General Yuzuru Chat

[xeyra]

4 minutes ago, Xen said:

Hm, I think the balletic roots is more PR from the USFSA and the media in general. From what I've seen and heard of Nate, he doesn't exactly promote it himself, even saying he liked this year's programs more since he views himself as a contemporary dancer.

 

I think age and maturity is another issue. When you're 17/18 years old, and capable of jumping quads like Nate, the thrill of the jumps just doesn't go away. Jumping is addictive! Skating while a teen, I could do jump practices for hours, less for spins, and far less for footwork/skating skills (much to my coach's frustration back then). Once that thrill is over, the artistry will come, and I think Nate is trying.

 

Nathan is no slouch artistically, though, as shown on  his junior programs and EX. And his programs this season show he is trying to change the image he left last season. But he does have a strategy involving very high BV and he's not going to change it. I think he'll be able to keep the quality of his SP even with the quads. The nature of the SP assures some limitations. And it's a great SP! 

 

The FS is more debatable if he's really going for 7 quads as endgame. The stamina necessary for that kind of jump content may make him remove some things. Question is if judges will care if the 3-4 quad version had more inbetween content than the 7 quad version, by the end.

 

Who was it who said a pairs Team once broke a record at the beginning of the season then in order to maintain consistency they removed some transitions and other details on further outings but their PCS never suffered for it? 

[OonsieHui]

Edit: sorry for jumping in the middle of a serious discussion 

 

 

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From Japanese rock to this! Ah Yuzu, your mind is a wonderful thing! 

 

[Sombreuil]

What troubles me is the possibility that judges might mentally ' carry over' credit from extra choreo/transitions etc that appear early in then season but aren't actually there on the ice in front of them later when he puts in the quads.  I'm afraid I'm a total cynic about the system.

[CupidsBow]

2 minutes ago, Sombreuil said:

What troubles me is the possibility that judges might mentally ' carry over' credit from extra choreo/transitions etc that appear early in then season but aren't actually there on the ice in front of them later when he puts in the quads.  I'm afraid I'm a total cynic about the system.

 

I'm with you on that. the reputation scoring in PCS especially is a mess and it wouldn't be a bad idea for Nathan's team to try to milk that by raising his PCS early in the season then taking out a bunch of transitions to make way for quads later knowing his pcs won;t drop much and possibly continue to rise.

 

but sure ISU, ignore how shitty PCS scoring is and f*ck with BVs instead...

[KatjaThera]

1 minute ago, Sombreuil said:

I think it was around 4CC that N said he wanted to retire and study medicine?  If that is his goal then maximising the jumping is his best chance.  

Personally, I don't disagree with that. And, if come Olympics, he lands all his jumps and the others all falter, and the scoring is fair - no extra PCS for quads alone - and he still wins, good for him. And too bad for figure skating and for the others who couldn't keep it together. But the fair scoring is an issue - and will be no matter what, because scoring is subjective in many ways.

 

Of course, there'll probably be comments regardless of whoever wins it, especially if it's not with a clean skate.

 

7 minutes ago, CupidsBow said:

IA about Nathan. It's no good telling me he deserves the points in PCS because he's balletic if he's not actually delivering whats outlined in the categories. IIRC his ballet past wasn't even long enough to be particularly significant?

 I think his programs this season are better than last season and I think he's well in the race for podium but I'd sooner see Javi, Shoma or Boyang up there next to Yuzu and only really see Javi maybe Shoma as potentially getting gold if by some horrible twist of fate Yuzu bombs (*touches all the wood touch I have complete faith in yuzu*). Shoma has areas of PCS he's good at, and others that still have room to grow but he's trying (even if his tech execution is meh and his fs is a bit of a letdown...) and Boyang has shown he's putting sooo much effort into improving his PCs. Nathan's programs are an improvement but I really anticipate a lot being lost from the fs when he adds his 5-6 quads he's thinking of adding which is understandable but a shame. And compared to Boyang and Shoma he really doesn't seem to care much about improving his artistry which is also understandable considering his PCS shoots up so long as he lands his quads. Same reason Shoma isn't rushing to improve his execution and letting his artistic development sit on the back burner; instead focusing on getting what he can do stable and consistent.

 

tbh tho the only people i super care about making podium are Yuzu and Javi. I'd love for them to 1-2. Third can go to anyone. I love Shoma so kinda root for him but if we're talking who has the better programs as of right now it's more between Boyang and Nathan. I'd kinda love for Boyang to get it just because he gets sort of ignored when it comes to hyping the top men.

I agree with you pretty much completely. I think a lot of people also see Nathan's programs being an improvement as a much greater improvement than it actually is. Shoma to me seems closest to Yuzu in terms of mixing the artistry and technical side, but Boyang seems to be making the most effort, somehow? (Although I watched his FS at Finlandia and I did not like it... but it was wobbly, so it's maybe not fair to judge him on it). And I also half expect him to end up on the podium while everyone's hyping up others. I wonder if Shoma can live with the pressure people around him are putting on him. And Nathan's plan is a big gamble (although, indeed, his only chance for this year).

