General Yuzuru Chat

[swanbeau]

what the heck happened here...........

 

anyway, i hope this good news will be confirmed later and chinese fed will totally allow it and wont meddle too much  so many yuzu fanboys in tcc, so many hypothetical shenanigans could happen.... oh to be a fly on those walls  i just realized this but technically, yuzu, boyang, and jun hwan could be in 1 gp together next season  since misha has retired, and many others (the shibs, javi) wont be participating, i need some other flavor of yuzu fluff to fill it up. me @ skating gods  

 

on another note, whether this would be short-term or permanent, working on those skating skills will be good for boyang, so im happy for him  i have other thoughts but better keep it to team china's thread i guess

[WinForPooh]

There's a very good reason why bashing other skaters, or even saying mean and unsubstantiated things under the guise of 'criticism', is forbidden here. We should know better because Yuzu has been at the receiving end of that. So have Yuzu's fans. That's part of why we try very hard to be positive about Yuzu and not negative about anybody else. No young skater should have to deal with that, no matter what kind of politicking their feds do and how judges score them. We wish them the best, and have faith that Yuzu is better, because he has proven time and time again that he is.

 

We drown the hate with positivity. And we take the high road sometimes, when it comes to other forums. After all, the high road led to Planet Hanyu, in the end. It's not so bad. 

[WSYZ]

50 minutes ago, yuzupon said:

@WSYZ To be clear, I was never involved in the 'fight'. I was just watching with horror when it happened over in Yuzu fanfest of that other forum (and if that happened in the fanfest, it was way worse outside of it). So sadly, I haven't seen anyone who criticised him so fiercely wrote anything about turning around from that online. As for those who went right to the hating attitude, I kinda don't think they will ever change their mind, or if they do, hell would freeze before they admit it. That's just how sad it was. If anyone has heard otherwise tho, I would love to hear it.

 

@cinemacoconut That's opening a can of worms I don't think anyone would want to. Read what @WSYZ wrote, that basically summarized the gist of it. I'll pm you with my take on it, just wait a bit, I have to finish something first.

 

@ mods, I've been pm-ing some users about this ugly history lately. Part of it is because I raised said history itself to kinda put what's happening (Zu's closing message in CiONTU, the current onslaught of criticising potential rival's move) in context, and so new fans who were not around, or are not aware of the story understandably want to know about what on earth I was talking about. Should I stop doing either of those? 

 

Thanks for answering. I understand bitter anti-fans are hard to turn. I'm just curious if there are more rational and neutral anti-fans, who might initially not like his style but later like his improvement, or some bias anti-fans who might not like him before because he was dangerous to their favorites but now can appreciate his artistic and athletic sides along with his dedication to the sport.

 

Reading GS threads, I see many people who are knowledgeable and have respect for other competitors there. Many are fans of several skaters through the years. I'm probably a little hopeful to look for something like that regarding Yuzu, because seriously, I'm just too amazed with him, I just think that surely he must have had a good effects and impressed even some hard critics to turn around. I'm new to this figure skating world, so I haven't gone through enough places to find proofs for my (silly?) belief. That's why I'm asking older fans here.

 

I don't mean to raise fanwar debates here. If it's a sensitive topic I accidentally touched upon, I'm sorry to other fans and mods. If anyone has experiences that they don't want to share in public but think they can share with me, please PM me. Even though I'm a new fan, I can say I've had enough experiences reading and watching fanwars in other things unfold in the past. I never joined in fanwars, but my tolerance for them is quite ok. I guess I'm just this weird type that want to look at past fanwars to learn from others' mistakes and get more info from different sides. I like to get as much info as possible before I form my own opinion.

 

@cinemacoconut You mentioned Zhenya as in Plushenko or Medvedeva? I saw that name used for both of them on GS, quite confusing. If you meant Plushenko, then yeah, I think his fans really like Yuzu because he's such a passionate fanboy of Plushenko after all. He's basically one of them  And Plushenko also likes Yuzu very much, always praising him since before Sochi. Fans will love whoever their idols love, haha.

[savakyc]

That's why I never read negative stories about fed/politics/other skaters issues. They just make ppl so depressed ugh

I can fully understand fans' concern of TCC topic today. To be very honest, I was wondering the same thing. (Probably due to my sole love for him i don't really care about others sorry...)

