General Yuzuru Chat

[Yuazz]

36 minutes ago, Joey said:

(OTOH, be happy he wasn't at SC this year - with the way Chiddy skated, he might have won that. And for the superstitious lot, that gold medal is cursed. Ask Javi, the only other man to take it away from Chiddy in recent years, who then ended off the Oly podium in 2014!)

*gasp*  I don't realise if you didn't mention it. If Yuzuru takes gold and win against Patrick Chan.. At Skate Canada? In his first GPS?  

[xeyra]

1 hour ago, Yuazz said:

*gasp*  I don't realise if you didn't mention it. If Yuzuru takes gold and win against Patrick Chan.. At Skate Canada? In his first GPS?  

 

The World would have ended. Zombie Apocalypse. Locusts falling down from the sky. Rivers of blood. You know, the whole shebang.

 

We dodged a bullet.

[b138oo]

3 minutes ago, Yuazz said:

*gasp*  I don't realise if you didn't mention it. If Yuzuru takes gold and win against Patrick Chan.. At Skate Canada? In his first GPS?  

If this happens I would lose my shit like completely lose my shit lmao I would be in a panic mode until PC 

[Sammie]

5 minutes ago, Yuazz said:

*gasp*  I don't realise if you didn't mention it. If Yuzuru takes gold and win against Patrick Chan.. At Skate Canada? In his first GPS?  

So it was destiny that he picked Rostelecom instead of SC this year......  

[Sombreuil]

No no - it's all calculated remember?  'Better than Skate Canada'

[Yuazz]

7 minutes ago, xeyra said:

 

The World would have ended. Zombie Apocalypse. Locusts falling down the sky. Rivers of blood. You know, the whole shebang.

 

We dodged a bullet.

And here at Planet Hanyu will be 

 

6 minutes ago, b138oo said:

If this happens I would lose my shit like completely lose my shit lmao I would be in a panic mode until PC 

I will panic for sure  

 

5 minutes ago, Sammie said:

So it was destiny that he picked Rostelecom instead of SC this year......  

Is this a good destiny?  

[Aotoshiro]

1 hour ago, Yuazz said:

Is this a good destiny?  

It is, remember, the only two times he competed at Rostelecom he got both silver and gold, and actually in Sochi he also won silver and gold (GPF&Olympics), so it's usual colors for him in Russia... and since the silver quota is now used up... you know what I mean xD 

[PapiandPooh422]

1 hour ago, Yuazz said:

2 hours ago, gladi said:

Sparkliest.

 

 

 

 

 

Thats only 3000. Imagine if he added more at NHK 

There are also a lot of casual viewers in the Olympics, right? Imagine this happening! They would be, ooooh!! . They'd fall in love immediately (if not then impressed?). What a strategy, Zuzu!! 

2 hours ago, Joey said:

(OTOH, be happy he wasn't at SC this year - with the way Chiddy skated, he might have won that. And for the superstitious lot, that gold medal is cursed. Ask Javi, the only other man to take it away from Chiddy in recent years, who then ended off the Oly podium in 2014!)

1 hour ago, xeyra said:

The World would have ended. Zombie Apocalypse. Locusts falling down the sky. Rivers of blood. You know, the whole shebang.

 

We dodged a bullet.

1 hour ago, b138oo said:

If this happens I would lose my shit like completely lose my shit lmao I would be in a panic mode until PC 

I shouldn't celebrate your loss, Zuzu but

[micaelis]

2 hours ago, Joey said:

Wow, that is a very harsh view IMO. By that logic, since 2014, nobody except for Yuzu has actually won any competition, they all just stumbled into it because they were lucky Yuzu messed up. And while a clean Yuzu would have won every competition since then, the fact he wasn't and didn't deliver is part of the competition process. Javi won Worlds 2015 and 2016. Nathan won 2017 4CC. DTen won 2014 4CC too and wasn't just lucky Yuzu wasn't there. The best man that night wins, it's not always the best men overall at that time point, it's not always with a great performance. But if you did the best that night, you win.

