General Yuzuru Chat

[Songster01]

Stupid question time : can anyone link me to the page on this site that shows, season by season, the broadcasts of Yuzuru in compensations and galas, listing broadcaster?  Please note that I don't mean the "Gallery" which is easy to find and contains videos of numerous skaters.  I used to visit the page often, but it's been awhile and I can't seem to find it any more, despite checking what I thought were likely pages here like Translations and the competitions area.

 

 

[IceWings]

17 minutes ago, Songster01 said:

Stupid question time : can anyone link me to the page on this site that shows, season by season, the broadcasts of Yuzuru in compensations and galas, listing broadcaster?  Please note that I don't mean the "Gallery" which is easy to find and contains videos of numerous skaters.  I used to visit the page often, but it's been awhile and I can't seem to find it any more, despite checking what I thought were likely pages here like Translations and the competitions area.

 

 

You mean this? https://planethanyu.com/topic/265-videocompetition-senior-level-competitions-media-post/

[Songster01]

Just now, IceWings said:

You mean this? https://planethanyu.com/topic/265-videocompetition-senior-level-competitions-media-post/

     Yes.  Thank you so much!

[Neenah]

2 hours ago, quadaxelwin said:

In my personal opinion, the reason ISU is over-scoring Nathan is because:

 

1. They need a backup top male figure skater when Yuzu retires to fill up his empty place, and they want to make it Nathan. They know Yuzu will retire soon, and thus needs to hype up another male superstar. They are hoping Nathan breaking Yuzu's World Records somehow proves he is the better new superstar. 

 

2. They need to create a rivalry between Yuzu and Nathan to keep the sport competitive, interesting for casual viewers. Everyone gets more attracted to sports rivalry

 

3. They need to create the ultimate rival story leading up to Beijing Olympics. 

At Sochi it was Yuzu vs Patrick

At PC, it was Nathan vs Yuzu

 

At Beijing, they need another one. 

 

 

 

4. They are somewhat tired of seeing Yuzu compete for so long, and want him out of the picture (just a theory, but why else would they mark Yuzu's PCS down like that?)

 

5. They are nitpicking on Yuzu and mark him down for the slightest weaknesses, because they expect him to be the god of figure skating. When he doesn't live up to their high expectations of "the perfect isu cash cow, pumps out clean program, world record breaking" yuzuru hanyu,

 

they are greatly disappointed in him

I used to think this as well but after worlds and GPF I changed my mind. Right now, I think that they are creating a dominant superior skater that cannot be beaten even by the greatest skaters. With he way they are scoring both Nathan and Yuzu, there is no rivalry anymore.

[quadaxelwin]

 

4 minutes ago, Neenah said:

I used to think this as well but after worlds and GPF I changed my mind. Right now, I think that they are creating a dominant superior skater that cannot be beaten even by the greatest skaters. With he way they are scoring both Nathan and Yuzu, there is no rivalry anymore.

 

 

Or they want Yuzu to step it up and match Nathan's BV all the time. They are killing the sport, because it's becoming just gymnastics on ice if they keep doing this

[Katt]

24 minutes ago, Neenah said:

I used to think this as well but after worlds and GPF I changed my mind. Right now, I think that they are creating a dominant superior skater that cannot be beaten even by the greatest skaters. With he way they are scoring both Nathan and Yuzu, there is no rivalry anymore.

Agreed. There's no rivalry if they are not judged by the same standard and rules. 

[memae]

2 hours ago, rockstaryuzu said:

I think it would be great to see Yuzu do a Taiko drum-based program with a natsu matsuri feel. It would be completely different from anything he's ever done and could be super high energy and fun. 

Omg yes. 

[lila]

isu is doing a poor job if they planned to boost the popularity of NC with overscoring and ignoring the rules 

 

it certainly works for those who are okay with ignoring the issues but majority is seeing the big gap and questioning the scoring one way or another 

 

Google search 2019 was a huge example of that, no matter what you try you can't win anyone's support and heart with your propaganda. that unconditional love and support will keep going as long as fs continues. thats a true legacy which yuzuru is doing rn. 

[MatchaBeans]

9 hours ago, yuzuangel said:

I don't think this is how it works. IMO the Olympics being in Beijing has nothing to do with the inflation at all. It would be the same if the next Olympics were held on Mars. I also don't see how the olympics being in beijing and Nathan being Chinese-American would be bigger $$$ in the United States than if Nathan were White or any other race. In fact, the $$ would be much more if he were a photogenic ice princess like Gracie Gold for sure.

