Guest turquoiseblue Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Fay said: I'd still give the medal to Yulia Lipnitskaya here. I would love to see more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cucciolo888 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Fay said: I'd still give the medal to Yulia Lipnitskaya here. Amazing, did Yulia paint them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, cucciolo888 said: Amazing, did Yulia paint them? She drew them, yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cucciolo888 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 20 minutes ago, Fay said: She drew them, yeah... thanks, wonderfull skater and very interesting person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cucciolo888 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Alina Zagitova's work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralucutzagy Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 OMG! Smirnoff, do something with that hair, man!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeyra Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Do the Russian ladies try to out do each other in EVERYTHING? Zhenya, Julia and Zagi are all artists too, I can't even. Amazing ladies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 So I decided to add some substance to the usual fluff here and translated Alexei Mishin's interview. The interviewer is Olga Ermolina http://www.fsrussia.ru/intervyu/3022-aleksej-mishin-programma-bez-chetvernykh-pryzhkov-vse-ravno-chto-sup-iz-topora.html Alexei Mishin: "The program without quadruple jumps is like soup made from an axe" June 28, 2017 Coach Alexei Mishin talks about his students, single skating, difficult jumps, which he thinks are an important means for creating a highly artistic work on the ice. "A coach should always see something positive in his athletes" - Alexei Nikolayevich, how are your skaters preparing for the upcoming season? How is Liza Tuktamysheva? - Lisa is now choosing between to be or not to be. And the coming season will be decisive for her. Liza's new programs are interesting, vibrant, which, with her good technical content, will solve her most difficult problems. If we talk about other athletes, we are pleased with the progress of Sonya Samodurova, who this season will prove to be not only a good athlete, but also her acting abilities. Alina Solovyova regains her physical form step by step, and I think she is one of the most plastic girls in our figure skating. And the boys? - You see the coach always needs to see something positive in his students, otherwise their progress will be pointless. So, considering our men's single skating, I would like to note the pros of their athletes. In my opinion, the competitions of recent seasons show that Alexander Petrov can be given a prize as the most consistent figure skater of our team. Petrov has a wonderful characteristic any athlete needs: he shows what he can do at competitions. If the athlete does not have this quality, then all the efforts of the coach are doomed to failure. Sasha Petrov knows how to do it and he is capable of showing it. If we talk about Andrey Lazukin and we highlight his positive aspects, then I would say that in his appearance Andrey is one of the most elegant and well-built figure skaters who has the most ideal build for figure skating. In addition, he is a gifted athlete, he has a way of gliding weightlessly. And, taking into account the fact that Andrey started jumping 4Lo this year at training sessions and test skates, then I have great hopes of his making it into the Russian team. As for younger boys, first of all we pay special attention to skaters with pronounced abilities for quads. Among them, the leaders are Evgeny Semenenko and the young athlete from Kazan Gleb Seyfullin. Zhenya already demonstrates a triple axel a quadruple toeloop at competitions and is close to the execution of the quadruple salchow. As for Gleb, together with Rezeda Kadyrova we will try to reveal his abilities. - You do not say anything about Liza Nugumanova and Pyotr Gumennik? - I invested a lot of efforts into these skaters, they are trained to do a lot, but I will say about these athletes: I wasn't happy with relationships between me, the coach, the students and their parents. "The atmosphere of Tartu is imbued with high intelligence" - Now, together with the guys, you are having a camp in Courchevel. The choice of this place is understandable: the mountains, the height, stamina-training. But every year, you also have a camp in Tartu. What attracts you there? - The question of organizing training camps is rather complicated. But we were fortunate back then to meet a good organizer from the city of Tartu, Kirsty Kull, who arranges our camps and summer international camps. During the year, Kirsti thinks out all the details, conditions, logistics, transport, and when the time comes, we arrive there and everything is ready. An important component of these camps is that the expenses for taking our athletes along are reduced by attracting foreign participants. At the same time, we have as much ice as we need. During these camps we have test skates, which are actually free performances for the residents of the city. Considering the retrospective of our summer camps, I would like to remind you that many figure skaters have mastered the technique of jumping under my guidance, including some outstanding skaters like Sarah Meyer, Kiira Korpi, Stephane Lambiel, Javier Fernandez, Carolina Kostner, young figure skater Zijun Li and others And why Tartu? This is a relatively inexpensive city. Good facilities, everything is close at hand, it's cosy and quiet, nothing distracts athletes from work. The very atmosphere of the city is imbued with high intelligence. 