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Yuzuru has a lot of fans that are young and active on Twitter, because it's a niche interest so online communities are the only place you can really discuss the sport, plus we've got motivation because FS is a sport that is often overlooked. The difficulty of the sport is under-estimated. Our stars are under-valued. We have that push to make our voices heard.

 

Also, I don't think it's unfair to compare Yuzuru's fandom with Kpop, particularly in this case. Kpop fandoms have to be really internet savvy and frequently utilise highly organised mass streaming events or voting campaigns. That's why a Kpop group can get a million more votes than Justin Beiber for an MTV choice award or something. A lot of western music fans just don't have the same degree of online presence OR just don't have that use of the internet drilled into them, since KPOP fans do this basically daily for 3-4 weeks during a promotional period to try to get their faves a win on the music shows. A fair number of Yuzuru's fans, newer fans at least, have that kind of fandom background. I'm sure a decent chunk of his Japanese and Chinese fans are used to this kind of behaviour tbh. And even if not, that is kinda what we are doing - kinda organising for fans to go and just be loud about wanting Yuzuru to win even if it doesn't work out to be a real voting situation.

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  On 1/30/2019 at 11:15 PM, caterpillar said:

I also think it has to do with figure skating being a much smaller sport. Bigger, more accessible sports are easy to be causually interested in, but figure skating is obscure enough that to actually get into the sport in the first place you have to be quite dedicated. It is also easy to find fellow football or tennis fans in your everyday life, but with a niche sport like figure skating you are quite likely to be alone in your interest, and subsequently many people find fellow fans online instead, which gives the sport an active online "presence" despite its limited popularity. 

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I think you hit the nail on the head with this paragraph. Yuzuru is the first athlete, and Figure Skating is the first sport, I've followed online, but I've been a part of other online fandoms ( I was a Bronzer during it's heyday, if anyone here is familiar with Buffy The Vampire Slayer fandom, and I follow anime and manga sites that are rife with otaku), and well, Yuzu fandom is like that. It's a special thing people have to seek out on their own if they're interested. I mean, anyone can follow Real Madrid or the Toronto Maple Leafs (although why would you?,  in the case of the Leafs) just by popping down to the local pub or flicking on the TV, but if you want to see Yuzuru you have to work for it. 

 

Thus people have a sense of pride and, dare I say, responsibility, towards being a fan that leads to them being more active and vocal in their online support of him. 

 

That being said, I hope McMorris is also getting his share of support. Not to diminish Yuzu's achievement, but McMorris crashed into a tree at full speed and nearly ended up dead. To go from that to the Olympic podium only ten months later, when the fact he's even walking is some kind of miracle, is just, like, whoa!, dude. I'm awestruck. 

 

 

 

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  On 1/31/2019 at 2:39 AM, micaelis said:

Fundamentally I agree with you but I think you haven't taken your comparison of figure-skating with other activities.  You err, I think, in comparing figure skating to certain types of popular musicians.  There is some legitimacy in your statement but if I were making the case, I'd say that figure skating more closely resembles ballet, particularly in the sense that ballet, like figure skating, has a vocabulary of standard moves.  What many people don't know is that there are ballet competitions and the approach of the judges in those is very much like the approach figure skating judges do.  In ballet competitions it is very much a mix of athletics and aesthetics and make no mistake about it, a trained ballet dancer, male or female, is a trained athlete.  Ballet competitions, though, have even less of a following than figure skating has.  But the principles in both are the same.  The one difference is that ballet in performance is much more widespread than the figure-skating version - ice shows.  Moreover by and large ballet dancers at the top of the pecking order generally occupy a social position appreciably higher than an elite figure skater, part of this being that particularly with the well-established ballet companies there are direct links between the elite dancers and the public, particularly those wealthy donors who keep many companies financially afloat.

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Oh, I very much agree with you that figure skating is a lot more similar to ballet! A friend of mine in middle school did ballet, so I know how incredibly difficult and athletically demanding it is, as well as beautiful. I have never actually heard of a ballet competition, but it makes sense that they would be judged similarly to figure skating to encapulate all aspects of the sport. An even more obvious similarity to me is that several figure skating movement are clearly borrowed/inspired from ballet, even in name (arabesque and attitude spin comes to mind). In swedish, the vocabulary is even more similar (for example, it uses “pirouette” instead of “spin”). And there are a lot more similarities that don’t share the same name, even in the basic steps and positions, just as most modern dance often gets some of its basic movements from ballet. I think it’s clear that figure skating owes a lot of its fundamentals to ballet (though I don’t know enough about figure skating history to be sure), in a way it doesn’t to any other art form. 

 

But what I was trying to contrast was sports fandom and “arts fandom”, and what I have seen of the ballet fan-culture doesn’t appear very similar to that of figure skating (though this might admittedly have something to do with the fact that I haven’t noticed a ballet fandom online). My experience is limited by the fact that most musicians I really love died at least a hundred years ago, but it seems to me that some aspects of figure skating fandom, such as the focus on appearance in many different ways, and maybe also the way people tend to develop personal emotional connections to their favorite figure skaters (and I am definitely guilty of this as well), resemble fans of musicians and groups more than other sport fandoms. Other aspects, reasonably, puts us closer to sport fans.