 

Anyway saying Nathan and Alysa get candies because they're Chinese-descent is pretty racist, even if I agree with them on other things.

 

I agree. Plus most people and sponsors in China support Yuzu, and if Nathan continues to be scored the way he is now, he will only lose more support from Chinese fans, regardless of whether Yuzu is in Beijing. I don't think Beijing would care to inflate their scores because of their ethnicity, if anything, it would be coming from the US federation.

 

Also, doubt Alysa is in contention for gold in Beijing, unless she starts focusing on SS and proper technique. Her strategy now - upping BV and forget about everything else - is not going to work against those Eteri girls who possess both (Valieva, Kostornaia, Scherbakova, Usacheva). Her skating is so slow it's a pain to watch despite her charm. 

 

[kiches]

8 minutes ago, MatchaBeans said:

 

I agree. Plus most people and sponsors in China support Yuzu, and if Nathan continues to be scored the way he is now, he will only lose more support from Chinese fans, regardless of whether Yuzu is in Beijing. I don't think Beijing would care to inflate their scores because of their ethnicity, if anything, it would be coming from the US federation.

 

Despite the original comments being about Nathan and Alysa having Chinese ancestry, I think the main point was less about China the country and Chinese fans and more about potential money from the US market, US sponsors, and NBC in particular and how they'll choose to market Nathan and Alysa as Chinese Americans at an Olympics in China to the US audience (or they could be as naive to think Chinese American athletes would be as popular as Chinese athletes within China for the Olympics). NBC's influence is obvious, just look at how they managed to get the schedule for figure skating changed in 2018 so they could broadcast figure skating live in the US. It'll be interesting to see what angle they come up with for the US skaters since they already went the ballet quad-king route with Nathan last time and now are heavily pushing the Yale student angle (and supposedly Nathan's plan was to take a leave of absence from school to prepare for the games, so that shouldn't be much of a story by that point). I still remember the United Airlines Olympic ads with Quad King Nathan on the flight back after the Olympics, I found those pretty irritating and cheesy and fast forwarded through them when I was watching videos on the in-flight entertainment system

[yoloaxel]

Re the Ambesi thing, I do find it pretty racist and I also find him biased because he routinely ignores the overscoring the Eteri girls get, for example. I do 100% think Nathan is overscored but it's bc US fed pushes for him and because the ISU wants a new king under a new system. 

[Purple]

1 hour ago, quadaxelwin said:

 

 

 

Or they want Yuzu to step it up and match Nathan's BV all the time. They are killing the sport, because it's becoming just gymnastics on ice if they keep doing this

 

No, they want Yuzu to retire and set up Nathan as the next OG champ. Cos it profits them, the ISU to do so.

It is not abt popularity of the sport, not from the way ISU is handling things. 

Olympic channel in my opinion does a better at popularizing FS through media

 

[IULIANA]

17 minutes ago, yoloaxel said:

Re the Ambesi thing, I do find it pretty racist and I also find him biased because he routinely ignores the overscoring the Eteri girls get, for example. I do 100% think Nathan is overscored but it's bc US fed pushes for him and because the ISU wants a new king under a new system. 

The way Ambesi trys to find an explanation for the outraigeous overscorring is matched to the efforts everyone of us makes to understand the present situation. Noone understands and as logical human beings we try to make something  to get it fit our reason. That is all.

[Alexis219]

7 hours ago, CiONTUw4A said:

 

Delurking after two years to say hi.

 

I just want to say that I am sure whoever edited the Google video must be a Fanyu. Someone suggested that the BGM of the piece is a song called Superheroes. Here is part of the lyrics:

 

All his life he's been told
He'll be nothing when he's old
All the kicks and all the blows
He won't ever let it show

'Cause he's stronger than you know
A heart of steel starts to grow

When you've been fighting for it all your life
You've been struggling to make things right
That's how a superhero learns to fly
Every day, every hour, turn the pain into power

 

The fact that the caption is “superheroes that can fly” when Yuzu appeared is definitely not a coincidence. The impact this dude has!

 

Just as the moderator said during the post PC FCCJ press conference, in a world of fake news, alternative facts and nonsense, Yuzu’s skating is the truth. Let’s just stay positive and celebrate the joy and inspiration that his skating brings to us.