 

And I want Yuzu and Javi, too. It helps that Javi doesn't care about gold that much, so he'd probably enjoy second more than anyone ^^; And especially if he does retire, it'd be great for them to share that podium.

[robin]

Hey guys,

just a reminder that skaters that are not Yuzu can either be discussed on the General Skating Chat or the Team threads in Igloo World. Thanks for helping us in keeping the planet organized 

 

 

[Sombreuil]

Sorry - feel free to shift any of my posts over there- I lose track sometimes

[robin]

9 minutes ago, Sombreuil said:

Sorry - feel free to shift any of my posts over there- I lose track sometimes

 

It's ok, it's normal to get carried away sometimes haha

Just reminding you guys to continue the discussion in the respective threads since it's not related to Yuzu anymore 

 

eta: It's possible to quote posts from one thread into another, btw

[Floria]

This tweet says where will be transit restrictions in Moscow because of Rostelecom Cup.

[xeyra]

17 minutes ago, CupidsBow said:

 

I'm with you on that. the reputation scoring in PCS especially is a mess and it wouldn't be a bad idea for Nathan's team to try to milk that by raising his PCS early in the season then taking out a bunch of transitions to make way for quads later knowing his pcs won;t drop much and possibly continue to rise.

 

but sure ISU, ignore how shitty PCS scoring is and f*ck with BVs instead...

 

Some things just naturally get changed as you go along, of course. I remember missing the H&L Besti squat Yuzu had at ACI but I think it was gone by NHK (I didn't watch Skate Canada so not sure if it was still there). He just did a spread eagle there instead of a Besti. But in Nathan's case, he's going to have to set up for 6-7 quads and that's not going to be easy and the program will probably have to suffer somewhere for it. I'm still waiting for clean Seimei 2.0 to convince me to love it more than Seimei 1.0, much like I'm still trying to be convinced that Turandot 2.0 can be as good as Turandot 1.0 (better costume, though, A+++ choice there). 

 

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[Floria]

hace 3 minutos , xeyra said:

 

Some things just naturally get changed as you go along, of course. I remember missing the H&L Besti squat Yuzu had at ACI but I think it was gone by NHK (I didn't watch Skate Canada so not sure if it was still there). He just did a spread eagle there instead of a Besti. But in Nathan's case, he's going to have to set up for 6-7 quads and that's not going to be easy and the program will probably have to suffer somewhere for it. I'm still waiting for clean Seimei 2.0 to convince me to love it more than Seimei 1.0, much like I'm still trying to be convinced that Turandot 2.0 can be as good as Turandot 1.0 (better costume, though, A+++ choice there). 

 

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It seems that Biellmann spin has gone from Seimei 2.0. I guess there are sacrificies to be made to have 5 quads LP,  but I don't like the idea.  

[SparkleSalad]

4 minutes ago, xeyra said:

 

Some things just naturally get changed as you go along, of course. I remember missing the H&L Besti squat Yuzu had at ACI but I think it was gone by NHK (I didn't watch Skate Canada so not sure if it was still there). He just did a spread eagle there instead of a Besti.

 

I love the little changes that happened to H&L throughout the season. And that they all came together at worlds in the most perfect and beautiful performance ever is like a really for real fairytale.  

[xeyra]

4 minutes ago, Floria said:

It seems that Biellmann spin has gone from Seimei 2.0. I guess there are sacrificies to be made to have 5 quads LP,  but I don't like the idea.  

 

I don't think ACI is a good indicator of whether he's removed the Biellman permanently. He didn't do a Biellman in H&L at ACI 2016 or at 4CC either and it was back in later competitions. Yuzu did come out of a week of rest to compete at ACI due to the knee issue, it's possible he was just saving his body the strain of a Biellman for this particular competition.

[Xen]

Just now, xeyra said:

 

I don't think ACI is a good indicator of whether he's removed the Biellman permanently. He didn't do a Biellman in H&L at ACI 2016 either and it was back in later competitions. Yuzu did come out of a week of rest to compete at ACI due to the knee issue, it's possible he was just saving his body the strain of a Biellman for this particular competition.

Agree- doesn't he normally stretch his right leg too for the biellman? In which case, maybe he was just going easy on his knee.

But it's so nice he has so many position variations for his spins.

Speaking of which, wonder if he has the flexibility for a layback haircutter spin? That one is more work for the back though, and if biellman's are giving him back pain already at times, maybe not a good idea?

[SparkleSalad]

Much as I love it, I hope it stays gone if it's been giving him trouble, at least for awhile. He seemed so off at 4CC and I don't want him to have to get a robo-spine.