General Yuzuru Chat

[Kat]

25 minutes ago, rockstaryuzu said:

A note about speed in figure skating.

 

I was scrolling Twitter during the WC and came across an utter 'gem' *sarcasm*  amongst the replies to one of Meagan Duhamel's posts about Nathan's PCS score inflation. Someone established amongst the figure skating world (who I won't name) said  that judges are taught that speed can be used to hide sloppiness in the step sequences. 

 

It was totally illuminating. It explains why so many laboured, clunky, ungainly, utterly ugly StepSeq get high scores when Yuzu's lovely, lyrical, fast-flowing footwork earns bubkus -the judges are mistaking his speed and skill for an attempt to cover up sloppiness. 

 

This tells me two things:

1. judges need to stop using visual shortcuts like a skater's speed to determine score, and really truly look at what's going on where blade meets ice  

2. Yuzu's speed works against him when it comes to scoring and slowing the StepSeqs down might force the judges to give him more points

3. ISU needs to stop training judges to take shortcuts in scoring skaters

 

I am fully confident that even though Yuzu goes fast, he is doing all his steps and footwork correctly. It's not in the man's vocabulary to be any other way. 

 

But it does explain why someone slow like Nathan can get more points. 

That is just appalling and so contradictory 😮

[Yuzurella]

 

Oto-chan comforting Ten-chan. This is so adorable!

 

Don't be sad, Ten-chan. You will come back stronger than ever!

[tafattsbarn]

6 hours ago, Kat said:

Even outside of competitions. If you say you like Figure Skating and follow up with Yuzuru as your favorite skater...be prepared for blow back, gate keeping, and elitism.

 

"You're not a REAL fan." Level sniping.

 

Oh god, i met these types briefly when i was at GP Helsinki in 2018. When they begun with their drivel about me not being a "real" skating fan because i was a Yuzu fan first and foremost, and a recent skating fan (since november/december 2017) on top of it i just straight up bailed. Turned right around and left them mid sentence. Call it rude but i really can't stand those types of people. A bunch of assholes and a waste to have a conversation with (and i'm not gonna stand there and take it while they insult Yuzuru in front of me). 

 

I've had to deal with these types of fans so many times online as a BTS fan (from kpop fans), but i didn't think these types existed in real life if i'm being honest (as i've attended plenty of kpop events and never met one like that). Figure skating fans proved me wrong lol. 

 

In every "fandom'" they're an unbearable bunch. 

[MssSwan]

1 minute ago, shanshani said:

Nah, Nathan is far superior to Vincent Zhou. Vincent Zhou doesn't tend to forget the music as much when he's jumping, but that's about it. Nathan has clean technique, while Vincent's quads are basically just slightly overrotated triples. There's a reason he had such a disaster skate at World's--it's his under-rotation problems coming back to bite him.

Yep I just compare the two of them because of that whole thing that happened when he first debuted in the senior though, about the technique Nathan have a better one definitely I should've used a better exemple but I hope you guys catch the idea  

 

[Kat]

1 minute ago, tafattsbarn said:

 

Oh god, i met these types briefly when i was at GP Helsinki in 2018. When they begun with their drivel about me not being a "real" skating fan because i was a Yuzu fan first and foremost, and a recent skating fan (since november/december 2017) on top of it i just straight up bailed. Turned right around and left them mid sentence. Call it rude but i really can't stand those types of people. A bunch of assholes. 

 

I've had to deal with these types of fans so many times online as a BTS fan (from kpop fans), but i didn't think these types existed in real life if i'm being honest (as i've attended plenty of kpop events and never met one like that). Figure skating fans proved me wrong lol. 

 

In every "fandom'" they're an unbearable bunch. 

Truer words, and they do exist everywhere, in every fandom. Golf (ew for me), basketball, football, ect, but I cant handle it. I'm not confrontational and I dont like being put on the spot to defend myself. I STILL have to rewatch things to identify jumps, so I try not to even discuss it often 🙈. Just in case.

 

You arent rude to walk away from insults and put downs. I think it's strong. I need to do that myself 😅

[BWOZWaltz]

All glitters are not gold. Flow of the time will filter out all the impurities and people will find only the real gold when they look back at these dark days of FS😇 Only the real gold can withstand the test of time. 

 

Nate's consistency has been supported by the external factors which more or less the other skaters do not have. It bothers me particularly that his ss is marked high bc I simply cannot see what the judges are seeing in his ss.

 

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• Skating skills: This mark assesses the skater's command of the blade over the ice, including the ability to skate with power and ease, forwards and backwards, clockwise and counter-clockwise. How acute is the skater's blade to the ice? How clean and clear are the curves over the ice (known as edge quality)? Skating skills are considered to be excellent if the skater moves quickly and easily, and flows over the ice with soft knees and ankles; but they are judged to be poor if the skating is scratchy and noisy, with the skater pushing from their toes rather than from the sides of the blades.

 

These things are clearly not in judges' minds when they are marking his scores. Where do you see soft knees and ankles when landing those jumps? Where?

