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Ritual fire dance? o_O How the heck does that mix with Sugar Plum fairies or sleeping beauty?
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You guys are being too direct in this. The implied message is that next season is something that will tie in with the idea of pink, white , light and sugary. So see, it's definitely a mix of the Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy, with the Sleeping Beauty Suite by ole' man Tchaikovsky. Trust me on this. It only sounds odd, but I'm sure Yuzu will do a wonderful job interpreting the heck out of that program.
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I also added The Koi Dance, orchestral version done by the Tokyo Philharmonic conducted by Gustavo Dudamel. Ahem.
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I'm torn between Tchaikovsky's swan lake, sleeping beauty suite, piano concertos, and Rach's Vocalise. But guys...what if it's POTO 2.0 (since he insisted on it before) or *le gasp* Zigeunerweisen (hey, he does like strawberries and things red). Wait, I got it. What is distinctively Yuzu-Koi Dance, done by a full orchestra- the full works of the Tokyo Philharmonic with Gustavo Dudamel as conductor.
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Well so long as he likes the program, we'll probably like it. Granted, he is mister Yuzuru-"I'm gonna be perfect"-Hanyu
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Agreed. I think if we go earlier than 2016 programs, the stsq levels rules changed no? And we should judge more than just specific skaters, otherwise it would legitimately be viewed as biased (hence why I'm not on board re-evaluating Sochi). Okay, only question is do we have full recording on youtube or elsewhere of whole events? I think for the most part, the top six are kind of stable, but then 7-11 could get changed quite a bit. Speaking of which, anyone not judging, willing to help locate videos? As for competitions...how about we start with CoC 2017, ladies top 6. Probably one of the most controversial events all season, and could have changed many many things for the entire GP series? After that, possibly a stab at the Europeans ladies top 6 or top 8? That should be enough drama.
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Well if that's not the first programs+skaters to be served, which one do you think would be the first one to be placed in front of the Tech Panel? We might need to setup a poll or something like that to determine which programs get judged and in what order?
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...why do I have a sneaky feeling first up might be 2018 WC men's?
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...do I still get the ice cream even if you don't like my calls?
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Maybe we can do a couple trial/test runs first to see how it works initially? Then get serious about it.
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Okay, my issue is that what is considered "weak" take off-would there be a difference between male skaters and female skaters. And what we think as a baseline PR for "strong take offs." What standards do we keep? For many male skaters, I would personally say anything above 90 degrees PR on a lutz is weak (in fact, Yuzu, Nate, Boyang and Mikhail barely PR, at least it is within 45 degrees). While on the ladies, many ladies do PR significantly (even Yuna has slight PR, around 90, which is very good for a female skater already). And for many edge jumps, I can barely stand anything above 120 degrees-male or female. Lastly, what about corridor judging? Do we follow that or allow points to really differntiate between say TR and SS?
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Oh @Fay!
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Hmm. Okay, that I can work with. I think marking out the ones over 180 degrees PR is fine. As for anything less than 180, it depends on the jump-most men's tend to only go 90-120 PR, while plenty of female skaters tend to hit about 120+ degrees PR. I would also like to advise that we add at least another TP. Is there anyone we could add? Say, Fay, Yata, Meoima, Lady Lou? I probably only have a few hours during the weekend to look at stuff, so it's probably better that you guys give me ahead of time a list of skaters and competitions you want first. Probably initially just zoom on the jumps UR/edge/PR issues since those are the bigger score-differentiators. This reminds me of that Planet Hanyu commentating panel idea. XD
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I think there are people who aren't Hanyu fans who are aware of this place. =( There are plenty of Hanyu fans who have antis stalk their twitter too. It's pretty sad that there are no two ways about it-only that hopefully people who find this useful, outnumber the antis. Anyways, I'll be okay with being TP if there's a need.
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Depends...I actually don't mind fancams to a degree, since it usually lets me see the actual edge depth a bit better. Necessary in case someone's counter goes off a flat edge. Well if you guys want to be really mean, I could take a stab at TP calls with just fancams. Maybe we should take all this talk to that thread for the actual mock panels? The issue with PR is that judges and TPs usually don't call Pre-rotations. And no slow-mo is permitted. So for Pre-rotations, there are the ones where the skater definitely pre-rotated over 180 degrees. But what about PR between say 120-180 degrees? Would we call that a weak take off/jump entry? And if so, do you actually want a TP to mark those differences out? Or leave the ones under 180 for judges? Lastly, a part of me is a bit nervous about a mock panel coming from a hanyu fan forum. Yes, a lot of us can be very neutral when we have to score, but I can imagine the drama that it can cause from some other fan groups. It's not like Max and Angelo only got praise and love for their commentary and analysis-even they have been called biased. o_O
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I think the major changes were step sequence levels, in which case it shouldn't be too hard for me. If slow-mo is allowed, I can probably ID steps (will need help with Choctaws though ugh). What would amuse me is if results were published-you need some thick skin for some of the onslaught that may come from some corners of the FS community. It would also be amusing though, if the results got thumbed up by say, Max and Angelo.
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7.5....time to cue artistic existential crisis since it went under my bar of 7.75. I don't think he's that bad yet, but needs re-evaluations. Hey, I'm just a judge trying to keep my job, okay? And far far away from investigation. >_>
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I'm a nice TP, definitely not The Shin Amano. =) But I will demand lots of ice cream, salsa and chips after each judging rounds. And maybe a plush toy (a pooh!) to squeeze while I dish out the ruling. =P Actually compared to you guys, I'd be the most generous judge EVAR on PCS. "You have an 8, and you here have a 9, and oh, 8.25's for everyone else!" Seriously, I feel a bit bad if I go under 7.5 for most senior men's or ladies, since that's borderline not passing your final exams. 7.75 is sort of my baseline, under that is when existential crisis start. For judging- I'd consider skipping Sochi all together. Men's might be the only discipline, with pairs perhaps, that we have some degree of agreement on. Ladies is also a hotbed of drama and controversy scoring.
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Well I can possibly join both, time permitting. Why do I have an odd feeling I'll end up on TP for all the mock panels? o_O I can't do spin levels, but if I try hard, maaaaybe I can do stsq levels. Ah, what am I getting myself into?!
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Well, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and stuff...it also seems that Pchiddy's PCS scores have kind of stalled since Sochi. More amazed by the amount of 8's and even 7's I see in the protocols for the top 6- really shows how far PCS inflation has gone these days, since 8's rarely pop up in anyone's protocols for PCS. I'm pretty curious when these mock judging panels actually start-because if we score by absolute value based on guidelines, I wonder how many many guys will really get SP TSS over 100. The initial protocols when the change happens this season should be interesting. Will there be GOE inflation or a post-olympics deflation?
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So how many are there?
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...colored, dried, wide length noodles. Interesting idea. (I'm sure that's not what is intended, but that's what it looks like)
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Thanks for reminding me there are still the outstanding sengoku quads, kindergarten quads etc....
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Subconcious or not, I would rather not. Yuzu lurks, so not a good idea for him to stumble in our forum and see us all ogling him.
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Not really-they only shifted the weight of GOEs in the TES factoring. In some ways this helps Javi and older skaters with stable quads, but overall the quad advantage still exists. It only really comes into play if a skater falls on a quad/has an error on a quad. That's when a clean, perfect triple could overtake a quad. If they tie GOE scores to the base BV of the jump, then it actually gets worse for guys with less quads, since their GOE is even affected. Of course, we need to see what the final guidelines are, but no, right now it's still quads/quads/quads.
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