General Yuzuru Chat

[bubbletea0712]

7 minutes ago, kaerb said:

I'm assuming @anyanee was in her last year of high school and is starting university in the coming start of semester? (apologies if I'm mistaken) 

 

Also, don't worry @anyanee, it'll be okay - try to enjoy the process because I'm sure Yuzu is too and all the other skaters ( : 

Thank you so much;;7;;

[kaeryth]

Well... we might get an idea of how Shoma's jumps will be called in the upcoming GP comps. He's going up against Chiddy in Skate Chanada and Javi in TdF.

[Emzie]

4 minutes ago, anyanee said:

High school and university in Thailand don't open at the same period. High school will open in May and University will open around late september or august. So yes I have to wait for so so longggg. Sometime student got the university even before they graduate like me. (The school closed in march) That's how the system in my country work^^

SORRY FOR VERY OFF TOPIC;;7;;

Ah, thanks for explanation. Amazing... if I was able to skip my high school graduation...

[bubbletea0712]

Just now, Emzie said:

Ah, thanks for explanation. Amazing... if I was able to skip my high school graduation...

Are you already graduate or still in high school?

[Xen]

5 minutes ago, kaeryth said:

Well... we might get an idea of how Shoma's jumps will be called in the upcoming GP comps. He's going up against Chiddy in Skate Chanada and Javi in TdF.

This is exactly why I think he has a high chance of getting called on this year. Because on PCS, unless he is clean and either Chiddy or Javi  mess up, those PCS are going to be close, and it doesn't help that artistically they are fairly similar (more similar than Nate vs Yuzu).  Just realized that Shoma is also going up against Cha Junhwa in SC, and Vincent Zhou in TdF...not going to be pretty.

[Emzie]

Just now, anyanee said:

Are you already graduate or still in high school?

I'm in the middle of trying to get Master degree, so it's my 5th year at uni

[AsteroidB-612]

4 minutes ago, meoima said:

You are still assuming a 3.25 flutz will get GOE compared to a true 4Lz by Nathan or Boyang. Then I have nothing to say. The US technical specialist already gave Uno the E for Flutz at WTT. They have eyes, if they want, then it's called. 

I guess we can only tell once the season starts, but I think @xeyra is trying to say that we cannot bank on them calling his quad flip on underrotation or wrong edge because they haven't really done so much this last season, so it's better not to underestimate Shoma in regards to the GOE he can get.

 

Also, I think everyone here still believe in Yuzu's ability, I mean, the planet hanyu exists because we adore his skating! But when we are talking about next season and specualting, I think we want to take into account other top player's increasing skills and judge's trend from last season too...hence the worry over possible threat. Overall, I think most people just want to prepare for the worst and hope for the best, not to put Yuzu down~

[bubbletea0712]

4 minutes ago, Emzie said:

I'm in the middle of trying to get Master degree, so it's my 5th year at uni

Wowwww. Amazing. Good luck^^

[Emzie]

Just now, anyanee said:

Wowwww. Amazing. Good luck^^

Thanks  And don't stress about your first year, uni will be fun

[robin]

Hey guys!!

We've been getting some complaints about the recent discussion about Yuzu's BV and if he will add the 4Lz or not and Shoma's jump technique.

While it may be interesting for some it is stressful for others and makes them uncomfortable. Strictly, there is a thread for these discussions so kindly take that discussion here:

 

 

[Katt]

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[axelsandwich]

11 hours ago, meoima said:

(removed at meoima's request)

I don't think speculating about other skaters' jumps or realistic assessment of their abilities/possible points is dismissing Yuzu's abilities, just like criticising his choices or expressing doubts/anxiety about them is not an attack on him. You can like someone and support them with all your heart and also be allowed to question their choices - as much as we joke about it here, no person is beyond criticism, discussion or debate and Yuzu would probably tell you that himself. Personally, I wasn't thrilled he was going with Chopin 3.0 but I support him and believe he might change my mind. If it wasn't for people raising questions about Chopin 3.0 and launching discussions and debate, we wouldn't have had people more deeply considering his strategy.

 

At the end of the day, you're right to say Yuzu's team is considering these things and Yuzu clearly has a plan. It seems you're upset by the speculation and BV talk or people expressing doubts about some of Yuzu's music or choices but I do hope I can perhaps encourage you to consider what you interpret as 'negative' or 'gloomy'. Truly, I think my approach and some others' in the thread is that of curiosity and a desire to try and work out for ourselves what might happen, like guessing the outcome of a detective novel while we're still reading it. You may enjoy following the story and not know the ending until it happens and that's okay too! I hope, however, knowing that other ways fans like to engage with figure skating is not malicious will help you not to feel as distressed though 

[Yatagarasu]

5 minutes ago, xeyra said:

 

I haven't seen his 4Lz so I can't say how it is but as I said, if it's a Flutz it's a Flutz with the appropriate negative GOE. However I never noticed many differences in GOE in their 4F, the other jump Nathan and Shoma share, no matter how much one cries about his 3.25F. Just saying.