I agree with you and I think I did not express myself accurately enough.  Obviously those others did win but I do think we have to remember that after the 2013-2014  season Yuzu was definitely the one to beat and even after he lost Worlds to Javi those two years he still remained the one to beat.  I am also reminded what Johnny Weir said one time that 'nobody can beat a perfect Yuzuru Hanyu'.  That has remained true ever since the last Olympic year.  Actually, I was looking at things in terms of an overall 'narrative', one that works through pain and trials to a triumphant end.  In that sense then the GP series leading to the GPF of 2014 has an almost archetypal purity, with the crash in Shanghai followed by the disaster at NHK and then the triumph of the final, where Yuzu skated an extremely good short program but in his free skate, except for one fall late in the proceedings, he skated brilliantly.  If not for that fall, he most likely would have set a free skate record.  When one sees that victory in the light of what preceded it, there is a dramatic culmination that you rarely see in sport.  That was what so impressed me about that.  On the other hand the double spectacular of the 2015 NHK and GPF, where Hanyu simply rewrote the record book, not once, but twice, that has a totally different dynamic, one that is summarized in my mind by the expression Yuzu has after the GPF long program, where it is almost certain he had broken yet another record.  Look closely at him as he slowly moves around before taking his formal bows.  It's not quite a smirk, but there is definitely something of an 'I showed them' feel to his facial expression right then.  As far as the last season, Worlds 2017 has a dynamic somewhat similar to the GP series of 2014, but in this case it's more localized in the the World competition alone.  Then we see the story of the bad short program (bad by Yuzu's standards), including the one-point time penalty, where things might have seemed to be about to repeat the last two World competitions, but in this case the reverse.  Here Yuzu was truly at a disadvantage, facing a challenge which he successfully overcame, marking up a new free skate record.  Yet he barely won.  If he hadn't skated not simply error-free but in a way that as Kurt Browning remarked, had given the judges 'no excuse not to go and throw the book at him' loading him up with extra points everywhere, what Browning called a 'big picture moment', (remember, Shoma was just a few points behind at the end) that was different, more like rescuing victory from the jaws of defeat.  So in that sense I'm looking now at the season unfolding.  We have NHK coming shortly.  We should remember that in these last few seasons since 2013-2014, except for the disaster of 2014, Yuzu has always taken the NHK, but also he has not won any other Grand Prix event, always coming in second.  In fact since Sochi Yuzu has only finished off the podium at Grand Prix events once, NHK 2014.  I think for Yuzu GPF this year is nearly as important as PC.  He wants to keep the streak going, the one record which after each successive year becomes increasingly unlikely to be ever equaled or broken in the future.  Worlds for him comes third.  I'd like to finish by looking back at Yuzu's first Olympic season.  At the beginning of the season he was still just one of the crowd.  He'd taken the bronze at Worlds a couple years before but he was still seen as simply a promising new talent, even though that season was his fourth on the senior circuit.  Things started really changing with the GPF, where he defeated Patrick Chan and took the first of his four consecutive GP golds.  Then came Sochi and then Worlds, where he sewed all things up and held the three most prestigious titles.  After that season he was no longer the new kid on the block.  He was also establishing his reputation as a 'complete' skater, if you listen to what the commentators are saying, and doing so in such a way that in the GPF of 2014 Carol Lane (who can be snarky) stated quite simply and sincerely -'There are good skaters and there are great skaters, and then there's Yuzuru Hanyu,' although she was not the first to say he was putting skating on a whole new level.  In the end what we are seeing this season is perhaps the final chapter of what is already a legendary saga, one that we can see in its infancy with that amateurish video of nine-year-old Yuzu skating so earnestly and making those jumps, (including a triple salchow) and his signature Bielmann, or maybe what we're seeing is just another chapter on a still-continuing journey.  We'll know by April.

 

[MrPudding]

Team TCC "play your own game" 

 

[axelsandwich]

The GPF is really going to be an essential event this year and I believe Yuzu has hinted at that as well - for Yuzu to keep his streak would be an enormous boost of confidence and swing the momentum significantly back to his side heading into February. The thing about Yuzu, though, is that he is even more fired up by mistakes, defeat and being in the underdog position so even if the worst happens and someone else breaks his streak, I don't think it'll be a death knell on his Olympics either. I don't really want to draw too many conclusions about media spotlight's effect on other skaters because I would say they all handle pressure and attention differently -- only for Yuzu, that's also a good thing if the spotlight is off him for a bit (as much as it can be...it never truly will) because he'll be fired up to prove himself in competition. Anything that will get him in that fighting mood is a good thing - tbh he struggles much more with being in the lead. Either way, one step at a time - NHK first! 

[meoima]

3 hours ago, Floria said:

We have to show this to Plushy  perhaps he will change his mind about the best technician...

I present to you, Plushy's jumps were not that pure technique so... maybe people should not hang up on Plushy's comments about the best technician...

 

here was his Lutz, full blade take off

Here is his Flip, full blade take off too

here was his 4T

 

[singcarcom]

3 hours ago, gladi said:

 

Sparkliest.

 

 

 

 

Like a christmas tree indeed! 

[Murieleirum]

OMG sorry to burst in the thread, but I think this needs to be seen by everyone: our so very dear ElenaC has made a video with ALL of the times Max Ambesi (&others italian uncles) said "Welcome on planet Hanyu, population, one: him" and I think this is amazing 

 

[Floria]

Hace 3 horas, Joey said:

 

Wow, that is a very harsh view IMO. By that logic, since 2014, nobody except for Yuzu has actually won any competition, they all just stumbled into it because they were lucky Yuzu messed up. And while a clean Yuzu would have won every competition since then, the fact he wasn't and didn't deliver is part of the competition process. Javi won Worlds 2015 and 2016. Nathan won 2017 4CC. DTen won 2014 4CC too and wasn't just lucky Yuzu wasn't there. The best man that night wins, it's not always the best men overall at that time point, it's not always with a great performance. But if you did the best that night, you win.

 

 

Also, I'm sorry but if everyone wants to get all worried every time Yuzu is called the favorite for Olys, you'll have a lot of worrying ahead of you Didn't Plush predict Yuzu for 2014 pretty closely after 2010, when he was only JWC? It's not a jinx, it might be a good luck charm

If you want to be superstitious: Yuzu got 2 silvers per season since 2013-14, otherwise always gold (except for a 4th place at NHK 2014, but we don't talk about that). So maybe all gold from now on? He was the first man to land 4Lo and goes into Olys as reigning Oly champ. You know who landed the first 3Lo? Dick Button, that last guy who managed to repeat his OGM (and he landed that 3Lo in between his 2 OGMs too!). Lots of positive signs out there too, just focus on the right ones

 

(OTOH, be happy he wasn't at SC this year - with the way Chiddy skated, he might have won that. And for the superstitious lot, that gold medal is cursed. Ask Javi, the only other man to take it away from Chiddy in recent years, who then ended off the Oly podium in 2014!)

Button also landed the first ever 2A at 1948 Olympics