General Yuzuru Chat

[fluffypooh]

3 minutes ago, katonice said:

Haha, without a doubt! I mean, who else can get people talking about a toothbrush other than him? 

he gives 120% in whatever he does, i rarely see ads of toothbrush has such a personal story! 

[五十嵐 美幸]

On 6/1/2017 at 3:21 PM, katonice said:

I guess the translator was trying to be a bit forgiving on the translation? 

I can't say who she's referring to here though, or if it's just her old-fashioned way of thinking coming to the fore.

 

I think what shows is an annoyingly condescending attitude.

 

Maybe she should be forgiven because she's an old woman who is on the way out just as a matter of her age and probably fearing to be left behind, , but, really, with comments and attitude like that, she'll only make herself disliked all the more.

[daisyjune]

On 6/1/2017 at 2:01 PM, Yatagarasu said:

 

Of course. Welcome to PH! <-- click

 

Thank you very much!

 

About toothbrush...

Yes, Yuzu's introduction of this product is unbelievably convincing.

I've never used electronic toothbrush but I feel like maybe I can try it. (Obviously everybody thinks the same after reading Yuzu's comments...)

 

[AsteroidB-612]

25 minutes ago, daisyjune said:

When kids go to foreign countries, they will be arrogant (or get spoilt? original phrase is 「いい気になる」). They will love foreign stuffs whatever they are （外国かぶれになっちゃって）, and they wouldn't learn from Japanese coaches once returning. 

Hmmm this sounds to me like severe stereotyping and targeting all skaters who were foreign-trained in general...which doesn't make her statement milder in my book, because it's basically putting down all skaters, including Yuzu, who trained abroad.

 

I understand that her intention might be good, like she is trying to encourage more development of coaching in Japan, but she is doing it by bashing the people who seek foreigner help, and this ironically shows her own arrogance and a unsettling controlling personality ( like many of you questioned, if the skater have strong opinion of their own skating, be it music or style or costume or layout and want to try things their way first, is this then consider "not listening to their Japanese coaches"? ...if yes, then I am soooo glad that Yuzu was never under her teaching, because he would never be allowed to flourish like he did with his strong ideals and forward-thinkings like trying obscure Japanese music and taking risks with 4 Lo)

 

But thanks for providing context and translation, @daisyjune !

[Xen]

2 minutes ago, 五十嵐 美幸 said:

 

I think what shows is an annoyingly condescending attitude.

 

Maybe she should be forgiven because she's an old woman who is on the way out just as a matter of her age and probably fearing to be left behind, , but, really, with comments and attitude like that, she'll only make herself disliked all the more.

Well maybe she's scared that she won't be a legend? Though didn't she coach Midori Ito? 

The other question I would have, if I view this statement of hers as a plea of financial and structural help from the JSF, do you think Japan has the structural system to do it? I'm not that familiar with the skating system in Japan. Is there something akin to the TCC in terms of system, where a skater can essentially get everything done under one roof? Is there anyone akin to Mishin who just researches jump technique for fun even? 

[meoima]

5 minutes ago, Xen said:

Well maybe she's scared that she won't be a legend? Though didn't she coach Midori Ito? 

The other question I would have, if I view this statement of hers as a plea of financial and structural help from the JSF, do you think Japan has the structural system to do it? I'm not that familiar with the skating system in Japan. Is there something akin to the TCC in terms of system, where a skater can essentially get everything done under one roof? Is there anyone akin to Mishin who just researches jump technique for fun even? 

Nagoya group has 2 ice rinks... their top skaters can access swimming pool, gym room and everything else at Toyota campus, basically I think their condition is better than many Russian skaters: http://www.chukyo-u.ac.jp/english/campus/f2.html

[Katt]

25 minutes ago, daisyjune said:

Machiko talks about David Wilson. She asked him to do choreography for Midori Ito and David flew to Japan soon, with economy ticket.

David's late mother was very happy to hear he was invited to Japan, Machiko says.

Since then David often visited Japan to teach Machiko's students. Mihoko learned from him a lot during those times. So, Machiko still asks JSF to invite foreign coaches to Japan rather than skaters go abroad to train there. "So that Japanese coaches can learn. Otherwise Japanese coaches can't grow. Every coach wants to study. When kids go to foreign countries, they will be arrogant (or get spoilt? original phrase is 「いい気になる」). They will love foreign stuffs whatever they are （外国かぶれになっちゃって）, and they wouldn't learn from Japanese coaches once returning. That's why we always invite coaches from abroad whenever we can."