But seriously, do we not trust yuzu so much that we think he will be knocked down by this new training partner threaten issue? We have witnessed miracles he created, how he fought back to the top. 

I think we just have to trust him on this. He's called goat for a reason. He will convert any situation to his advantage. He competes with himself. The only concern we should have is his health....

[hoodie axel]

3 hours ago, Erin said:

But if their fans make fun of Yuzu, i swear to all skating gods

Well, that won't be a problem when it comes to Boyang, because the overlap is huge!

 

Anyway, I'm glad most would be fine with his moving to TCC, because, again, the sport would become very. very competitive with so many training at such a high level.

[cinemacoconut]

51 minutes ago, WSYZ said:

 

Thanks for answering. I understand bitter anti-fans are hard to turn. I'm just curious if there are more rational and neutral anti-fans, who might initially not like his style but later like his improvement, or some bias anti-fans who might not like him before because he was dangerous to their favorites but now can appreciate his artistic and athletic sides along with his dedication to the sport.

 

Reading GS threads, I see many people who are knowledgeable and have respect for other competitors there. Many are fans of several skaters through the years. I'm probably a little hopeful to look for something like that regarding Yuzu, because seriously, I'm just too amazed with him, I just think that surely he must have had a good effects and impressed even some hard critics to turn around. I'm new to this figure skating world, so I haven't gone through enough places to find proofs for my (silly?) belief. That's why I'm asking older fans here.

 

I don't mean to raise fanwar debates here. If it's a sensitive topic I accidentally touched upon, I'm sorry to other fans and mods. If anyone has experiences that they don't want to share in public but think they can share with me, please PM me. Even though I'm a new fan, I can say I've had enough experiences reading and watching fanwars in other things unfold in the past. I never joined in fanwars, but my tolerance for them is quite ok. I guess I'm just this weird type that want to look at past fanwars to learn from others' mistakes and get more info from different sides. I like to get as much info as possible before I form my own opinion.

 

@cinemacoconut You mentioned Zhenya as in Plushenko or Medvedeva? I saw that name used for both of them on GS, quite confusing. If you meant Plushenko, then yeah, I think his fans really like Yuzu because he's such a passionate fanboy of Plushenko after all. He's basically one of them  And Plushenko also likes Yuzu very much, always praising him since before Sochi. Fans will love whoever their idols love, haha.

As in Medvedeva. 

[Yatagarasu]

4 hours ago, WinForPooh said:

But my hope is that all of the skaters who are challenging him are given every opportunity to improve themselves in every way they choose.

 

I'll have to disagree slightly with this.

Yes, of course they should have all opportunities but that's a bit idealized IMO because Yuzuru, and others there, also have a right to a good training enviorment. There is a reason why you mostly won't have direct major competitors training under one coach, and why if it happens, it often doesn't work out. These athletes are on top of the food chain and they got there by being insanely competitive, among other things. They are not regular people, in those terms; their thought processes are different and this isn't related to being nice or a good person. Yuzuru is a good person. He's also a competitive monster. When you have two, never mind a group, of direct competitors with those mind sets in one place for prolonged amounts of time, then chances are, there are going to be major, never mind minor, issues. Take a look at how Javier and Yuzuru trained for these Olympics and what Brian said. The training environment can suffer and Brian, Tracy and co did amazingly well to handle just the two of them and bring them both to PC prepared so well, while of course, Javier and Yuzuru helped out. But everyone kept talking about the fact they train together precisely because it's not easy to pull off. 

 

So ideally, sure, everyone should be given every opportunity but in reality, it doesn't quite work that way as coaches have to take into the account those skaters who are already there and how a newcomer would potentially influence the atmosphere in the club because their needs, and the club itself, also matter. And this of course, while TCC can at this point pick and choose, due to their current position. I mention this because for example an emerging club might prioritize differently.

Mind you, the newcomer, like in the case of Boyang, can be a perfectly nice person; it doesn't mean one whit because there could still be major issues in the end and in Boyang's case, with 2022 being in his home country, and the pressures that are already popping up, it is going to be a pressure cooker. Plus of course nobody knows how he will react to training with someone like Yuzuru. Then there's the other issue of home country of TCC, ie Canada to throw into the mix in terms of Fed pressure on Brian from there and how the possibly emerging Canadians will rock the boat. Then on top of that, Zu might decide to go for three and Cha who should be hitting his stride. How do they, and the newcomer, react to each other, and how does that influence the whole lot?