THIS!!!! 

It's so appropriate, thank you for pointing that out! Of course I had thought the song Superheroes was just because of the theme, for obvious reasons, but especially now with all the talk of Yuzuru's age and possible retirement, and him still working hard and practicing 4A and his general life storty is just so fitting!

[quadaxelwin]

I did a quick research on the age of olympic medalists in figure skating men's singles.

And the oldest Olympic champion in men's singles (excluding team event) was:

 

81 34 years, 253 days  Gillis Grafström 1928 St. Moritz Gold June 7, 1893 February 15, 1928 His 3rd medal

Gillis Grafström

I guess back in 1908, one could still become a Olympic champion in men's singles even at the age of 34. Since times have changed and men's singles have become a quad battle field, I doubt we will ever see an Olympic champion who is older than 30.

I don't know how long Yuzu will compete for, and whether or not he goes to 2022 Beijing Olympics, but even if he does, he will still be making history just by medalling there!

 

Because the last 2 skaters who got a medal at 27 at Olympics was:

 

73

27 years, 110 days

Paul Wylie

1992 Albertville

Silver

October 28, 1964

February 15, 1992

 

It was 2 years before Yuzu was even born!

 

and also

 

72

27 years, 107 days

Evgeni Plushenko

2010 Vancouver

Silver

November 3, 1982

February 18, 2010

His 3rd medal

 

Of course Plushenko!

 

 

All I'm trying to say is that it's so amazing Yuzu is still competing at age 25, and it would be so lovely to see him go to Beijing even if he doesn't win it. If he goes, a medal would be fine for me, but I'm sure Yuzu won't go if he can't get gold.

 

But anyway, I just wanted to touch upon some men's figure skating history and say "Yuzu is still making history even now just by competing!"

