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I'm through Wakaba, it's about 20 mins so far for me, I'm not quite used to counting all the StSq yet.

Okay, I've added Gabby in! How would Fay share her TP results then? But I'll add the StSq notes separately then, especially if I differ with the original TP, then we can debate it out.

Nah, I'm happy to share mine. I'm a generous TP remember? Well anyways, TPs get burned anyways, so might as well get used to it.

Alrighto people, get your pitchforks ready! Um, I need help not sure how to hide it from people outside of here, but here we go. For BV I used http://fisk8-score-calc.herokuapp.com/ I went in the SP results order. I tried to count spin levels but gave up halfway. Sorry. So first up: Gabby Daleman Okay, Wakababy, with some issues on the StSq. Again, not bothering to count the spins. Elena Radionova: it's 3 am so I got lazy on the StSq Alina Zagitova: Now TukTuk! By the way, if anyone is curious what a good lutz take off looks like for the ladies, go watch Tuktuk's. Gods it's gorgeous, I can watch it all day. Marin Honda...oh boy, Marin fans don't kill me plz. Mai Mihara:

Well compared to Yuzu, no one seems competitive, it's an issue of relativity.

Did you watch the special they did of Javi, where Tracy said sometimes Javi will walk in with jacket and a cup of coffee, see Yuzu jumping on the other side of the rink, and off goes the jacket, down goes the cup of coffee and Javi goes to work? Javi might look chill, but inside, probably not always chill. That's not how a non-competitive person responds.

Maybe he's just doing singles so he still has the feeling of jumping? He can still test his ankle throughout, but single jumps won't strain his ankle too much, and won't require as much height. Still though. Yuzu be careful and make sure you completely heal, dammit!

TP here is currently MIA due to CiONTO stuff. Um...I'll go start looking at stuff tonight. =)

Get some gel sleeves for your ankles just in case. I'm not sure how Riedell's are right now, heard they are better. However my fondest (or not) memory of riedells from 10 years ago was having the cuff of the boot chafe against my ankles so badly, it left blood marks all arond (I initially thought it was just sweat). =( They were fine after a month or so of wear, but the horrid memory still lives with me, because the cuff of the boots had minimal padding. BTW, you'll love cor ace blades. The higher up blade for it, with a similar rocker profile, is the pattern 99.

Okay....I thought that you know, we've already got Yuzu+PIano, we're still missing Yuzu+strings (violin or cello). But then, maybe he wants to branch out into lesser known and used instruments. So recently, I've started checking out other concertos-has anyone ever considered Yuzu+flute (or other wind instruments)? Which could be amazing for his footwork. Schubert, Schumann, there are flute versions of even Ravel, Satie, and Debussy, and even Chopin!

I think it's really the former-figure skating is still a niche sport, relative to say tennis, football, basketball etc. As much as Yuzu wants to Ninja-out, he does seem pretty easy to spot in my opinion, if you know what to look for-his side profile and neck is pretty easy to recognize. But I think it's just that usually fans are pretty polite-sometime last year we had this discussion before about how most of us, even if we ran into him, or sat next to him in line at the airport, we'd probably keep quiet and not ask him for anything (the most we'd do is probably write a good luck message and paper-plane it to him before running the heck out of there). That and usually, we might have trouble believing we ran into a celebrity/famous person in such a common setting. Really, if a random japanese guy plopped down next to you at the airport waiting lounge, even if he looked like Yuzu, would you really believe that quickly that Yuzu is next to you? It would take a while to register, and by the time it does register, you're making sure you don't act too immature/fangirly out of respect for him. As for arrangements- maybe they allow him to have the more important items as carry-ons? Maybe not everything, but perhaps boots and costume.

*clap clap clap*

We are all eyes....

I'm curious about costume too, but but-it's not off season yet. So I want to keep some watering topics in reserve for the drought in June/July/Aug? Onegai~~~

I know I know....just I'm a very spoiled fan.

That or Night on Bald Mountain by Mussorgsky. =D

I kind of don't see Opera as Yuzu-ish. I almost want to see him try Grieg, Smetana or Mahler.

Cool, but I think that "breezy" quality is something I find often enough with JPN skaters. Something about their SS means they just flow well across the ice. As for Patrick and Yuzu...ahem, I looked at videos and it seems Patrick has better clockwise twizzles than Yuzu. *pokes Yuzu-get on it man*

About ladies...I think in terms of avg skating skills, fundamentals level the JPN ladies are the best. Beautiful knee-usage, nice edges, ability to accelrate. Satton is great at multi directional skating. But, I would probably give second place to Mai Mihara-there is this fancam of her WC2017 FS, and the one thing that stood out to me, in my memory was just how her speed never dropped. No matter what she did, she managed to control her speed to be very consistent throughout. Also, while she can accelerate her twizzles, I think she is fairly consistent in speed in her twizzles, regardless of whether its her favored or non-favored direction.