 

Training environments are tricky to maintain at this high end of the sport as people involved are well, high-maintenance, to put it that way. This is why I believe it is Brian and Tracy primarily who are going to have to think hard if it is sustainable or not. It's a complex issue that goes a bit beyond everyone should have the opportunity because if it isn't working out, opportunities for all are lost.

 

Like I said, I can tentatively say that I think it could work out because of how they seem to be and because Brian and Tracy and co already have a lot of experience under their belt but on the other hand, I can also see how it could easily go wrong. So if someone is worried about another top athlete joining TCC, I think it's normal and I don't have a problem with people thinking this isn't good news, in those terms.

 

In terms of Yuzuru, and actual skill, to risk being called biased, I don't think it matters at all if Boyang will train there for the next quad or not; Yuzuru is Yuzuru. Everything else is underestimating Yuzuru, in various ways. 

[liv]

Oh, so that is interesting Boyang news (if true) to wake up to! Chinese fed is serious about Beijing.... esp reading the other news....

 

I think training at TCC would be beneficial for him.( even short term).. and would definitely make things interesting for Yuzu if he was there at the same time. I can imagine he would enjoy it since he loves that 4lz... and to see it regularly, yeah, he would like it.  A totally different kind of motivation than skating with javi. 

 

I think everyone can rest assured knowing Brian would consider Yuzu first before adding someone of this calibre on a long term basis. Summer training is different, however, and I think brian/tracy would enjoy the challenge of improving boyang's ss.  I look forward to seeing how this story develops. 

 

 

[WinForPooh]

32 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

I'll have to disagree slightly with this.

Yes, of course they should have all opportunities but that's a bit idealized IMO because Yuzuru, and others there, also have a right to a good training enviorment. There is a reason why you mostly won't have direct major competitors training under one coach, and why if it happens, it often doesn't work out. These athletes are on top of the food chain and they got there by being insanely competitive, among other things. They are not regular people, in those terms; their thought processes are different and this isn't related to being nice or a good person. Yuzuru is a good person. He's also a competitive monster. When you have two, never mind a group, of direct competitors with those mind sets in one place for prolonged amounts of time, then chances are, there are going to be major, never mind minor, issues. Take a look at how Javier and Yuzuru trained for these Olympics and what Brian said. The training environment can suffer and Brian, Tracy and co did amazingly well to handle just the two of them and bring them both to PC prepared so well, while of course, Javier and Yuzuru helped out. But everyone kept talking about the fact they train together precisely because it's not easy to pull off. 

 

So ideally, sure, everyone should be given every opportunity but in reality, it doesn't quite work that way as coaches have to take into the account those skaters who are already there and how a newcomer would potentially influence the atmosphere in the club because their needs, and the club itself, also matter. And this of course, while TCC can at this point pick and choose, due to their current position. I mention this because for example an emerging club might prioritize differently.

Mind you, the newcomer, like in the case of Boyang, can be a perfectly nice person; it doesn't mean one whit because there could still be major issues in the end and in Boyang's case, with 2022 being in his home country, and the pressures that are already popping up, it is going to be a pressure cooker. Plus of course nobody knows how he will react to training with someone like Yuzuru. Then there's the other issue of home country of TCC, ie Canada to throw into the mix in terms of Fed pressure on Brian from there and how the possibly emerging Canadians will rock the boat. Then on top of that, Zu might decide to go for three and Cha who should be hitting his stride. How do they, and the newcomer, react to each other, and how does that influence the whole lot?

 

Training environments are tricky to maintain at this high end of the sport as people involved are well, high-maintenance, to put it that way. This is why I believe it is Brian and Tracy primarily who are going to have to think hard if it is sustainable or not. It's a complex issue that goes a bit beyond everyone should have the opportunity because if it isn't working out, opportunities for all are lost.

 

Like I said, I can tentatively say that I think it could work out because of how they seem to be and because Brian and Tracy and co already have a lot of experience under their belt but on the other hand, I can also see how it could easily go wrong. So if someone is worried about another top athlete joining TCC, I think it's normal and I don't have a problem with people thinking this isn't good news, in those terms.

