2 hours ago, kaeryth said:

 

That one was his fault cause he hesitated / was confused about whether he would rippon or not... Gotta confess, as soon as he didn't rippon I thought he was gonna fall

As soon as I saw how little flow he had after the 4T I knew there was gonna be issues with the 3T...whether a 2ft or in this case fall. He had no height in the jump  

 

OTOH, reading other parts of the internet, I'm a bit sad. If I were a random skating fan stumbling onto other popular sites I'd get the impression that he's a terrible overscored lazy skater who is seriously old news by now. Had to read 10+ pages for a single compliment.

6 minutes ago, yuzuangel said:

As soon as I saw how little flow he had after the 4T I knew there was gonna be issues with the 3T...whether a 2ft or in this case fall. He had no height in the jump  

 

OTOH, reading other parts of the internet, I'm a bit sad. If I were a random skating fan stumbling onto other popular sites I'd get the impression that he's a terrible overscored lazy skater who is seriously old news by now. Had to read 10+ pages for a single compliment.

where does this "overscored" thing come from...

omg I checked the schedule, the practice is in an hour .....

 

 

CoR schedule is so early

3 minutes ago, SSS said:

where does this "overscored" thing come from...

9.75 in PCS for a fall blahblah...

3 時間前, CupidsBowさんが言いました:

Catching up on this thread and um I think some people have the wrong idea about what Yuzu aims to do this season in raising his average/being more consistent. I don't think he means landing all his jumps perfectly all the time, more he doesn't want to have huge early season bombs and massive discrepancies between his best and worst performances of the season. Over pm every season in his senior career the gap between his highest TES and lowest TES for the short program has been in excess of 10 points (last season his lowest TES was 23!!! points lower than his highest TES) with a gap of 20-30 points between his best and worst TES for his free programs. I can maybe understand if he wants a season where that gap isn't so huge.

For his free program, being real, ACI has totally blown his stats and his hopes of not having a 30 ish point gap in his TES alone, but for this short he's still on track to have way more consistent performances than previous years because of his tendency to really, really blow his first GP SP with pops and missed combos. Even if we're not thinking about the score, performance wise I imagine he wants the equivalent - that his worst isn't a total mess compared to his best. it's easier to put it in terms of numbers tho because they are quantifiable even if performance is performance, score is score. there is at the least a direct correlation lmao

 

Ahhhh...I was wondering what he meant exactly when he replaced "I want to skate clean consistently" from right after the end of the last season to "I want to raise the average of my performance" at the start of this one. What you pointed out makes a lot of sense to me, given that it is math and if there's anything the man likes as much as skating, it's numbers and the crunching of them.

 

And wow, looking at it from this angle, it looks like he has a nice variety of feedback from the three performances he's had so far. There's the WR, which confirms that he can skate a simpler, familiar layout clean even when tweaked to be slightly more difficult (and slay with it), his 155-pt FS which tells him what happens when he dumbs down the difficulty too much for his own comfort (even if it had been necessary) and this one, where he knows he can now maintain a striking distance instead of falling to sub-zero levels even if he challenges himself while not being quite on enough mentally. This last one, especially, really gives him some great feedback on his endeavor to raise his average.

 

I wonder what kind of feedback today's performance will give him. One that can bring him another big step forward to his goal is all I'm hoping for!!

 

Thanks for putting things into perspective!

 

Hanyu, the crouching tiger number-crunching hidden dragon

2 minutes ago, SSS said:

omg I checked the schedule, the practice is in an hour .....

 

 

CoR schedule is so early

but the FS is at 9:30am for us instead of 4am 

5 minutes ago, yuzuangel said:

9.75 in PCS for a fall blahblah...

only two 9.75 make them blahblahblah really? also they don't count... I know someone who got ot on a jump with positive GOE and multiple 10s if I remember clearly...

5 minutes ago, yuzuangel said:

but the FS is at 9:30am for us instead of 4am 

no it is 4am...

1 minute ago, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:

 

Ahhhh...I was wondering what he meant exactly when he replaced "I want to skate clean consistently" from right after the end of the last season to "I want to raise the average of my performance" at the start of this one. What you pointed out makes a lot of sense to me, given that it is math and if there's anything the man likes as much as skating, it's numbers and the the crunching of them.