I think the men's side is easier to settle. Now...female skaters, that's where I really want to read people's analysis. =)

Yes, Nemisis is more an indication of Shae Lynn's skill as a Choreographer, and a good choice. As for Shoma and Boyang-my question is when those hops happened, did they accelerate? As in did they do anything or attempt to change the tempo and speed of their skating? In which case, it is an indicate of lack of full control of their blade, but more within the realm of expectation. In the case of no change of tempo, well yes of course you won't mess up if you're always at your comfort speed and won't need to suddenly dig into deeper edges to gain speed. But then, the inability to vary your speed, while it hits the IN and PE score, it could also serve as indicate of less SS, since you are not willing to vary your speed (or are unable to). If you skate, you'll notice it is harder to do everything if you are trying to push for speed at the same time. For jumps, actually I don't differ that much from you. If you mean jumps as in ability to accelrate, add steps, turns etc before jumping, that I would actually count as SS (well actually I don't give that many points to simple glides). However, I don't consider the ability to fall or land jumps (or do quads/triples) as much an indicator of SS. Part of this IMO, from experience since I've seen young skaters who can land a ton of jumps, but their basic skating and ability to hold edges *suck.* Heck, I'd probably qualify for that category. This is probably the beef I have with people who insist that OMG quad jumps should get a leeway. Okay, fine, to a degree (like 0.1 or less), but where does one draw the line? I've mentioned this elsewhere- hypothetically, if someone does the same program twice, 1 version with just triple jumps, 1 version with quad jumps, and no difference otherwise, why does the quad one deserve more SS points for essentially the same movements? Especially if the guy already did a version with just triples, maybe that is where the skater is in terms of baseline SS capability, and I shouldn't imagine potentially better SS just because of the existence of quads.

My ranges are more averages based on general impression gained throughout the season, and I'm fine with going outside of that. Hmm...after seeing this, I have thought about how I judge. Suppose the easiest way to describe is like this: there is a baseline, and skaters are graded as EE (exceeding expectations), ME (meeting expectations), or BE (below expectations). For me, the baseline ME line is around 8/8.25-this is where I think if you are a senior, you should be able to reach it. For SS, I would factor out jumps (since it would duplicate GOE issues if I do factor jumps heavily into the SS). So in the end, my scores for people, especially on SS, will probably look like a bell curve. There might be a giant cluster of people at 8-8.5, and very few going above 9, and few going below 8. For Nate though, none of his SS makes me give him anything above ME-and actually that's just an average too. I think Nate shows better SS and TR in the short, the long is jump-skate-jump for reasons. But here is where I question things too. I think Nate's SP is a very even tempo, there is little fluctation in pacing/tempo, so there is no need for him to really vary his skating speed. In fact, it covers up quite a bit of what he lacks. If you notice programs from say Yuzu's Chopin and LGC, and even Boyang's CTHD, you'll notice a change in tempo in the music, and Yuzu does speed up a LOT in his first twizzle sequence. Why I want Boyang to re-do CTHD one day, when his SS improves, is I want to see him do that tempo change in his StSq to max potential-right now the tempo change is mostly indicated in his arm movements, less in the footwork. Back to Nate-his LP is where he could use a change in tempo in his skating, as there are noticeable highs/lows. But if you look at the skating, especially in fancam, these highs/lows are not accentauated at ll in the skating. And it's not just footwork-even arms are not used much (Shoma and Boyang at least use their d**n arms). Yes, he has nice stsq and so on, but I find TR movements so far and few in between that other than the stsq, I barely get a chance to judge his SS fully. Add in a lack of variance in tempo, and I would be hard pressed to see anything above 8.5. Maybe it's just a strategy to force me to judge only based on that rare choreographed place, but frankly, I hate being forced to do that, so newp, not buying it. And frankly, if we talk about variance of PCS scores, I would say SS should theoretically be the most consistent of the whole bunch. It's more about the fundamentals of skating, and should be less prone to mood swings. Sure, Patrick Chan might have had problematic jumps, but that doesn't mean his edge depths just decreased due to that. Some of it is innate and habit of skating too. And even if it fluctuates, I'm having trouble seeing an upward swing of 1 point between 2 competitions only 1 month apart, as being justified. Unless of course, the lower SS score competition was just that horrible, the skater bombing everything, tripping over blades even when gliding. TR would have some variance, especially if mistakes force skaters to drop TR movements. IN/CO/PE I think are tied together, and the one I'd expect to see the greatest variance of, scoring wise. As for facial expression- I don't give a d*** about it. Most times I find facial expressions of skaters extremely cringe-worthy (quite a number I'd rather not see), and if the skater's arm/body movements don't match with the music nor extend the emotion expressed, I don't see the point of the facial expression? I mean really, as a judge or audience member, I'm going to be at least 5+ meters away from the skater, possibly over 30 meters away. Do facial expressions register at that range?

Okay fine...what if he's there to get Choreograophy from David Wilson? Does this make it less likely for you to faint? Well he has one program done by Rohene Ward already right? So if he does work with Shae, Jeff or David, which would it be? Does Jeff ever choreograph long programs?

eh.....*looks at cor ace blades and addidas clothing* I suddenly feel very un-fanyu. Mine are ole risport rf3, boot is more a weight issue, some levels factor in. You could totally go for boots up to axel, and maybe Wilson excel blades? Also try out different brands of boots, as each tend to fit certain feet shapes more easily.

I am trying hard to think who does a 3 turn sequence, the closest being probably Yuzu's entry to the 3F.