General Yuzuru Chat

[Salior]

4 minutes ago, KatjaThera said:

I get what you're saying. Someone could have seen me downstairs on Saturday or seen me shout good luck to Jason as he was leaving and assume I was one of the crazy fans and that wouldn't be fun at all.

 

But I also don't understand why feel the need to share, even if it's all stuff Ghislain volunteered. Even if he ok-ed sharing it. At the end of the day, as much as I love him, Ghislain isn't Yuzu. I'm not saying Yuzu wouldn't agree to the sharing or that Ghislain did anything wrong, or even that what she did was anything wrong. I'm just saying it makes me uncomfortable, to get private information like this. I'd much rather get only whatever Yuzu wants to volunteer. I think that not everything you hear, you also need to share with the world. When I saw Satoko, I wanted to post about it, then was like: you know, what? Better not... maybe she's here privately, let's not risk her getting more attention than she'd like. So I only told a friend about it, privately, a friend who wasn't there. But then people posted on twitter so, yeah. I'm sure she wasn't bothered, but that's how I function. *shrugs*

Yea I’m fine with you not being ok with the sharing, just that I’m not comfortable at how you assumed her character too. You do have valid points though, I’ll keep those in mind for the future. 

[Salior]

2 minutes ago, Sammie said:

There was a little part about Evgenia that they talked about that I found odd to share. I kept thinking to myself that maybe this is how Doug got his info for TSL ..... 

Let’s stop speculating... this is getting out of hand, I regret sharing already 

[Xen]

Um, hate to say it, but for the more extreme fans, would anything short of Yuzu saying he's scared of the fans, be effective at telling said fans to keep away from his privacy sphere?

And after some of the stuff that's been shared, and stuff we'd have seen at competitions he attends, I'd be shocked if he had no sense of fear towards the fans. You can always say that 99.999% of your fans will not stalk you, but considering the size of the fandom, there may always be that 1 person that goes and does something freaky. >_> It's logic.

[Sammie]

2 minutes ago, Salior said:

Let’s stop speculating... this is getting out of hand, I regret sharing already 

Yes true I’m going too delete

[monchan]

That's why Fanyus should really stay and cheer for other skaters. Most of them don't have many chances to skate in front of BIG audience (esp skaters from small feds). The fact that they can show their hard work to many people is encouraging and delightful enough for them, even more than scoring.

[Salior]

1 minute ago, Xen said:

Um, hate to say it, but for the more extreme fans, would anything short of Yuzu saying he's scared of the fans, be effective at telling said fans to keep away from his privacy sphere?

And after some of the stuff you guys have shared, I'd be shocked if he had no sense of fear towards the fans. You can always say that 99.999% of your fans will not stalk you, but considering the size of the fandom, there may always be that 1 person that goes and does something freaky. >_>

Yea they chased him to the hotel elevator after the 2013 4CC sp, which made him bang his head hard on the door  

[Murieleirum]

I guess this is extremely personal and subjective as usual, but I think asking a person something and talking to them is polite, because the person is always free to say 'no', to not reply, to say 'it's confidential' and so on. No one forced Ghislain to say something he didn't want to say, and it's not intrinsecally wrong to share a conversation on the intenet (we are talking about innocent info, not like 'oh Ghislain told me about Yuzuru's weird Pooh fetish the other day' - sorry for bad humoring ). 

 

What IS intrinsecally wrong and NOT polite, is imposing yourself - insistingly ask a person something and not noticing if that person doesn't want to answer; chasing an athlete who is walking the other way, chasing a car, screaming to a skater while other skaters are on the ice, screaming so strongly that you can actually end up distracting an athlete and hurting them in general. 

 

Everybody has their own degree of privacy, so some actions may be seen to be a bit 'too much' by some, but I think we can all agree that the things to avoid are the things which are UNIVERSALLY agreed to be violent and disturbing. To me, having a conversation is not one of those things. 

[enno0287]

To be fair, I personally find it important that we as part of the Hanyu fandom start to voice out the needs to respect Yuzu's privacy more.

And I have a good faith that this G*** person is trying to do that. Tho not all of us can agree with how she does that.

[Murieleirum]

6 minutes ago, Xen said:

Um, hate to say it, but for the more extreme fans, would anything short of Yuzu saying he's scared of the fans, be effective at telling said fans to keep away from his privacy sphere?

And after some of the stuff that's been shared, and stuff we'd have seen at competitions he attends, I'd be shocked if he had no sense of fear towards the fans. You can always say that 99.999% of your fans will not stalk you, but considering the size of the fandom, there may always be that 1 person that goes and does something freaky. >_> It's logic.