Men's singles

Rank	Age	Nation & Name	Games	Medal	Date of Birth	Date of Event	Notes
1	14 years, 363 days	Scott Allen	1964 Innsbruck	Bronze	February 8, 1949	February 6, 1964
2	18 years, 107 days	Robert Van Zeebroeck	1928 St. Moritz	Bronze	October 31, 1909	February 15, 1928
3	18 years, 129 days	Ronald Robertson	1956 Cortina d'Ampezzo	Silver	September 25, 1937	February 1, 1956
4	18 years, 202 days	Dick Button	1948 St Moritz	Gold	July 18, 1929	February 5, 1948	His 1st medal
5	18 years, 238 days	Viktor Petrenko	1988 Calgary	Bronze	June 27, 1969	February 20, 1988	His 1st medal
6	18 years, 283 days	Nathan Chen	2018 Pyeongchang	Bronze	May 5, 1999	February 12, 2018	In team event
7	19 years, 30 days	Patrick Péra	1968 Grenoble	Bronze	January 17, 1949	February 16, 1968	His 1st medal
8	19 years, 56 days	Jason Brown	2014 Sochi	Bronze	December 15, 1994	February 9, 2014	In team event
9	19 years, 69 days	Yuzuru Hanyu	2014 Sochi	Gold	December 7, 1994	February 14, 2014	His 1st medal
10	19 years, 103 days	Evgeni Plushenko	2002 Salt Lake City	Silver	November 3, 1982	February 14, 2002	His 1st medal
11	19 years, 217 days	David Jenkins	1956 Cortina d'Ampezzo	Bronze	June 29, 1936	February 1, 1956	His 1st medal
12	19 years, 240 days	Tim Wood	1968 Grenoble	Silver	June 21, 1948	February 16, 1968
13	19 years, 299 days	Georges Gautschi	1924 Chamonix	Bronze	April 6, 1904	January 30, 1924
14	19 years, 330 days	Donald Jackson	1960 Squaw Valley	Bronze	April 2, 1940	February 26, 1960
15	20 years, 62 days	Shoma Uno	2018 Pyeongchang	Silver	December 17, 1997	February 17, 2018
16	20 years, 74 days	Jozef Sabovčík	1984 Sarajevo	Bronze	December 4, 1963	February 16, 1984
17	20 years, 76 days	James Grogan	1952 Oslo	Bronze	December 7, 1931	February 21, 1952
18	20 years, 94 days	Alexei Urmanov	1994 Lillehammer	Gold	November 17, 1973	February 19, 1994
19	20 years, 155 days	Wolfgang Schwarz	1968 Grenoble	Gold	September 14, 1947	February 16, 1968
20	20 years, 246 days	Denis Ten	2014 Sochi	Bronze	June 13, 1993	February 14, 2014
21	20 years, 267 days	Ilia Kulik	1998 Nagano	Gold	May 23, 1977	February 14, 1998
22	20 years, 280 days	Manfred Schnelldorfer	1964 Innsbruck	Gold	May 2, 1943	February 6, 1964
23	20 years, 320 days	Stéphane Lambiel	2006 Torino	Silver	April 2, 1985	February 16, 2006
24	21 years, 20 days	Ondrej Nepela	1972 Sapporo	Gold	January 22, 1951	February 11, 1972
25	21 years, 31 days	Felix Kaspar	1936 Garmisch-Partenkirchen	Bronze	January 14, 1915	February 14, 1936
26	21 years, 157 days	Timothy Goebel	2002 Salt Lake City	Bronze	September 10, 1980	February 14, 2002
27	21 years, 333 days	Alexei Yagudin	2002 Salt Lake City	Gold	March 18, 1980	February 14, 2002
28	21 years, 334 days	Elvis Stojko	1994 Lillehammer	Silver	March 22, 1972	February 19, 1994	His 1st medal
29	22 years, 2 days	Philippe Candeloro	1994 Lillehammer	Bronze	February 17, 1972	February 19, 1994	His 1st medal
30	22 years, 60 days	Brian Orser	1984 Sarajevo	Silver	December 18, 1961	February 16, 1984	His 1st medal
31	22 years, 173 days	Montgomery Wilson	1932 Lake Placid	Bronze	August 20, 1909	February 9, 1932
32	22 years, 188 days	Robin Cousins	1980 Lake Placid	Gold	August 17, 1957	February 21, 1980
33	22 years, 218 days	Dick Button	1952 Oslo	Gold	July 18, 1929	February 21, 1952	His 2nd medal
34	22 years, 233 days	Viktor Petrenko	1992 Albertville	Gold	June 27, 1969	February 15, 1992	His 2nd medal
35	22 years, 241 days	Hellmut Seibt	1952 Oslo	Silver	June 25, 1929	February 21, 1952
36	22 years, 268 days	Karl Schäfer	1932 Lake Placid	Gold	May 17, 1909	February 9, 1932	His 1st medal
37	22 years, 315 days	Hayes Alan Jenkins	1956 Cortina d'Ampezzo	Gold	March 23, 1933	February 1, 1956
38	22 years, 359 days	Mikhail Kolyada	2018 Pyeongchang	Silver	February 18, 1995	February 12, 2018	In team event
39	23 years, 9 days	Vladimir Kovalev	1976 Innsbruck	Silver	February 2, 1953	February 11, 1976
40	23 years, 25 days	Patrick Péra	1972 Sapporo	Bronze	January 17, 1949	February 11, 1972	His 2nd medal
41	23 years, 40 days	Patrick Chan	2014 Sochi	Silver	December 31, 1990	February 9, 2014	In team event; his 1st medal
42	23 years, 45 days	Patrick Chan	2014 Sochi	Silver	December 31, 1990	February 14, 2014	His 2nd medal