 

I have no idea who she has in her mind, but I just don't think she talks about Yuzu, just my impression though. Also, she is 73 years old now. Whatever she says, I don't put too much emphasis on her words, just like someone like Frank Carroll.

 

Thank you for your translation. I don't take Yamada's words too serious, because like you said, she's 73 now, and at that age, sometimes people can make weird comments.

[meoima]

2 minutes ago, Katt said:

 

Thank you for your translation. I don't take Yamada's words too serious, because like you said, she's 73 now, and at that age, sometimes people can make weird comments.

So do Mishin and Tarasova... they can be very unreasonable these days. That's why I said I don't care and don't mind them much. But it would be nicer if they don't talk this much though. 

[Yatagarasu]

It's not exactly new, this idea that Japanese skaters should stick to Japan. I've seen fans of certain Japanese skater diss those who have left Japan (yes, Yuzuru) because that is some morally terrible thing, or basically insert whatever nonsense they can think of, while their faves skate to Western music, in a sport that was originated in the West. It's basically your typical hypocrisy because the root of it all is just trying to prop up the one you root for. I know she in particular is an older woman but she's an older woman who still has power and influence, so I do not hand-wave those comments.

 

Not that anybody is asking me, and I was once told I was committing a heinous moral 'crime' by suggesting it, but Shoma Uno should have packed his suitcases a while ago and left the current coaching team for foreign waters. A week here or there with Alex isn't really that helpful, this requires systematic work and should have been done when he was way younger. Too late now I am afraid.
One thing I do care about, is for next season for the judges to actually make those UR/wrong edge calls, and not twiddle their thumbs. Yes, I know, let me dream...

 

BTW I don't think it's a bad idea at all to have foreign coaches help out in Japan, but very few are willing to subject themselves to restrictive conditions. On the other hand, JSF does have the option of sending out young coaches abroad too - it's done in many sports so this would hardly be a new thing, to learn and acquire modern techniques of coaching. With a mix of those two, they would probably benefit the most plus using the experience of all the great r****d and current skaters. Of course, a dedicated facility or few wouldn't be amiss. Yes it's an investment but it would pay off. 

[Katt]

2 minutes ago, meoima said:

So do Mishin and Tarasova... they can be very unreasonable these days. That's why I said I don't care and don't mind them much. But it would be nicer if they don't talk this much though. 

Oh I'm about to add TAT and Mishin to my previous post . Yeah, sometime I'm  at their words. Well, we can't have nice things all the time but I don't think these kinds of comment would go any far so just like you, I don't really mind it. 

[Sombreuil]

Bit off topic and ancient history now, but wasn't there talk of Kanako Murakami going abroad for coaching in the same way that Yuzuru did, but it didn't happen?  That might have done her a lot of good if she had been able to cope with the move.

[meoima]

9 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

It's not exactly new, this idea that Japanese skaters should stick to Japan. I've seen fans of certain Japanese skater diss those who have left Japan (yes, Yuzuru) because that is some morally terrible thing, or basically insert whatever nonsense they can think of, while their faves skate to Western music, in a sport that was originated in the West. It's basically your typical hypocrisy because the root of it all is just trying to prop up the one you root for. I know she in particular is an older woman but she's an older woman who still has power and influence, so I do not hand-wave those comments.

Some "certain" Yuzuru's fans keep saying everything Yuzuru has today should be thanked to the time he's in Japan, and they keep bashing Orser and CC team as much as possible. Yeah certainly you know who I am talking about. And they totally ignore the fact that Yuzuru's Scriabin SP and Romeo 1.0 got re-choreographed by Russian specialists. 

[xeyra]

5 minutes ago, Katt said:

Oh I'm about to add TAT and Mishin to my previous post . Yeah, sometime I'm  at their words. Well, we can't have nice things all the time but I don't think these kinds of comment would go any far so just like you, I don't really mind it. 

 

After someone reaches a certain age you kind of just have to shake your head and  instead of or at their comments. 

And I know I'm kind of being ageist here, for which I apologize, but all these older coaches are such amusing examples of this. 

[ralucutzagy]

LOL 

 

[Sombreuil]

As someone who has suffered a lot from elderly relatives in the past 12 months I now realise there is one thing to be thankful for - none of them are likely to get any media interest in their views on the younger generation.