General Yuzuru Chat

[YuzuSkating_IsTheTruth]

On 9/17/2021 at 6:10 AM, Mary_kyo said:

Definitely, the outcome should matter in a fair game. Correct evaluation of the athletes is the least any governing body should provide to award all those hard works properly. But when ISU goes for politicking game and even fans don’t know (or even care) about the rules, I can’t call figure skating a “ competitive sport”. Honestly, figure skating shouldn’t be near the Olympics stage at this point. I have no power to change this faulty system and that’s why I won’t care about Beijing, not because I belittle the athlete’s efforts. My brain says that I shouldn't care but I'm not sure how my heart will behave

 

 

Yes, underscoring and humiliating him was heartbreaking. They might have done everything to dethrone him but it feels like this has backfired and actually caused more passionate support from the fans. Watching him not giving up (although he has won everything), still keeping his ideal skating (although not appreciated by the judges), going for 4A (although he is mocked) makes him very inspirational. His struggles makes his journey more special and his successes more meaningful. I hope this epic journey will have a happy beautiful ending as he desires.

 

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BTW, I was watching Sasha’s recent free skate. I was thinking how her skate proved that Nathan’s legacy, that is, landing many quads in an empty program is not some far-fetched achievement. We will probably see this in near future again but how long it will take us to see another skater like Yuzu?

 

@Yuzuwinne and @Mary_kyo, I take comfort with your kind words and the sharing of your views which I totally agree with. Appreciate that I can lean on fellow satellites, esp. the seasoned ones in this Olympic season to help maintain my composure and sanity.

[YuzuSkating_IsTheTruth]

On 9/17/2021 at 7:49 AM, KendallKlaire said:

Absolutely agree.  This reminds me of what Oksana Baiul(?) said in a recent interview about how quads are impressive for a second, but what's interesting about the rest of the program? People get bored of things so fast. Sadly, as excited as I should be about women jumping quads, I am already bored or unimpressed by it because the girls doing them are mostly Eteri girls who seek to win above creating a complete program. Because I know that the judges will go crazy with points even without transitions, great skating skills, or interpretation, what even is figure skating now?

I, for one, cannot stay interested for long (if I can last till the end, let’s not even talk about rewatching) over programs that are either too athletic or artistic. On the contrary, my senses felt blessed after a Yuzu performance (including his competitive programs). He makes music through his unique blend of high technicalities and brilliant artistry, bringing out fully the mood/character alive, enabling his performances to outlast time. This, sets him apart from other talented figure skaters. Hence, I have no issues rewatching his older programs which are timeless acts eg. RJ1 and PW. He always brings with him element of surprises which keep viewers interested, excited and wanting more.

[cereus]

On 9/19/2021 at 8:10 AM, Henni147 said:

 

 

I share it here too, because I'd like to collect as many impressions as possible.

It can be absolutely anything that comes to your mind. Correct answers only.

 

1. Yuzu's skating is beautiful.

2. Somehow using the same piece of music for these different programs highlights his dynamic range more than I think a montage of the same clips with their original music would.

3. Nevertheless I found it very uncomfortable to watch because of my strong associations between those clips and the original music. It just sounded wrong because I expected to hear something different. This effect was stronger when I had more emotional connections to a specific clip.

[Henni147]

16 hours ago, rockstaryuzu said:

2. the original music fits the performance better 

 

7 hours ago, cereus said:

3. Nevertheless I found it very uncomfortable to watch because of my strong associations between those clips and the original music. It just sounded wrong because I expected to hear something different. This effect was stronger when I had more emotional connections to a specific clip.

 

This is exactly what I hoped to hear 

 

Remember my post about the PCS scoring of Yuzu's programs? The last months I spent a lot of time on analyzing Yuzu's different programs, focusing on the compostion and especially the interpretation of the music which includes:

 

1. Music genre and vibe

2. Tempo

3. Timing and rhythm

4. Volume

5. Range and tone sequences

6. Keys and tonality

7. Chords and harmonies

8. Timbre and set of instruments

9. Use of vocals (optional)

10. Story or message behind the piece (optional)

 

In dancing, figure skating and any other sport that uses music, the aim must be to translate the music piece 1:1 into body movements in a way that with muted sound you as a viewer are still able to reconstruct the original piece from the movements. Just like you are able to reconstruct the sound of the piece from the symbols on the music sheet. That means especially: If the original piece gets exchanged by another one - no matter how thoughtful the choice is - there must be a certain degree of mismatch that feels awkward while watching. If not, the interpretation of the original music by the performer was not precise and characteristic enough.

 

In case of this edit I realized that the skating matches the overlay piece in most parts regarding tempo and change of volume, in some cases also the on/off-beats and translation of high and low notes (not all). However, especially the vibe and character of the performance, including mimics, hand gestures and further body language, were not in tune with the overlay music.

 

And I think, this is what makes Yuzu's skating so extra special. No matter how hard you try to exchange the music, he and the original piece are one, unseparably. You need to watch 5 seconds of his skating and you already hear the sound of the original music ringing in your ears.