 

In terms of Yuzuru, and actual skill, to risk being called biased, I don't think it matters at all if Boyang will train there for the next quad or not; Yuzuru is Yuzuru. Everything else is underestimating Yuzuru, in various ways. 

Fair enough, but... (under spoiler because this might be a bit upsetting for some satellites!)

 

Spoiler

 I realistically don't expect Yuzu to go for 2022 because with his injury history, I don't think he can physically keep this up. He's the first real quadster - the one right in the middle of all the 4Lzers and the 4Ters. There's been a lot of wondering about what this does to their bodies, and, well, Yuzu going on until Patrick's age at PC? I don't expect it. If he competes, he'll want to go for gold. Maybe I'm being unduly pessimistic, but I would honestly be really surprised if he managed to do it, and I'd be sad too because it would mean risking a robo-ankle. That could figure into TCC's decision to take a competitor. Didn't Brian say that after Yuna, he stopped being so completely focused only on what his skater needs, but also looked at what TCC and he needed? It left the impression that they turned down skaters because they didn't want a direct competitor training there. With how they managed Javi and Yuzu, they might feel they can do it better this time. But it doesn't sound like Boyang will go for a longterm thing, it sounds like the summer training programme, with his main coach there as well. TCC might be more open to new ladies, they don't have such a deep field there and there are fewer complications.

The far less negative part:

 

But when I said they should be given every opportunity to improve, I didn't mean it in quite the idealistic way it came out. I meant that every skater should be free to reach out to whatever coaching team without backlash from fans or bad publicity (or worry that somehow them getting better is going to make Yuzu look bad or drive Yuzu mad with quadlust, which is where most of the worrying was headed). 

 

I didn't mean everybody's entitled to go to TCC, I meant I'm not in the least afraid of Boyang (or anybody else) becoming the best skater he can possibly be, at TCC (if after due consideration all parties agree they can work with it) or wherever. Their chance to improve shouldn't come at the cost of Yuzu's training getting derailed in any way, it's not like TCC has limitless resources. 

[meoima]

Will Chinese fed send Boyang to TCC permanently or it’s just summer camp? It depends on both Chinese fed and TCC. Will it be at TCC or just at Lori’a ice rink? The information is still so vague and it’s still not a done deal. If they don’t hit a deal or if they hit a deal we’ll have to wait for the summer to be over especially when they’re just all considering all options. 

 

Also, no coach and no skating club is for everyone. Just saying. Yuna left TCC. Adam Rippon left TCC. Nam Nguyen left TCC. Roman Sadowsky left TCC. 

Some people work well in a certain environment and some don’t. It’s not like TCC is a skating heaven for everyone.

 

We should just wait and see.

[CupidsBow]

6 minutes ago, meoima said:

Will Chinese fed send Boyang to TCC permanently or it’s just summer camp? It depends on both Chinese fed and TCC. Will it be at TCC or just at Lori’a ice rink? The information is still so vague and it’s still not a done deal. If they don’t hit a deal or if they hit a deal we’ll have to wait for the summer to be over especially when they’re just all considering all options. 

 

Also, no coach and no skating club is for everyone. Just saying. Yuna left TCC. Adam Rippon left TCC. Nam Nguyen left TCC. Roman Sadowsky left TCC. 

Some people work well in a certain environment and some don’t. It’s not like TCC is a skating heaven for everyone.

 

We should just wait and see.

 

the way I saw it, it's just a temp thing so probably just for a summer camp

[cinemacoconut]

2 hours ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

I'll have to disagree slightly with this.

Yes, of course they should have all opportunities but that's a bit idealized IMO because Yuzuru, and others there, also have a right to a good training enviorment. There is a reason why you mostly won't have direct major competitors training under one coach, and why if it happens, it often doesn't work out. These athletes are on top of the food chain and they got there by being insanely competitive, among other things. They are not regular people, in those terms; their thought processes are different and this isn't related to being nice or a good person. Yuzuru is a good person. He's also a competitive monster. When you have two, never mind a group, of direct competitors with those mind sets in one place for prolonged amounts of time, then chances are, there are going to be major, never mind minor, issues. Take a look at how Javier and Yuzuru trained for these Olympics and what Brian said. The training environment can suffer and Brian, Tracy and co did amazingly well to handle just the two of them and bring them both to PC prepared so well, while of course, Javier and Yuzuru helped out. But everyone kept talking about the fact they train together precisely because it's not easy to pull off. 