90 percent of Tartu residents are students, teachers or employees of the University, which is the oldest in Europe. The way we're treated is wonderful. And at the training camps there is a serious and creative atmosphere. - What experts did you call this time? - Every year we try to invite new choreographers for the production of programs. In general, the choice of a choreographer is a very important aspect. In our group - some like it, some do not - we consider the work choreographers do as something unfinished. Many foreign choreographers make programs in order to show what good choreographers they are - highly aesthetic. We are faced with the task of making a program which will allow a skater to win a medal. In this respect, Tatiana Prokofieva is a choreographer who herself lays out the programs and which brings these drafts to the final stages, makes the program comfortable for the skater. She is a master in this respect. This year we invited a relatively little-known choreographer Adam Solya to to our training camp. He is from Belgium, half Hungarian. Before that, I saw several of his programs on the ice, the programs that he made for other skaters. I liked Adam's style. I think that we will continue our cooperation. The athletes of our group also worked with the famous choreographer Lori Nichol. She made a program for Carolina Kostner to the music of a ballet of the Diaghilev seasons in Paris, with the choreography inspired by the "Afternoon Rest of the Faun" performed by Nijinsky. Laurie made both programs for our Chinese skater Zijun Li. Let me remind you that in previous years the figure skaters of our group were helped by Emmanuel Sandhu and Misha Ge with the productions of the programs. We continue our many years of cooperation with the outstanding representative of the French school of choreography Benoit Richard. Ramil Mekdiyev, a soloist of Igor Moiseyev's ensemble, came to us in Tartu, and this was a pleasant surprise. I would like to note that our cooperation with choreographers is of a mutual nature. Choreographers learn a lot of new things for themselves from experience, concepts that have been formed over the years in our group. And each time when the joint work is over, they do not hide that they have received additional knowledge, which in many ways contribute to these specialists becoming more and more in demand over time. In fact, cooperation with such athletes as Plushenko, Gachinsky, Tuktamysheva, Petrov, Lazukin establishes these choreographers as world class experts in figure skating and raises their rank. "Single skating is the root system of all figure skating" - Recently, we often hear coaches say that it is difficult to find partners for pair skating and dances. Do you have any thoughts on this matter? - At present, we cerainly see a shortage of partners in both pair skating and ice dancing. In this regard, I recall the aphorism of my academic supervisor, three-times USSR champion in pair skating, Professor, Alexander Borisovich Gandelsman, who unfortunately is no longer with us. He said that single skating is the root system of all figure skating. I believe that this view is relevant even now. I think that since this situation has arisen, we need to think about the meaning of this phrase and increase the share of single skating in the total mass of people doing our sport. I can say quite confidently that in such countries as the USA, Canada, Japan, Korea and others, the ratio of those who do single skating and those who take up pair skating and ice dances, is in favour of single skaters. I was lucky to be a witness, if not to say a participant, of the formation of modern trends in pair skating. How were the athletes for pair skating selected before? If you were not good at single skating, you were transferred to the pair skating. If you are not suitable for single or pair skating, then you can only do dances. If it does not work out there, you become a coach. If you're no good as a coach, you start to judge. And if it did not work out in any of these roles, then where else to go? That is a joke, of course. But seriously, in those days when we skated as a pair with Tamara Moskvina and went out for warm-ups or training, we were the best single skaters. Our technical arsenal greatly exceeded the that of our rivals. When the famous French coach Madame Vaudecrane saw what we were doing on the ice, she exclaimed: "This is a single skating! They jump without stopping! " And now, years later, you can't get anywhere without jumps. Now the pair skaters jump triple lutz, triple-triple combinations, and in the future pair skating will become more complicated. So now, to make a pair, you need to take two good single skaters and in a season there will emerge a new pair. Do not prepare pair skaters in childhood. Boys are still weak then, girls grow fast, a lot remains unpredictable in their physical development. By the way, the latest events in ice dancing also confirm my idea that there will also be dance teams composed of two strong single skaters. Certainly, Lyudmila Belousova and Oleg Protopopov brought the artistic element to figure skating. But speaking of our pair with Tamara, we can say that we were also iconic figures. We were one of the first pairs formed of two strong single skaters. We were the pioneers of this trend. And look today: we hadour two single skaters Alexandra Boykova and Dmitry Kozlovsky transfer pair skating and they took off right away! Therefore, there should be more good single skaters. And then, I am sure, thanks to a better selection of partners, we will become better in pairs and dances. I talked with the heads of Russian federation on this topic and they agreed. "All processes in nature are fluctuating" - What prevents us today from bringing up strong male singles such as Yuzuru Hanyu and other world top skaters? - Now we have a lot of girls and few boys. If we take any beginner group, the ratio of girls to boys is 8 to 2. It is clear that the competition among girls is much higher, which helps them show progress. But if we talk dialectically, then all processes in nature have a fluctuational character. Tell me, where is the once invincible English ice dance school headed by Towler and Ford? Where are Austrian Schwarz and Danzer? Where is a French Calmat? Where is a Czech Nepela? An American Peggy Fleming? So I suggest we don't give into panic, but understand that such unique creatures of nature as Hanyu, whose magic combination of chromosomes led to the fantastic constitutional and motor abilities, supplemented by tremendous capacity for work, are very few and far between. In all my life in Soviet figure skating, we had wonderful pairs, dancers, strong menbut there were no decent women skaters. Probably, now it is somehow compensated, and we must do everything to eliminate the existing imbalance. I want to remind you the wise words of our Head of the Federation Alexander Gorshkov: "There can not be too many strong girls in our team". And the World Championships in Helsinki showed that this is actually true. After the end of the championship, only one turned out to be "unbeatable". But at the beginning of the season, many took offense at my words, when I looked at all of our contenders, and then the word was going about that Russian women skaters were invincible and no one else stood a chance, I said that the term "invincible" can only be applied to Medvedeva. It