 

The most perfect interpretation ever was probably 4CC Chopin, because he fully met all bullets from 1 to 8, even the keys and tonality which is insanely difficult to realize in dancing. If you rewatch the skate, you will see that he translated

- all tempo changes with precise accelerations

- the length of each music note by matching it with the duration/length of the skating stroke

- the dynamics in volume by changing the power and intensity of his strokes

- the highs and lows by moving his body up and down in tune with the melody

- every keystroke of the piano with an accentuated foot or hand movement.

It's truly insane what he did there. Even a 10.00 in interpretation wouldn't do that performance justice. Should be 15.00 or 20.00.

[sallycinnamon]

Asian Open entries are up and Yuzu is not on the entry list. So it seems NHK Trophy will be his first competition in the season...

 

https://results.isu.org/events/cschn2021_Men.htm

[rockstaryuzu]

2 hours ago, Henni147 said:

The most perfect interpretation ever was probably 4CC Chopin, because he fully met all bullets from 1 to 8, even the keys and tonality which is insanely difficult to realize in dancing. If you rewatch the skate, you will see that he translated

- all tempo changes with precise accelerations

- the length of each music note by matching it with the duration/length of the skating stroke

- the dynamics in volume by changing the power and intensity of his strokes

- the highs and lows by moving his body up and down in tune with the melody

- every keystroke of the piano with an accentuated foot or hand movement.

It's truly insane what he did there. Even a 10.00 in interpretation wouldn't do that performance justice. Should be 15.00 or 20.00.

And that's what you get when you don't give a fiddlers tinkle about people complaining that you're 'always recycling' and instead take all the time you need to perfect a performance.  

[rockstaryuzu]

1 hour ago, sallycinnamon said:

Asian Open entries are up and Yuzu is not on the entry list. So it seems NHK Trophy will be his first competition in the season...

 

https://results.isu.org/events/cschn2021_Men.htm

Wow. He's starting the season really late, then. 

[Yuzuwinnie]

4 hours ago, Henni147 said:

 

 

This is exactly what I was hoping to hear 

 

Vous vous souvenez de mon article sur la notation PCS des programmes de Yuzu ? Les derniers mois j'ai passé beaucoup de temps à analyser les différents programmes de Yuzu, en me concentrant sur la composition et surtout l'interprétation de la musique qui comprend :

 

1. Genre musical et ambiance

2. Tempo

3. Timing et rythme

4. Volume

5. Gammes et séquences de tonalités

6. Touches et tonalité

7. Accords et harmonies

8. Timbre et ensemble d'instruments

9. Utilisation de la voix (facultatif)

10. Histoire ou message derrière la pièce (facultatif)

 

Dans la danse, le patinage artistique et tout autre sport utilisant de la musique, l'objectif doit être de traduire la pièce musicale 1:1 en mouvements corporels de manière à ce qu'avec un son étouffé, vous, en tant que spectateur, puissiez toujours reconstruire la pièce originale à partir des mouvements. . Tout comme vous êtes capable de reconstituer le son du morceau à partir des symboles de la partition. Cela signifie en particulier : si la pièce originale est échangée par une autre - peu importe à quel point le choix est réfléchi - il doit y avoir un certain degré de non-concordance qui semble gênant en regardant. Sinon, l'interprétation de la musique originale par l'interprète n'était pas assez précise et caractéristique.

 

Dans le cas de cette modification, j'ai réalisé que le patinage correspondait à la pièce de superposition dans la plupart des cas en ce qui concerne le tempo et le changement de volume, dans certains cas également les temps forts et faibles et la traduction des notes hautes et basses (pas toutes). Cependant, en particulier l'ambiance et le caractère de la performance, y compris les mimiques, les gestes de la main et le langage corporel, n'étaient pas en phase avec la musique de superposition.

 

Et je pense que c'est ce qui rend le patinage de Yuzu si spécial. Peu importe à quel point vous essayez d'échanger la musique, lui et la pièce originale ne font qu'un, inséparablement. Vous devez regarder 5 secondes de son patinage et vous entendez déjà le son de la musique originale résonner dans vos oreilles.

 

L'interprétation la plus parfaite de tous les temps était probablement 4CC Chopin, car il a parfaitement rencontré toutes les balles de 1 à 8, même les touches et la tonalité qui sont incroyablement difficiles à réaliser en dansant. Si vous revoyez le skate, vous verrez qu'il a traduit

- tous les changements de tempo avec des accélérations précises

- la longueur de chaque note de musique en la faisant correspondre à la durée/longueur du coup de patin

- la dynamique en volume en changeant la puissance et l'intensité de ses coups

- les hauts et les bas en bougeant son corps de haut en bas en accord avec la mélodie

- chaque frappe du piano avec un mouvement accentué du pied ou de la main.

C'est vraiment fou ce qu'il a fait là. Même un 10,00 en interprétation ne rendrait pas justice à cette performance. Devrait être 15h00 ou 20h00.