 

So ideally, sure, everyone should be given every opportunity but in reality, it doesn't quite work that way as coaches have to take into the account those skaters who are already there and how a newcomer would potentially influence the atmosphere in the club because their needs, and the club itself, also matter. And this of course, while TCC can at this point pick and choose, due to their current position. I mention this because for example an emerging club might prioritize differently.

Mind you, the newcomer, like in the case of Boyang, can be a perfectly nice person; it doesn't mean one whit because there could still be major issues in the end and in Boyang's case, with 2022 being in his home country, and the pressures that are already popping up, it is going to be a pressure cooker. Plus of course nobody knows how he will react to training with someone like Yuzuru. Then there's the other issue of home country of TCC, ie Canada to throw into the mix in terms of Fed pressure on Brian from there and how the possibly emerging Canadians will rock the boat. Then on top of that, Zu might decide to go for three and Cha who should be hitting his stride. How do they, and the newcomer, react to each other, and how does that influence the whole lot?

 

Training environments are tricky to maintain at this high end of the sport as people involved are well, high-maintenance, to put it that way. This is why I believe it is Brian and Tracy primarily who are going to have to think hard if it is sustainable or not. It's a complex issue that goes a bit beyond everyone should have the opportunity because if it isn't working out, opportunities for all are lost.

 

Like I said, I can tentatively say that I think it could work out because of how they seem to be and because Brian and Tracy and co already have a lot of experience under their belt but on the other hand, I can also see how it could easily go wrong. So if someone is worried about another top athlete joining TCC, I think it's normal and I don't have a problem with people thinking this isn't good news, in those terms.

 

In terms of Yuzuru, and actual skill, to risk being called biased, I don't think it matters at all if Boyang will train there for the next quad or not; Yuzuru is Yuzuru. Everything else is underestimating Yuzuru, in various ways. 

 

 

 

I love what you said. And I agree. 

 

And I think for Brian, isnt yuzu his first priority?

 

Like back when yuna kim got Vancouver Gold there was talk from Korean media that Mao asked Brian for coaching and that tension was what separated Yuna and Orser. I still believe to this day that it was jst a fan made conspiracy frm yuna fans but who knows. 

 

And look at Yagudin and Plushenko. Those two werent on good terms when they trained together. Recently I watched evgenias interview with Yagudin and he still talked about how hard it was to train with his biggest rival plushenko.

 

And then Zhenya said that at times it was hard to train with her rival zagitova in the same interview.

 

I do imagine there being an emotional and mentally draining experience of jealousy and competitive nausea if 2 of the best skaters in the world train in the same environment. 

 

If this was Nathan Chen who was coming to Brian I would say Hell No, but because from what Ive heard fanyus being positive about Boyang coming to TCC i am slowly reconsidering my negativity.

 

But I still agree with your point. Boyang going to homeground olympics and him training for it is different. 

[Yatagarasu]

1 hour ago, WinForPooh said:

Fair enough, but... (under spoiler because this might be a bit upsetting for some satellites!)

 

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 I realistically don't expect Yuzu to go for 2022 because with his injury history, I don't think he can physically keep this up. He's the first real quadster - the one right in the middle of all the 4Lzers and the 4Ters. There's been a lot of wondering about what this does to their bodies, and, well, Yuzu going on until Patrick's age at PC? I don't expect it. If he competes, he'll want to go for gold. Maybe I'm being unduly pessimistic, but I would honestly be really surprised if he managed to do it, and I'd be sad too because it would mean risking a robo-ankle. That could figure into TCC's decision to take a competitor. Didn't Brian say that after Yuna, he stopped being so completely focused only on what his skater needs, but also looked at what TCC and he needed? It left the impression that they turned down skaters because they didn't want a direct competitor training there. With how they managed Javi and Yuzu, they might feel they can do it better this time. But it doesn't sound like Boyang will go for a longterm thing, it sounds like the summer training programme, with his main coach there as well. TCC might be more open to new ladies, they don't have such a deep field there and there are fewer complications.