 

Completely agreed. There's nothing wrong if fans all around end up knowing that Yuzuru is afraid of them. It would be actually pretty surprising for them not to have assumed it already. 

(but I guess we are talking about people who, speaking generally and vaguely, have some mental issue of sorts. Because you don't chase someone down you don't know personally unless you lost some kind of touch with reality lol.)

[KatjaThera]

3 minutes ago, Xen said:

Um, hate to say it, but for the more extreme fans, would anything short of Yuzu saying he's scared of the fans, be effective at telling said fans to keep away from his privacy sphere?

And after some of the stuff you guys have shared, I'd be shocked if he had no sense of fear towards the fans. You can always say that 99.999% of your fans will not stalk you, but considering the size of the fandom, there may always be that 1 person that goes and does something freaky. >_>

I'm not surprised if he is afraid - though it might not be so much fear fear, but fear of causing a commotion and so on - but I don't think he should have to come out and say it for people to get themselves under control. And I'm a little less optimistic, I think not even that will get to the truly scary fans, because I think they likely don't realize they're scary. They'll think it's not them. They might think "Oh, don't worry, we'll protect you!" or things like that. But hopefully you're right and revealing that will help with at least some of them. (As you can see, I have little faith in human kind :P)

 

And I'm sorry, I never meant to attack anyone. Different people have different attitudes and I'm sure that fan had no bad intentions. I myself sometimes have trouble reconciling my very private attitude - including towards respecting other's privacy, perhaps to an extreme - and an otherwise very voyeuristic curiosity. Hence always asking myself: "How would I feel if that happened to me?" But that's why particularly hearing that someone said Yuzu is afraid of fan's reactions if he goes out rubbed me the wrong way, because that's about feelings and feelings are private. I'm not sure how I'd feel if a friend spoke about my feelings to someone else. It'd depend on the feelings, but I'm not sure I'd always be ok with it. *shrugs*

[Cerunias]

25 minutes ago, monchan said:

LMAO he's sooo high

 

 

One white earpiece, one black earpiece...the asymmetry is killing me!

 

Actually, I'd love to know what the heck he is listening to that's getting him so pumped! Shall we take bets if it is his fave band, anyone?  Whatever it is, he certainly looks like he's enjoying himself!

[Frenchkiss70]

24 minutes ago, monchan said:

LMAO he's sooo high

 

With all this talk about privacy this little gem almost got overlooked. Best part Yuzu head banging, pointing a finger  and glaring at ...a wall  

Great content thanks for sharing

[Guest turquoiseblue]

 

[TallyT]

32 minutes ago, monchan said:

That's why Fanyus should really stay and cheer for other skaters. Most of them don't have many chances to skate in front of BIG audience (esp skaters from small feds). The fact that they can show their hard work to many people is encouraging and delightful enough for them, even more than scoring.

 

Agreed - and I really like these, the way these young aspiring skaters are inspired by and look up to him (and they all seemed such lovely kids too, I really liked a LOT of the skaters here...)

[yuzuangel]

12 hours ago, Xen said:

I don't like the idea of Yuzu fans being more of a cult than an actual FS fan group, but realistically, there's not a whole lot you can do. There are quite a bit of Yuzu fans who are involved only for him, and nothing else. And while we bemoan about it, let's face up to the fact majority of us who do follow FS overall, even we won't follow FS with as much dedication if he stops competing. Personally I might still watch, but going to live competitions might take lower priority than say, normal life obligations. =(

 

However, there are people who have somewhat converted to being FS fans and also follow other skaters, due to being introduced to FS via Yuzu.

Well, I couldn't call it a cult, short of us doing unethical things to our members at large scale but I've said this before: It doesn't matter to me if a Yuzu fan is also a fan of other skaters, or of skating, or whatever. There's no right way to be a fan, and being an "actual FS fan group" is an arbitrary labeling that seems more like gatekeeping.

 

LOTS (probably the majority) of Yuzu fans got interested in skating BECAUSE and only because of him. And as for whether or not they stick around, probably depends on a myriad of other factors, including if they find other skaters they also like watching, if they understand the sport, if they are okay with the judging aspect, etc. And there's no right answer. At least partially, whether or not his large fanbase sticks around after he retires, is something that's on the ISU and whether they are able make figure skating a worthwhile sport to watch without Yuzu around (sometimes I think the answer is no). 

 

Going by what I've seen, many of the first time fans have stuck around and are fans of other skaters, too. But some of them might not be interested and that's fine too. Personal preferences are just that -- personal.