 

And wow, looking at it from thjs perspective, it looks like he has nice variety of feedback from the three performances he had so far. There's the WR, which confirms that he can skate a simpler, familiar layout clean even when tweaked to be slightly more difficult, (and slay with it), his 155-pt FS which tells him what happens when he dumbs down the difficulty too much for his own comfort (even if it had been necessary) and this one, where he knows he can now maintain a striking distance instead of falling to sub-zero levels even if he challenges himself while not being quite on enough mentally. This last one, especially, really gives him some great feedback on his endeavor to raise his average. I wonder what kind if feedback today's performance will give him. One that can bring him another big step forward to his goal is all I'm hoping for!!

 

yes, esp the last point! If what he really wants is the close the gap and raise his average he's def on the right path. The TES difference between ACI and COR is only 6.6, so mistakes were made and the difference in final score is pretty big but it's not a total disaster. He tends to get his lowest scores, esp in BV/TES at the first GP event and this one is already a way better result at a first GP than he's had all olympic cycle. And he's super analytical so you know he'll be figuring all this stuff out, what he can take from it and what he needs to do to change it.

The practice should be starting now right?

 

Personally, I was also somewhat relieved that a mostly clean - if apparently wobbly, judging from the score sheet, I didn't get to watch his performance - Nathan was only just barely above 100. It shows that while BV is high, PCS and GOE still matter a lot. I also thought the SP was proof of pretty fair judging (only a couple of judges gave Nathan 9s and none of them gave Yuzu anything lower than 9, which, considering their usual skating - since, like I said, I haven't managed to see Nathan's program - seems fair). If it continues like this, IMO, it should be good for Yuzu.

17 minutes ago, yuzuangel said:

but the FS is at 9:30am for us instead of 4am 

the schedule I saw is the same time as SP yesterday/this morning

It just occurred to me, his flubbed 3T notwithstanding, that he can probably perform his SP with a 4S, 3A, 4T3T layout in whatever order, even when he's mentally not all there. I mean, he couldn't have been 100% on at ACI, coming from prolonged absence of on-ice training and the blockage from having to dumb down both his programs (the polar difference in the success of each telling him the minimum level he has to maintain to deliver), and he definitely was far from on back in Boston. If anything, it was a crazy mess in there back then. He still delivered perfectly. And he wasn't physically in top form for these two performances either.

 

So he's proven, for his SP at least, that he can skate it clean consistently with the old layout (or something close to it), no matter his physical and mental condition. And now, even with a more challenging layout and not being mentally on, he still managed to control his performance to minimize the damage enough to still garner perfectly decent scores.

 

Yep, if I had any lingering doubt of him picking Chopin again for a third go-around is a wise and informed choice, it's completely vanquished now with this last performance. I mean, I didn't, not with what he delivered at ACI, but my faith in his choice has definitely been further strengthened.

 

1 hour ago, kaeryth said:

ELTA (Taiwan) Broadcast. Can anyone translate?

 

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Quick translation:

 

Mentioned Yuzu's ACI WR.

It's a 4T-3T...it's a pity he made a mistake and fell there.

 

After the program, 

"Yuzu's really cute. After he's done with his SP, he stuck out his tongue a little."

"He made some mistakes but it doesn't affect the amount of support he received from the audience. It's just as we forecasted, that it's raining Pooh.

The rink is full of cute little poohs thrown from all directions."

Mentioned his ACI record again.

 

"Waa, we can see this cute little skater came up here to help him pick up the Poohs, and also use the opportunity to interact with Yuzu a little. Maybe it's specially arranged by the organizers.

Actually for this young Russian skaters to see Yuzu, it's like seeing a huge star, a super idol.

Seems like these kids will be picking up the Poohs for a while.

To Yuzu, of cos this season is especially important. He won the OGM in Sochi 2014, being the 2nd youngest man to do so. With his current condition, it's also his huge mission to win OGM again."

 

"The first jump was 4Lo, when landing...he almost fell down but he tried his best to save it. 

 

Compared to Nathan Chen, Yuzu has a different style. Yuzu is more abstract and introverted, and his interaction with the audience isn't as good as Nathan who is more outwardly expressive. Nathan uses overt body language to connect with the audience directly while the audience need to interpret/experience Yuzu's skate to appreciate it. There are more internal emotions in Yuzu's skate.

 

But objectively, these are reasons why both skaters have so many fans.

 

To Yuzu, many people were concerned about his right knee before this competition. When he reached Moscow, he told reporters that there's no big deal anymore and it won't affect his performance/layout."

 

Then they just reported Yuzu's scores, recapped the ranking and mentioned that Nathan was the only one to get above 100 for the SP for the first GP challenge.

 

 

 

11 分ぐらい, singcarcomさんが言いました:

*whole post*

 

Thank ye!! I like their thoughtful observations of both skaters. ^^