The far less negative part:

 

But when I said they should be given every opportunity to improve, I didn't mean it in quite the idealistic way it came out. I meant that every skater should be free to reach out to whatever coaching team without backlash from fans or bad publicity (or worry that somehow them getting better is going to make Yuzu look bad or drive Yuzu mad with quadlust, which is where most of the worrying was headed). 

 

In re to the first bit, I only know two things - never to underestimate Yuzuru and that I don't know what he's going to do. His head is an interesting place. Especially now, as I have no idea if at this point, even he knows what he might want. Never mind if it is doable as a quad is a very long time. Plushenko is his idol after all but at the same time, his health/age is what it is. Mix that and it's an interesting combo! So I'm a happy clam, and I am not thinking much about what'll happen later on; I'm going to enjoy the now, wherever that takes us. I was mostly talking about a what-if, though even in that case I feel like the Canadians and Cha are a far bigger question mark here.

 

Mhm, I agree with that for sure. Just wanted to expand a bit on all of this in the sense that it's a complex issue, overall so there's much to consider even with fan-enthusiasm. 

 

And in general, I forgot to add that while we have many Boyang fans here, we also have those who are not (much like we had a mix in re to Javier), so if some peeps simply aren't enthusiastic, it's more than fine of course.

 

21 minutes ago, meoima said:

Will Chinese fed send Boyang to TCC permanently or it’s just summer camp?

 

Considering his head coach is going with him, I am leaning heavily towards summer camp but we'll see. In either case it'll benefit him, that's for sure!

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

@people saying how he didn't win this or that comp because of this or that skater:

 

All the comps that he lost, it was simply because he didn't skate well enough to win. Because a Hanyu who skated well enough to win won because he forced the judges hands' to a point where no amount of inflation to others will help. All his wins in comps where the field was insanely strong have been that way and all his losses were because he fell a lot shorter than the times he won. It wasn't about anyone standing in his way. It was never about that with Hanyu. Hanyu's fight has always been with himself. And while this is true for all skaters, this is *especially* true for Hanyu. Because he takes it a lot further, as he is the one skater with high scores who actually earns every decimal point he's given without relying on the judges' whims and fancies and generosity. That's always been his strategy. He is nobody's racehorse but his own.

 

@people worried about Hanyu getting edged out due to others potentially becoming stronger:

 

It's only natural for others to get stronger. Getting stronger isn't a privilege exclusive to Hanyu and Hanyu alone. And wishing that it is just seems counter productive to me. I'd hate for everyone else to be held down in order for Hanyu to stay on top. Doesn't make him a worthy GOAT if he needs that to remain where he is. It's hard for me to admire someone who needs that. Hanyu doesn't. He makes me feel more magnanimous than I really am because he is the one athlete I can cheer for while being left a lot of room to cheer for others as well. And that's one of the biggest reasons why I so proudly declare myself a wholehearted supporter, when usually I'm the sort who finds the act of stanning itself a rather embarrassing practice because it sounds like it leaves very little room in the heart to appreciate much else. Hanyu has taught me that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. While I don't necessarily hold others in the same regard as I hold him, I find myself able to sincerely root for others to do their best. And that's a very good feeling. In fact, most of his best performances in recent memory are thanks to strong performances from a strong field pushing him to the point where he had no choice but to tell his head to shut up and let his body deliver. So I see absolutely no down side to others becoming even stronger.

 

I mean, it's not like I don't see where you're coming from. It sucks to see him lose to much emptier programs that he probably deserves to still win over despite mistakes (though I'm glad he didn't), or almost get beaten by programs where the jumps really aren't in the same league as his or anyone else who's closer to his league at all. But Hanyu has it in him to come out on top of it all still. Which he has, time and again.

 

The whole point of CWW is for the past to connect to the present and the present to the future. Because the present very quickly becomes the past. If Hanyu weren't allowed to flourish when he was an up-and-comer so others can remain in their heyday until they retire, then we wouldn't have the Hanyu of today. If Hanyu were to stick around, it's up to Hanyu to remain on top, if that's what he wants, amidst a field that is becoming stronger and stronger, because then so too, will he become even stronger. And a Hanyu that's stronger than what we've seen of him at his strongest in the past? And coupled with the wisdom and experience that he has now? *whistles* And while I don't believe a leopard can change its spots or a tiger its stripes, I don't think winning it all is top priority for the guy in future seasons like it was before, though he'll likely still be out for blood in the really big events because once a predator, always a predator. And when he's like that, you've got absolutely nothing to be worried about.

