

Not sure it is this video?

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Geo1 said:

As for myself, listening to his answers and explanations in Japanese without reference to the English translations, I definitely got the sense that he is telling the truth when he said that he has not landed a single quad Axel in all of his attempts. He said that he found himself questioning whether it is humanly possible. He is now thinking that it is a totally different jump from the triple Axel. He is coming to the realization that he has to approach this jump totally differently than he has the triple Axel. These are not the words of someone who has landed this jump, no matter how imperfectly. I just pray that he does not injure himself, remains healthy and achieves his dream.

My memory might be misleading me but didn't Yuzu say when he was finally back on the ice after the infamous fall seen around the world that he had worked up to a double axel but just couldn't get the triple axel until he essentially made himself forget how to do a double axel and then the triple axel, well stored in his muscle memory, came back as clean as usual.  In the case now under discussion it might be that he should forget everything he knows about triple axels and see what develops.  A suggestion might be that he try going back to a double axel, something he hasn't routinely done in years, and see if he can go directly from that to a 4A and forget about the 3A.  

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37 minutes ago, Pammi said:

Gosh can you imagine Max and Yuzuru having a conversation?! :smiley-talk030::blabla:

(they both love talking A LOT don't they!! :smiley-talk005:let ME talk now!!  :LOL: 

(I love listening to both of them on the subject of FS and Yuzuru tbh!)

I'm pretty sure Max would have a fanboy moment, and I would not blame him :laughing: (though he'd probably be able to reel himself in better than any of us afterwards).

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37 minutes ago, micaelis said:

My memory might be misleading me but didn't Yuzu say when he was finally back on the ice after the infamous fall seen around the world that he had worked up to a double axel but just couldn't get the triple axel until he essentially made himself forget how to do a double axel and then the triple axel, well stored in his muscle memory, came back as clean as usual.  In the case now under discussion it might be that he should forget everything he knows about triple axels and see what develops.  A suggestion might be that he try going back to a double axel, something he hasn't routinely done in years, and see if he can go directly from that to a 4A and forget about the 3A.  

 

Whatever happens, if Yuzu wants a ratified 4A in competition AND a clean program around it, he cannot drop the 3A. It is a mandatory element in the men's short and essential in the free, too. With a 2A he can go home right away. Dropping the 3A would pretty much kill his chance to stay competitive.

 

Also, sacrificing a world heritage 3A for another jump that may not even come into existence would be absolute madness, even for Yuzuru Hanyu.

 

I think, the fact that the 3A and 4A turn out as two different jumps that require different technique altogether is actually a very good sign for him. That increases the chance that he can keep his 3A and train the 4A more independently.

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50 minutes ago, SitTwizzle said:

PLUS Yuzuru Hanyu may have a reputation of talkativeness in Japanese, I'm not sure it would happen in English.

PLUS Italian (if you believe the French) is a special language which can also be spoken with hands

Oh of course! They would both have to be fluent in either Japanese or Italian for this scenario to play out the way I imagine! :english1: (I bet Yuzu knows the words to Notte Stellata like the back of his hand by now, so that's a good start!!:words:)

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1 hour ago, micaelis said:

My memory might be misleading me but didn't Yuzu say when he was finally back on the ice after the infamous fall seen around the world that he had worked up to a double axel but just couldn't get the triple axel until he essentially made himself forget how to do a double axel and then the triple axel, well stored in his muscle memory, came back as clean as usual.  In the case now under discussion it might be that he should forget everything he knows about triple axels and see what develops.  A suggestion might be that he try going back to a double axel, something he hasn't routinely done in years, and see if he can go directly from that to a 4A and forget about the 3A.  

I believe he was struggling to jump a double, and Ghislain finally suggested that he try a triple. He landed it right away. It turned out that he had abandoned the double so long ago that his body no longer remembered how to do it. 
:muahaha:

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2 hours ago, Geo1 said:

 

As for myself, listening to his answers and explanations in Japanese without reference to the English translations, I definitely got the sense that he is telling the truth when he said that he has not landed a single quad Axel in all of his attempts. He said that he found himself questioning whether it is humanly possible. He is now thinking that it is a totally different jump from the triple Axel. He is coming to the realization that he has to approach this jump totally differently than he has the triple Axel. These are not the words of someone who has landed this jump, no matter how imperfectly. I just pray that he does not injure himself, remains healthy and achieves his dream.

While I was reading that part of the interview, I kept on thinking about his thesis and the motion capture idea...I wonder if it has occurred to Yuzu to try using motion capture technology to analyze his 4A attempts? Also, with the right set of coding skills, someone could probably create a computer model of an 'ideal' 4A and Yuzu could use that as his guideline for image training. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, rockstaryuzu said:

(...) I wonder if it has occurred to Yuzu to try using motion capture technology to analyze his 4A attempts? Also, with the right set of coding skills, someone could probably create a computer model of an 'ideal' 4A and Yuzu could use that as his guideline for image training. 

 

 

I'm sure it has; and he did.

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12 hours ago, amylance1215 said:

Didn't Osaka announce emergency lockdown and advise everyone to avoid unnecessary activities??? How is this allowed to go on I don't understand... :ohno:

For what I gathered from Roman and Nam (they did a completely useless live last night, but it was so entertaining 🤣) the skaters and tech team are not allowed out of the hotel or the rink. It looks like the hotel is all for skaters, but they keep roaming around the corridors, something without masks 🙄

 

I really don't know how Japan does it, but for a place where the SOE doesn't really mean locking down, they have very few covid cases and deaths, and after other comps with audience, I just pray things are as they seem and the athletes are safe.

 

On another note, I said earlier that the gala would not be streamed, but I found out it will, in case anyone wondered.

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14 hours ago, amylance1215 said:

Here's the BV increase in percentage. It's even clearer how ridiculous the BV for 4A is...

 

The % decreases along with the difficulty of the jump, completely illogical...

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