43	23 years, 72 days	Yuzuru Hanyu	2018 Pyeongchang	Gold	December 7, 1994	February 17, 2018	His 2nd medal
44	23 years, 105 days	Evgeni Plushenko	2006 Torino	Gold	November 3, 1982	February 16, 2006	His 2nd medal
45	23 years, 159 days	Alain Calmat	1964 Innsbruck	Silver	August 31, 1940	February 6, 1964
46	23 years, 168 days	Jeffrey Buttle	2006 Torino	Bronze	September 1, 1982	February 16, 2006
47	23 years, 201 days	Kevin Reynolds	2014 Sochi	Silver	July 23, 1990	February 9, 2014	In team event
48	23 years, 242 days	David Jenkins	1960 Squaw Valley	Gold	June 29, 1936	February 26, 1960	His 2nd medal
49	23 years, 277 days	Per Thorén	1908 London	Bronze	January 26, 1885	October 29, 1908
50	23 years, 339 days	Daisuke Takahashi	2010 Vancouver	Bronze	March 16, 1986	February 18, 2010
51	24 years, 4 days	Karol Divín	1960 Squaw Valley	Silver	February 22, 1936	February 26, 1960
52	24 years, 118 days	Jan Hoffmann	1980 Lake Placid	Silver	October 26, 1955	February 21, 1980
53	24 years, 121 days	Brian Boitano	1988 Calgary	Gold	October 22, 1963	February 20, 1988
54	24 years, 259 days	Evan Lysacek	2010 Vancouver	Gold	June 4, 1985	February 18, 2010
55	25 years, 145 days	Edi Rada	1948 St Moritz	Bronze	September 13, 1922	February 5, 1948
56	25 years, 172 days	Scott Hamilton	1984 Sarajevo	Gold	August 28, 1958	February 16, 1984
57	25 years, 293 days	Andreas Krogh	1920 Antwerp	Silver	July 9, 1894	April 27, 1920
58	25 years, 329 days	Elvis Stojko	1998 Nagano	Silver	March 22, 1972	February 14, 1998	His 2nd medal
59	25 years, 343 days	Petr Barna	1992 Albertville	Bronze	March 9, 1966	February 15, 1992
60	25 years, 362 days	Philippe Candeloro	1998 Nagano	Bronze	February 17, 1972	February 14, 1998	His 2nd medal
61	26 years, 30 days	Sergei Chetverukhin	1972 Sapporo	Silver	January 12, 1946	February 11, 1972
62	26 years, 64 days	Brian Orser	1988 Calgary	Silver	December 18, 1961	February 20, 1988	His 2nd medal
63	26 years, 100 days	Charles Tickner	1980 Lake Placid	Bronze	November 13, 1953	February 21, 1980
64	26 years, 133 days	Richard Johansson	1908 London	Silver	June 18, 1882	October 29, 1908
65	26 years, 155 days	John Curry	1976 Innsbruck	Gold	September 9, 1949	February 11, 1976
66	26 years, 229 days	Hans Gerschwiler	1948 St Moritz	Silver	June 21, 1921	February 5, 1948
67	26 years, 273 days	Karl Schäfer	1936 Garmisch-Partenkirchen	Gold	May 17, 1909	February 14, 1936	His 2nd medal
68	26 years, 297 days	Toller Cranston	1976 Innsbruck	Bronze	April 20, 1949	February 11, 1976
69	26 years, 308 days	Javier Fernández	2018 Pyeongchang	Bronze	April 15, 1991	February 17, 2018
70	26 years, 325 days	Gillis Grafström	1920 Antwerp	Gold	June 7, 1893	April 27, 1920	His 1st medal
71	27 years, 43 days	Patrick Chan	2018 Pyeongchang	Gold	December 31, 1990	February 12, 2018	In team event; his 3rd medal
72	27 years, 107 days	Evgeni Plushenko	2010 Vancouver	Silver	November 3, 1982	February 18, 2010	His 3rd medal
73	27 years, 110 days	Paul Wylie	1992 Albertville	Silver	October 28, 1964	February 15, 1992
74	28 years, 93 days	Adam Rippon	2018 Pyeongchang	Bronze	November 11, 1989	February 12, 2018	In team event
75	28 years, 249 days	Jeremy Abbott	2014 Sochi	Bronze	June 5, 1985	February 9, 2014	In team event
76	30 years, 140 days	Ernst Baier	1936 Garmisch-Partenkirchen	Silver	September 27, 1905	February 14, 1936	Baier's 2nd medal [a]
77	30 years, 237 days	Gillis Grafström	1924 Chamonix	Gold	June 7, 1893	January 30, 1924	His 2nd medal
78	31 years, 3 days	Willy Böckl	1924 Chamonix	Silver	January 27, 1893	January 30, 1924	His 1st medal
79	31 years, 83 days	Ulrich Salchow	1908 London	Gold	August 7, 1877	October 29, 1908
80	31 years, 98 days	Evgeni Plushenko	2014 Sochi	Gold	November 3, 1982	February 9, 2014	In team event; his 4th medal
81	34 years, 253 days	Gillis Grafström	1928 St. Moritz	Gold	June 7, 1893	February 15, 1928	His 3rd medal
82	35 years, 19 days	Willy Böckl	1928 St. Moritz	Silver	January 27, 1893	February 15, 1928	His 2nd medal
83	38 years, 247 days	Gillis Grafström	1932 Lake Placid	Silver	June 7, 1893	February 9, 1932	His 4th medal
84	44 years, 78 days	Martin Stixrud	1920 Antwerp	Bronze	February 9, 1876	April 27, 1920