 

I want to say that if it comes a day that someone beats Hanyu fair and square after Hanyu has delivered a clean performance, then we should rejoice the emergence of a new and worthy successor to the throne. But this person won't be from the current crop of senior competitors because while immensely talented in their own right, none of them have the kind of all around talent Hanyu does in his pinky finger alone, from what I can tell of their past performances in the senior division. They just don't have the it factor Hanyu does, no matter how much ISU, feds and the judges want us to believe they do. Not to belittle their talent and successes, and there are so many pioneers who helped shaped Hanyu into the skater he is today, but no skater did in the past, just as no one has it right now either. Hanyu is the culmination of all the good past skaters have done for the sport and I don't see the same kind of complete culmination in anyone in the senior ranks right now, nor anything remotely resembling it. So we can only look to the future.

 

But for now if Hanyu wants to stay on top, if health permits, he'll stay on top. Because no matter how good everyone else gets, Hanyu will be better, so long as he wants to be.* So relax. 

 

*I do hope he'll take it easier while doing that though, rather than the desperation to reign like before. He might find that it works better for him where he is right now, after proving to himself that he can achieve his his dream. So I hope whatever challenges he puts up for himself in the future, he'll approach them with less hunger to prove himself right and more wisdom (if not necessarily relaxed because I don't think that's a thing he does), so that he would be able to simply enjoy the time he has left as a competitor.

 

Y'all don't have to agree with me, ofc. This is just how I feel.

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1 hour ago, WinForPooh said:

Fair enough, but... (under spoiler because this might be a bit upsetting for some satellites!)

 

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 I realistically don't expect Yuzu to go for 2022 because with his injury history, I don't think he can physically keep this up. He's the first real quadster - the one right in the middle of all the 4Lzers and the 4Ters. There's been a lot of wondering about what this does to their bodies, and, well, Yuzu going on until Patrick's age at PC? I don't expect it. If he competes, he'll want to go for gold. Maybe I'm being unduly pessimistic, but I would honestly be really surprised if he managed to do it, and I'd be sad too because it would mean risking a robo-ankle. That could figure into TCC's decision to take a competitor. Didn't Brian say that after Yuna, he stopped being so completely focused only on what his skater needs, but also looked at what TCC and he needed? It left the impression that they turned down skaters because they didn't want a direct competitor training there. With how they managed Javi and Yuzu, they might feel they can do it better this time. But it doesn't sound like Boyang will go for a longterm thing, it sounds like the summer training programme, with his main coach there as well. TCC might be more open to new ladies, they don't have such a deep field there and there are fewer complications.

The far less negative part:

 

But when I said they should be given every opportunity to improve, I didn't mean it in quite the idealistic way it came out. I meant that every skater should be free to reach out to whatever coaching team without backlash from fans or bad publicity (or worry that somehow them getting better is going to make Yuzu look bad or drive Yuzu mad with quadlust, which is where most of the worrying was headed). 

 

I didn't mean everybody's entitled to go to TCC, I meant I'm not in the least afraid of Boyang (or anybody else) becoming the best skater he can possibly be, at TCC (if after due consideration all parties agree they can work with it) or wherever. Their chance to improve shouldn't come at the cost of Yuzu's training getting derailed in any way, it's not like TCC has limitless resources. 

 

 

Your quote about Robo ankle scares me. As long as Yuzu doesnt go crazy quad lutz mode he shld be fine. I think the last 4 years was full of injuries partly because yuzu was desperate for OGM and it made him reckless in training. He will train more wisely Im sure.

 

And with IJS system changing, they are shortening the music length and also lowering quad BV or limiting Quad jump numbers so there may be possibility for older skaters like yuzu to have a chance at 3rd OGM.

 

Its a long off and Im willing to wait for what he chooses to do!! I wish he would stop reading hate messages frm now so he wnt say stuff like the quotes he said in Ciontu ending anymore haha. Im actually more worried about his mental drain nowadays