[Whoopiewoop]

3 hours ago, MssSwan said:

I don't the USA is gonna do something like this, with Nathan being the biggest rival Yuzuru have right now and Yuzu's high chance of being the first man to win 3 gold medals back to back at the Olympic in like 100 years if they do this it would be like a self boycott though 

 

Probably very late to the party considering the amount of pages I still have to read through but the US is already a country as a whole that wins a lot of medals during the Olympics in general, losing one in figure skating if they only boycott one discipline is not going to hurt them in that sense and I believe that figure skating is just a spec of little grain in the USs grant scheme of plans. If they go ahead with the boycott it would be for the whole Olympics, every discipline and that is something that the IOC won't want from a business point of view. 

[barbara]

2 hours ago, memae said:

He loves a 3A though, so I don't know that he'd leave it out rather than putting both in

He can do the 3A in his short -

[shanshani]

Just now, BWOZWaltz said:

All glitters are not gold. Flow of the time will filter out all the impurities and people will find only the real gold when they look back at these dark days of FS😇 Only the real gold can withstand the test of time. 

 

Nate's consistency has been supported by the external factors which more or less the other skaters do not have. It bothers me particularly that his ss is marked high bc I simply cannot see what the judges are seeing in his ss.

 

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• Skating skills: This mark assesses the skater's command of the blade over the ice, including the ability to skate with power and ease, forwards and backwards, clockwise and counter-clockwise. How acute is the skater's blade to the ice? How clean and clear are the curves over the ice (known as edge quality)? Skating skills are considered to be excellent if the skater moves quickly and easily, and flows over the ice with soft knees and ankles; but they are judged to be poor if the skating is scratchy and noisy, with the skater pushing from their toes rather than from the sides of the blades.

 

These things are clearly not in judges' minds when they are marking his scores. Where do you see soft knees and ankles when landing those jumps? Where?

Oh, the judges clearly couldn't mark SS correctly if their lives depended on it. It was very obvious Nathan had the worst SS in the final flight at Worlds (though, to be fair, it was an exceptionally good flight as far as SS are concerned). They think Han Yan's SS are over a point lower than Nathan's, which is just laughable. 

[Fay]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNCjTMUpzBR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

When will Instagram start embedding again? The WTF Skating Hana Wa Saku art. 
 

[shanshani]

4 minutes ago, Whoopiewoop said:

 

Probably very late to the party considering the amount of pages I still have to read through but the US is already a country as a whole that wins a lot of medals during the Olympics in general, losing one in figure skating if they only boycott one discipline is not going to hurt them in that sense and I believe that figure skating is just a spec of little grain in the USs grant scheme of plans. If they go ahead with the boycott it would be for the whole Olympics, every discipline and that is something that the IOC won't want from a business point of view. 

Yeah, country-level boycotts are decided by governments, not sporting bodies, so it wouldn't be a sport-specific thing. The Biden administration would be the ones making the call, and I really doubt Joe Biden cares very much about the Olympic title everyone assumes Nathan is going to win. However, to my knowledge the Biden administration hasn't really indicated any desire to go through with it. If the USA boycotts, there's a not-insignificant chance Japan will too, so the Russians might finally have a chance at a medal in men's lol. Still, it seems like a fairly low-probability event at this point.

[Whoopiewoop]

51 minutes ago, Paskud said:

How on earth someone can be fast and sloppy at the same time? 

 

Look at me. Story of my life 

[Yuzurella]

11 minutes ago, shanshani said:

Oh, the judges clearly couldn't mark SS correctly if their lives depended on it. It was very obvious Nathan had the worst SS in the final flight at Worlds (though, to be fair, it was an exceptionally good flight as far as SS are concerned). They think Han Yan's SS are over a point lower than Nathan's, which is just laughable. 

 

The way judges seem to score GOEs and PCS nowadays is that if you land difficult jumps or if you have a certain nationality, you get high GOEs and PCS all included. If you happen to fulfil both conditions, you get extra candies.

And if you make mistakes and you have a certain nationality, then you're judged much more leniently than skaters from other nationalities.

[JanMary]

2 hours ago, Terrapin said:

while Nathan seemed quite fast and very much at ease

Please try to watch Nathan in any fancam where you can see the entire rink. I watched his 2019 US Nationals FS and 2021 WC SP, he is obviously slow and with little ice coverage. And nothing is happening in between the jumps. 

 

I was once bored and tried to re-score his FS in the US Nationals this year. Before his 4S I unconsciously clicked fast-forward button (which is quite uncharacteristic for me when re-scoring programs) because literally there is nothing there. That button could save 5 seconds of my life, I sensed that.

 

I watched 2019 GPF in Turin, but I couldn't give any impression of watching Chen's skating live. I don't feel anything in his FS and forgot it immediately after it's finished, although it is a "world record". For the SP, I remember I was shocked by the inflated score and said "Ehhh" when the score came out. 

[Kat]

Totally random, but I found the Heaven and Earth movie on dvd 🙈. I'm excited 😂