 

And this is what I was getting at, really, that the “art” aspect of figure skating might be part of what makes the fandom different. This art aspect is much more similar to ballet and dance that anything else, but I haven’t seen much similarities between ballet and figure skating when it comes to fan base (probably for the reasons you mentioned), so it wasn’t ideal for exemplifying this particular aspect. 

 

 

(This is getting quite off-topic, but I thought you had a really good, interesting point so I wanted to clarify what I meant. I am not at all sure that this is a correct hypothesis, but it is interesting to think about :7938863:)

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Regarding the fandom, there are two things that help, imo:

The sport aspect full of adrenaline and surprises. You never know who is going to win because the ice is slippery...

The other thing is art and music. It is beautiful to watch and the music covers basicaly all styles you could like. And I can't imagine people making golf videos with Titanium or Coldplay songs. :68468287:

 

And which other sport has several pages long discussions about "chest or belly hair"... :rofl:

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@Interspectator from GS has posted a trantranslation of the NHK documentary.

Thank you very much for this huge effort.

 

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  On 1/30/2019 at 8:02 PM, Veveco said:

It's... almost painful to see actually. The Yuzu Laureus tweet has 1000+ likes and retweets and the other athletes less the 10. I mean, the other candidates deserve some attention too.

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Same thought. When Laureus announced the nominees some weeks ago, the global attention was pretty low at the beginning. So I decided to support Yuzu with a tweet.

But when I see the current "invasion", I really feel sorry for the other contenders, who went through incredible pain and hard times as well... I'm okay with the support for Yuzu, but it's disrespectful to send "Yuzu!!"-messages to other nominees imo.

 

I agree with all your thoughts that figure skating as a smaller sport lives through discussions on the internet, not that much in everyday life. That leads to such clickbait phenomenons as we can witness here with Laureus.

However, even within the skating universe Yuzu and his fanbase strike out in many ways. The Pooh rain ritual, the recurring ticket bloodbaths before competitions, the mass of Yuzu related posts on SM everyday, the photo exhibitions, advertisement and merchandising, the Olympic parades with 100,000 of visitors...

 

I think, Dick Button got mighty close, why Yuzu is so special and popular:

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“What Yuzuru said after the Sochi Olympics left a deep impression on me. He said that he couldn’t skate well. ”

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"You won your second Gold Medal in 1952, is winning not enough?"
“No. you ask why? Because I fell. The rules now give you points even when you fail. When that happened, I think figure skating died. 
Above (or before?) being a sport of points, Figure skating is a sport that engages the audience. An orchestra, if you miss a note, it’s ruined, like ballet when a dancer falls, it’s the same. You mustn’t disappoint the audience, come on! That’s why I was moved by Yuzuru’s words. This young man, he understands!”

 

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It's true that an error-filled program leaves a bittersweet taste, no matter how difficult the technical content and overall quality of your skating is. Mistakes are not champion-like.

Figure skating is currently in a tricky situation: It would be disappointing to lower the difficulty, but the current level is sky-high for 99% of the active skaters and clean free skates are very rare miracles. Not to mention programs with a total package and perfect balance of athletism and artistry. At the moment Yuzu comes closest to this ideal, especially in his short programs (last jump error in a SP: 20.10.2017).

 

An ideal skater unites five types of artists in one person:

1. athlete

2. dancer/musician

3. model

4. painter/illustrator

5. author/storyteller


Yuzu hits most of these aspects. He's technically very strong, has a sublime musicality and 'movement culture', looks great on the ice with striking costumes, creates memorable images and tells stories with his skating.

 

Most skaters have their technical arsenal and try to build a program around it. With Yuzu it's other way round. The global concept, motive and message have top priority and the technical elements are implemented into the choreography as artistic highlights and touches. They are not isolated, there's no break in his programs. It's one big story. That's why he can reach so many people's heart.

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  On 1/30/2019 at 1:01 PM, ZuCritter said:

TBH, I rather dread coming to the Planet when I know I'm going to have to wade through a lot of back-and-forth about something someone said or did that is perceived as an affront to Yuzu. I'm just not that interested in it, and it sometimes makes it hard to find the posts I do enjoy. Perhaps we should have a "Drama and Debate" thread or a "Can you believe this s***?" thread to let people air their grievances (within the rules of the Planet, of course), and let the rest of us not engage with that aspect of the conversation. I'm kidding, but only halfway. 

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@Planet Hanyu Staff can we? I am putting this under the suggestion as well if you don't mind, @ZuCritter

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  On 1/31/2019 at 3:29 PM, yuzupon said:

 

@Planet Hanyu Staff can we? I am putting this under the suggestion as well if you don't mind, @ZuCritter

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"Fandom drama"?

 

I think the general chat is ok for this but if it bothers many people a separate thread makes sense. We could just knock ourselves out there, even rehashing old stuff if we felt like it.

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  On 1/31/2019 at 4:06 PM, Sabrina said:

I found a summery of the latest docu about yuzu online

 

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That is from @Specs at GS and  @Henni147 already posted about it in the previous page.

 

  On 1/31/2019 at 10:58 AM, Henni147 said:

@Interspectator from GS has posted a trantranslation of the NHK documentary.

Thank you very much for this huge effort.

 

Part I:

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Part II:

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Part III:

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