turned out to be true. And I want to say one more thing. When I was establishing myself as a coach - and back then, only people who achieved high results in sports, European and World Championship medalists started our as coaches - the fundamental training methods in figure skating were only being formed. And the athletes who managed to cross the "Iron Curtain" and to become familiar with the current state of the world figure skating, were the ones who became coaches for the Soviet team. I remember Zhuk, Pliner, Moskvin, myself constantly filming the performances and training sessions of the best figure skaters of the world on our old-fashioned amateur cinematic cameras. In the future, the methodology and the training system were formed, and the jumps of Urmanov, Tataurov, Yagudin, Plushenko and other my athletes became the golden standard for jumping quads. Currently, any athlete can become a coach, even those who have not even achieved great results in their careers, as long as they use the established methodology. Moreover, the modern judging system has brought the mathematical component to the forefront. Previously, we tried to make an outstanding program - a masterpiece, not constrained by the number of turns, the number of rockers and counter, by how horizontal the thigh is, by the number of revolutions in the sit spin... "If jumps go, then mustard, vinegar and pepper also disappear" - Do you think that at the Olympics in Korea we will see men jump as many quadruples as at the recent World Championship? We will. And even more quads. The one who will try to make a quadruple lutz or flip, two salchows and two toe-loops will win. The one who will create the best reputation in the current season will win. And, of course, the one who'll have the luck and the correct arrangement of stars in the sky. - After the World Championship they began to talk that the programs of men with so many quads are built according to this scheme: run up and jump, the artistic component is absent. How to deal with this? - In time, everything will fall into place. I have a great example when, before Vancouver Olympics, many said that they do not need quads, that they will beat Plushenko in transitions component. The processes occurring in sports and in other spheres of human activity depend not only on their spontaneous development, they are also manageable. Then, at the 2010 Olympics, the pendulum of the International Skating Union (ISU) swung in favour of the transition component. However, after those Olympics, Lysacek and Chan themselves rushed to learn quadruples. I have always tried to ensure that my athletes jumped technically difficult jumps, with the maximum number of rotations. It is a profound misconception that the execution of difficult jumps and aesthetic beauty are mutually exclusive concepts. When brilliant figure skaters started skating in shows after their competitive career was over and stopped jumping difficult jumps, it looked boring. Yes, the skaters looked flexible, elegant, high-class, but as soon as their programs lost difficult jumps, then mustard, vinegar and pepper disappeared. All this was not impressive. Because one of the most convincing means of expressing choreographic ideas in any skater's programs are the most difficult jumps. Even the spectators sitting in the stands distinguish very well the number of revolutions performed in the air and they reward the performers with applause accordingly. It would be foolish to say that the spins and the steps are not important. They are also components of success. But the program without quadruple jumps is like soup made from an axe. And no matter how much celery and parsley you try putting into it, this soup will never taste good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meoima Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Thank you Fay for the translation. Quote Because one of the most convincing means of expressing choreographic ideas in any skater's programs are the most difficult jumps. Even the spectators sitting in the stands distinguish very well the number of revolutions performed in the air and they reward the performers with applause accordingly. No, Mishin. No. I respect him but most of the time audience can not tell which jump is which. And they definitely won't be thrilled with an ugly quad with bad landing. 4 rotation or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannah Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 @Fay , thanks again! "Lisa is now choosing between to be or not to be. And the coming season will be decisive for her" What did he try to say? Any thoughts? She looks stronger and more motivated in her instagram but his words don't seem to be too supportive... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hannah said: @Fay , thanks again! "Lisa is now choosing between to be or not to be. And the coming season will be decisive for her" What did he try to say? Any thoughts? She looks stronger and more motivated in her instagram but his words don't seem to be too supportive... . Just a sec... I have to re-edit the post... It plays funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeyra Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hannah said: @Fay , thanks again! "Lisa is now choosing between to be or not to be. And the coming season will be decisive for her" What did he try to say? Any thoughts? She looks stronger and more motivated in her instagram but his words don't seem to be too supportive... . I guess next season will be do or die for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, xeyra said: I guess next season will be do or die for her. It will just as for older girls, I feel. Anna and Elena might be in the same boat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeyra Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Reading Mishin's words is always interesting but there's so much I don't agree with him on. Quote When brilliant figure skaters started skating in shows after their competitive career was over and stopped jumping difficult jumps, it looked boring. Maybe to you, Mr. Mishin, but there's plenty of people who actually prefer that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, xeyra said: Reading Mishin's words is always interesting but there's so much I don't agree with him on. Maybe to you, Mr. Mishin, but there's plenty of people who actually prefer that! Yeah, so Jason Brown and Misha Ge are boring whereas Boyang and Nathan are artistic. Yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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