General Yuzuru Chat

[Joey]

6 minutes ago, meoima said:

I was there I am assure you, Yuzuru’s Loop in the SP was fully rotated. Max Ambessi was correct.

i am the kind who is obsessed with UR and wrong edge, so it’s not that easy to fool me. @Joey was there and we both agreed the calls for Yuzuru was too harsh, but anyway it’s ok. It’s not like we wanted Yuzuru to win his first GP no matter what. This results only make him work harder and more motivated.

 

I am quite upset by the tech panel at Skate Kaenada this season to be honest (lol they changed their name from Skate Chanada to Skate Kaenada this time), they gave out some very strict calls for some skaters and ignored some calls for some skaters. It’s utterly ridiculous to see all the ladies bare one got calls. Same thing in men, some calls were too lenient but the ladies were the worst. 

 

I have no idea what's going on here in general right now, just jumping in because I was mentioned

IMO, Yuzu's 4Lo was borderline and it depends on how strict the TP is when they decide to call it or not. It's fine to be strict and call it, but then be consistent - because by the same standard Nathans 3A was URed as well. Nathan didn't get a call though, which isn't really 'fair' by comparison.

 

I wouldn't be worried about him repeating any URs though.

[wombat-poodle]

7 minutes ago, Joey said:

IMO, Yuzu's 4Lo was borderline and it depends on how strict the TP is when they decide to call it or not. It's fine to be strict and call it, but then be consistent - because by the same standard Nathans 3A was URed as well. Nathan didn't get a call though, which isn't really 'fair' by comparison.

 

sigh... i was worried about this. the fact that they make the same mistakes but yuzu gets dinged harder than others. 

[WinForPooh]

9 minutes ago, meoima said:

It’s the slow motion of Yuzuru’s 4lo in SP. It was fully rotated no matter how many times I rewatched it on tivi. Same impression I had in competition. In reality it’s quite easier to see which jumps are UR. And frankly many ladies UR or borderline their 3-3 but didn’t get called. I saw their hooked marks on the ice clearly. 

Having no actual experience of being on ice so I don't know how to tell by the marks (my location is true lol) and I can't figure out UR very well. Pre-rotation seems easier to see live. And my stream got stuck just before the 4lo, came back when the score for the UR jump was updated, then the stream got stuck again so I guess I watched the videos afterwards with the pre-conceived notion that it was UR. I guess I should watch it on youtube and slow it down and see if I can learn to tell the difference properly! I'm sure you had a much better view of it since you were there.

[meoima]

35 minutes ago, Joey said:

 

I have no idea what's going on here in general right now, just jumping in because I was mentioned

IMO, Yuzu's 4Lo was borderline and it depends on how strict the TP is when they decide to call it or not. It's fine to be strict and call it, but then be consistent - because by the same standard Nathans 3A was URed as well. Nathan didn't get a call though, which isn't really 'fair' by comparison.

 

I wouldn't be worried about him repeating any URs though.

Yes, it’s not like I want them to be lenient on Yuzuru or anything. And it’s not like I want them to be easier on the ladies at Skate Kaenada (lol I like his new nick name), the biggest issue is they don’t apply the same standards for everyone. 

Like ok you want to be harsh on the ladies, why spare Kaetlyn only? Because if it were me being the specialist, the scores might go down even further. Just please apply it on everyone.

[bubbletea0712]

Sigh...I'm trying to be in "Let it go" mode(actually...almost everytime I can't).....I really want to see Yuzu slap they face hard with his skate like in Helsinki.

P.s. My avatar is me eyeing on the judge right now.

[Joey]

25 minutes ago, meoima said:

Yes, it’s not like I want them to be lenient on Yuzuru or anything. And it’s not like I want them to be easier on the ladies at Skate Kaenada (lol I like his new nick name), the biggest issue is they don’t apply the same standards for everyone. 

Like ok you want to be harsh on the ladies, why spare Kaetlyn only? Because if it were me being the specialist, the scores might go down even further. Just please apply it on everyone.