 

Of course you haven't, because Shoma has been receiving the full push of JSF, especially from the start of the previous season. JSF is definitely not USFSA or SC but it is hardly small potatoes either, and they have been mostly focusing on Shoma, not Yuzuru.

 

Shoma's Flip is not a Flip. It is a combination of a Flip and a Loop, with huge prerotation added, that is just smidgens away from making it an Axel. This is simply a fact.

 

Now personally, I prefer to be cautious so currently my train of thought is that judging will remain as it is so keeping that in mind, any discussion therefore goes under those constraints. Shoma can do whatever he wants, including Flutz, and that's just how that will be. But, and @meoima is right, there is the not so small issue of USFSA and even SC, that will go along with them if they start.

I keep repeating this but Lysacek and Plushenko. It was truly something to see. I was around at the time and watching the USFS propaganda machine work its magic was a thing of horrifying beauty. By the time Olympics rolled in you could almost feel the atmosphere pulsing in the rhythm of - Plushenko has no transitions, Plushenko has no transitions, Plushenko has no transitions. Everyone and their grandmother, who couldn't otherwise distinguish from a skate boot and a skate blade, had this mantra stuck in their heads and it was just an expression of all the work they did. Frank Caroll had an entire campaign going on, starting with Lysacek's image. If they all decide to throw their weight behind Nathan, that is considerable weight, none other like that in the skating world. And Shoma has that Flip. With added talk about his not quite quads (and Kurt didn't just accidentally blurt that during WTT, the talk is already here) and he has a very clearly exploitable weakness. It won't even be the case then of directly influencing judges but simply creating an atmosphere where they naturally follow which way the wind, or tornado, is blowing. 

 

This is Olympics which means everyone's going out for blood, and Yuzuru is no exception in the sense that they would go after him as well, except it's really, really difficult. With his technique, where the Flip that is potentially the only issue now perfectly legit and happy as a tucked in beautiful triple, there is nothing to grab onto. At best they could try and attack his artistry but if Seimei is indeed what he's presenting, they're actually out of luck there too. Something like H&L would be a far more open thing, but with an dramatic FS, like Seimei or similar, that door is also closed.

 

In the end, it doesn't mean that they will do this, it is that the option is there when it comes to Shoma. I am operating under the supposition that the judging will remain the same but at the same time, I really want a medalist that doesn't have all these questions all over his technique so I am not going to complain if someone finally shines a light on all those questions. If Shoma can answer all those questions in terms of a properly skated program, then more power to him and congratulations!

[xeyra]

And here did I just do the math in the other thread to find out Yuzu doesn't even need the 4Lz, technically.  No one is dismissing Yuzu at all. Side-eyeing him if he goes Chopin+Seimei again doesn't mean I am dooming him or like him any less. Not dismissing Shoma doesn't mean one hates Yuzu. Anyways, I think I'll go back to the quiet off-season I was promised. Seeya in September!

[AsteroidB-612]

2 minutes ago, kaerb said:

I don't think speculating about other skaters' jumps or realistic assessment of their abilities/possible points is dismissing Yuzu's abilities, just like criticising his choices or expressing doubts/anxiety about them is not an attack on him. You can like someone and support them with all your heart and also be allowed to question their choices - as much as we joke about it here, no person is beyond criticism, discussion or debate and Yuzu would probably tell you that himself. Personally, I wasn't thrilled he was going with Chopin 3.0 but I support him and believe he might change my mind. If it wasn't for people raising questions about Chopin 3.0 and launching discussions and debate, we wouldn't have had people more deeply considering his strategy.

 

At the end of the day, you're right to say Yuzu's team is considering these things and Yuzu clearly has a plan. It seems you're upset by the discussion but I do hope I can perhaps encourage you to consider what you interpret as 'negative' or 'gloomy'. Truly, I think my approach and some others' in the thread is that of curiosity and a desire to try and work out for ourselves what might happen, like guessing the outcome of a detective novel while we're still reading it. You may enjoy following the story and not know the ending until it happens and that's okay too! I hope, however, knowing that other ways fans like to engage with figure skating is not malicious will help you not to feel as distressed though 

 well said‼ I truly believe that no one here lost faith in Yuzu's ability or is truly gloomy beyond hope, I mean , the race hasn't even started! I believe it's just diffent fans dealing with anticipation of coming big season differently, And like I said, some people just like to prepare for the wrost, doesn't mean we don't hope for the best for our beloved Yuzu.

 

I especially like the detective novel analogy, because that's exactly why I like to speculate even if it brings some stressing on my brain lol 

 

Hopefully this clears some air and we can continue to satellite around the planet Hanyu and support Yuzu together~ for I wish that the PH is all encompassing of diffent fans of Yuzu!