 

 

BRAVO for your comment : you are musi cien? To analyze music so well and ALL that musical? and I would not be surprised to learn, one day, that Yuzu in perfect pitch, because we see him in practice when he counts with his hands,  as I think? The musical movements and I saw Chopin 4 ° C, and I found one with the comments Yuzu and he talks a lot of music, and here I actually  

 

 

  

[sweetwater]

1 hour ago, rockstaryuzu said:

Wow. He's starting the season really late, then. 

At least he starts the new one earlier than the last one  It's just a month and a half from now... 

[cereus]

Adorable! Too bad the two available dates are already booked.

 

 

 

[Guest Mary_kyo]

The way I really miss Yuzu’s skating but not his scores~~~

I’m dying to know his SP and how he has evolved Tenchi, his condition and how much he has improved and what stage he is in training 4A, not to mention the custome and the placements of the jumps in his SP (and also new Tenchi layout)…. but at the same, the peace of not having to deal with ISU’s dramas for now is kinda nice too  

 

[Henni147]

4 hours ago, rockstaryuzu said:

And that's what you get when you don't give a fiddlers tinkle about people complaining that you're 'always recycling' and instead take all the time you need to perfect a performance.  

 

Yes, exactly. It's like Yuzu said himself: Ballade No. 1 is like good wine and cheese that needs time to age.

In the pamphlet of Fantasy on Ice 2017 he mentioned that, back in 2014, Jeff and him had a clear vision of the program in mind already, but he lacked the maturity and technical skills to realize their vision at that time. And he took the time. He didn't throw away the program that had so much potential, but took all the effort to get the absolute maximum out of it and perform not one but a whole series of performances that will be remembered and rewatched for decades.

 

Imagine if he had dropped Ballade after the 14/15 season without a clean performance. What a waste of potential and big loss for the world that would have been... and how grateful we must be that he brought LGC back for SOI this year! Sure, that program deserves a larger rink, but it's a start. In Yuzu's case we must not talk about "recycling" but rather "remastering" of the program, because they get better with every year.

 

 

I have a serious suggestion for two new PCS caps:

1. If a skater uses the exact same choreography for two entirely different music pieces, the interpretation score must not be higher than 5.00 by default.

2. If one or two sections of the programs have identical choreo (like the same step sequence), the IN score must not be higher than 7.50.

 

#SorryNotSorry

 

 

2 hours ago, Yuzuwinnie said:

BRAVO for your comment : you are musi cien? To analyze music so well and ALL that musical? and I would not be surprised to learn, one day, that Yuzu in perfect pitch, because we see him in practice when he counts with his hands,  as I think? The musical movements and I saw Chopin 4 ° C, and I found one with the comments Yuzu and he talks a lot of music, and here I actually    

 

OT:

Spoiler

 

I learned to play the soprano and alto flute and concert xylophone in elementary school (also reading music sheets) and played in the local chamber orchestra for 8 years. My favorite of the three is the concert xylophone with its beautifully soft and soothing sound. The instrument I used was similar to the one in the video below, but without height adjustment (I could only play while standing) and I only had a set of 3 different mallets:

 

 

We also had some performances in church where I got the rare opportunity to play the organ (that was a spiritual experience I will never forget). But I did not have enough practice time to really master that instrument. Maybe when there is time in the future, I will come back to that challenge.

 

 

[rockstaryuzu]

2 hours ago, Henni147 said:

In the pamphlet of Fantasy on Ice 2017 he mentioned that, back in 2014, Jeff and him had a clear vision of the program in mind already, but he lacked the maturity and technical skills to realize their vision at that time.

 that's actually kind of incredible. It implies that they're a creative partnership made in heaven. The fact that not only did they both have a clear vision of the program, but that they - and especially Yuzu - stuck to it until it was fully realized, makes me wonder what other visions they had/have for his programs, and if Yuzu is still pursuing those, too. Maybe it's not just a coincidence that Yuzu's been bringing other old programs back. 

 

That makes me so frustrated that Yuzu and Jeff aren't able to work together in person right now. I wanna see what else they make!

[EisElle]

On 9/20/2021 at 8:40 PM, rockstaryuzu said:

They made Yuzu look so cool. So kakkoi. 

 

Excuse me, Yuzu is cool and kakkoi

ok, the artist got his I'm a cool senpai side very well, now I'm curious how they'd portray his goofier side

 

On 9/21/2021 at 4:27 PM, sweetwater said:

At least he starts the new one earlier than the last one  It's just a month and a half from now... 

that's what I thought too😅

Last season we had to wait till late December, and he left us hanging and wondering even during official practices Well, of course it was also fun... I mean, what else could you do, if not laugh at the collective meltdown? Especially after you woke up in the dead of the night because your sixth sense told you Yuzuru's practice time was up, only to find out that no one in the arena had recognized the music...

Praying for healthy Yuzu, so we can see him in Novemeber for real, happy and confident and well-trained and with a new SP

With Tenchi, I look forward to the little tweaks, for example I hope the hand variation from WTT was there to stay ETA: I meant on his sit spin of course

I'm not thinking about layout yet

[cereus]

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