 

Haha, tbh every time someone says the panel in SC was soooo harsh, I have to laugh, because geez would I have set there it would have been twice the carrot farm

 

And I don't want to be bitter, but I think Zu rarely gets the benefit of the doubt from TPs while others do. Same with that combo/no combo thing in his Helsinki SP. Yes, you can judge that as invalid according to the rules, but TPs rarely, rarely do that. The only time I think he got the benefit of the doubt was the 4T in his 2015 GPF LP. But on the other hand, there is stuff like the 4T in the 2014 WC SP. How often would that happen in Figure Skating? A skater comes into a competition, in his home country, just being crowned the new Oly champ!... and gets a bogus UR call on a jump. Lol indeed.

[xeyra]

Morozombie opines on Rostelecom:

http://morozombie.blogspot.pt/2017/10/recap-2017-rostelecom-cup-men-ladies.html

 

Here's the part referring to Yuzu.

Quote

Yuzuru Hanyu continued his streak of losing his first Grand Prix event of the season by finishing second overall to Mr. Chen, although Mr. Hanyu did win the free skate in Moscow.  As someone who was 100% expecting to see Mr. Hanyu chase the great white whale of the 4Lz to no avail throughout this entire season (sort of like the 4S in 2013-2014), it was a big surprise to see Mr. Hanyu actually successfully rotate and land a 4Lz on his very first try in competition this season, with +GOE nonetheless. The 4Lz's landing was low, but the height and distance of the jump was superb. Brava to Mr. Hanyu indeed.

What is there to say about Mr. Hanyu's wildly ambitious new five-quad/two 3As layout in this season's Seimei? Mr. Hanyu is someone who could afford to scale back on his base value and rest on his GOE and PCS laurels, but it's not surprising Mr. Hanyu is choosing the rockier path of increasing his base value. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it, and you can bet that Mr. Hanyu remembers how Patrick Chan was eventually technically outgunned by younger, hungrier skaters during the second half of the 2010-2014 Olympic cycle.

 

What he says about others is also pretty on point.

[meoima]

7 minutes ago, Joey said:

 

Haha, tbh every time someone says the panel in SC was soooo harsh, I have to laugh, because geez would I have set there it would have been twice the carrot farm

 

And I don't want to be bitter, but I think Zu rarely gets the benefit of the doubt from TPs while others do. Same with that combo/no combo thing in his Helsinki SP. Yes, you can judge that as invalid according to the rules, but TPs rarely, rarely do that. The only time I think he got the benefit of the doubt was the 4T in his 2015 GPF LP. But on the other hand, there is stuff like the 4T in the 2014 WC SP. How often would that happen in Figure Skating? A skater comes into a competition, in his home country, just being crowned the new Oly champ!... and gets a bogus UR call on a jump. Lol indeed.

Yeap. Agree with you 100%. They’re not as harsh as I can do lol. For example I would say they spared some jumps at SC while I would immediately give out < or <<

if they want to be harsh, it’s ok, but be fair please. It’s just so annoying when they spare their favorites. Honestly had they been easy on everyone I wouldn’t be this mad. They’re just easy on several chosen ones. 

[SSS]

Can skaters complain about the fake calls?

[kaeryth]

 

 

[SSS]

it is sad that his self made hairstyle is on the cover of every magazine...

[meoima]

23 minutes ago, SSS said:

Can skaters complain about the fake calls?

It's not fake, it's just incorrect sometimes and unfair sometimes (well many times, take Skate Canada this year for example). And no, people can not question tech specialists about the edge and UR calls. It is stated in the rule they're not allowed to question it. 

[b138oo]

6 minutes ago, meoima said:

It's not fake, it's just incorrect sometimes and unfair sometimes (well many times, take Skate Canada this year for example). And no, people can not question tech specialists about the edge and UR calls. It is stated in the rule they're not allowed to question it. 

Wow I  never knew they are that strict and old fashioned. I mean with the current technology, we have video and it should be reasonable to use that as an appeal evidence like in football and tennis?? I guess ISU really doesn't want to address this issue 

[axelnojutsu]

3 minutes ago, b138oo said:

Wow I  never knew they are that strict and old fashioned. I mean with the current technology, we have video and it should be reasonable to use that as an appeal evidence like in football and tennis?? I guess ISU really doesn't want to address this issue 

tbh being told to not question anything is generally a big red flag but I'm not surprised - if ISU were willing to take criticism and interested in applying their own rules correctly skaters wouldn't need to "appeal" anything in the first place

[katonice]

More interesting snippets (and points to fume about lol) from Max and Angelo's latest podcast.