General Yuzuru Chat

[xeyra]

1 minute ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

Certainly but then Yuzuru's mentality still is what it is, and that will play its own role. I primarily mean that he just doesn't like backing down and that it is actually possible his mentality to be negatively affected by a more sensible, 'easier', layout. This is why, like @yuzuangel, I can see the 4Lz both staying and going. After all he could keep the 4 quad layout and switch out the quads. In this way, he keeps his new quad, while retaining the old, 'easier', layout, which would require less stamina. If he is doing really well in practice, he may decide to go for it. 

 

It's why that Team event, and to think I once moaned about it (and I am still not thrilled with it but it suits him now so I'll be a happy hypocrite), is going to come in handy. He may test-run something there, if the opportunity presents itself. 

 

I for one would be the happiest bean if he was recovered and ready enough to bring the 4Lz back. I hope he can, am prepared for if he doesn't. But when we speak about his mentality playing a role here and not allowing him to back down from difficulty... I don't know, maybe a mentality shift and compromise might be necessary for great success. Wasn't that what the tarot reading said, back before all this crap? 

[Yatagarasu]

9 minutes ago, xeyra said:

 

I for one would be the happiest bean if he was recovered and ready enough to bring the 4Lz back. I hope he can, am prepared for if he doesn't. But when we speak about his mentality playing a role here and not allowing him to back down from difficulty... I don't know, maybe a mentality shift and compromise might be necessary for great success. Wasn't that what the tarot reading said, back before all this crap? 

 

A mentality shift is probably one of the hardest things to do, and it's only possible to a certain extent anyway. I think a good way is indeed to compromise, and I'm sure they're doing something like that. If he's in good enough shape, he'll try the next step, and then the next when that is stable but honestly, Yuzuru wouldn't be Yuzuru and wouldn't be where he is, if he didn't have that mentality so not everything needs to be filed down. Just tempered. In any case, nothing would surprise me, whatever their decision ends up being.

I think Brian, Tracy and the team will play a huge role here in guiding him but knock on wood they end up finding the right balance that suits him and he's feeling comfortable with his choices by the time he's in PC.

 

... which is in, give or take, three weeks ....

 

[KatjaThera]

Re: mentality, I'll quote one of my favorite book series: "Can't eviscerate essential self." Though whether taking risks is Yuzu's essential self, who knows?

 

At the end of the day, we'll never know which is the best layout choice. If he wins, we'll think that was it, but maybe he would have won even bigger with another. He might not land 4Lz consistently and he might have had issues with 4Lo this season, but he might still land them both in Oly. Personally I think it's still more a matter of mental conditioning and things falling into place (behind the scenes/off the ice) than layouts. He'll never pick a layout he can't dp. The only thing is whether he'll be able to do it. Of course, certain layouts offer higher possibilities, but that doesn't mean he'll nail it. Just as a safe, lower probability of success layout doesn't mean he'll fail.

[Sombreuil]

He accepted the need to adapt Phantom to what he could physically manage in 2014/15 - maybe he can do it again but it is Olympic year.........

[Danibellerika]

2 hours ago, Xen said:

Well he could do team SP or team LP to test the waters. If he does SP, maybe do the 4Lo version in team SP and go for the stable 4S version for individual to stay clean (he needs stable score, not exactly the highest possible though the ACI version scores well too). 

 

This season is just a little too weird for my liking. Why did I choose to get back into FS right around Olys, why?!

 

Japan has to qualify for the free first though and they aren't as much of a shoe in as before (though I am already bored to tears of a team free I'll have to sit through with no team japan; would have planned to go to japan earlier in that case...).  Italy has Koster, the ice dancers, and a better pairs team. France has stronger ice dancers and pairs than they did in the past and they will certainly do better than Japan's pairs and ice dancers.  To make up the slack Japan's ladies would need to be where mao was if not higher and the japanese man (either shoma or yuzu) will likely need to win the short.  So now there is an issue that Yuzu would have to be willing to skate both portions or potentially miss out on the opportunity all together. 

[yuzuangel]

3 minutes ago, Danibellerika said:

 

Japan has to qualify for the free first though and they aren' as much of a shoe in as before.  Italy has Koster, the ice dancers, and a better pairs team. France has stronger ice dancers and pairs than they did in the past and they will certainly do better than Japan's pairs and ice dancers.  To make up the slack Japan's ladies would need to be where mao was if not higher and the japanese man (either shoma or yuzu) will likely need to win the short.  So now there is an issue that Yuzu would have to be willing to skate both portions or potentially miss out on the opportunity all together. 

Yeah, pretty sure Yuzu will skate the short, then. Shoma has consistently lost to Nathan in the short except Worlds '17.

[xeyra]

22 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

... which is in, give or take, three weeks ....

 

 

Shit, so soon. I'm not actually ready. 

[Aotoshiro]

40 minutes ago, MrPudding said:

so maybe Fred with 4Lz and FS with 4 quads 

I hope 4Lo is enough upgrade for him tbh...I can't imagine ANYBODY, not even Yuzu, having short enough preparation time for 4Lz to fit within Chopin's choreo.

_{Then again, Yuzu is king of impossible, so he could surprise me, and spread-eagle sandwiched Lutz would be a thing of utter beauty.}

19 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

which is in, give or take, three weeks ....

Thanks for scaring living daylights out of me, it means I have about 21 days to wrap up my exams bc I doubt I will manage to do anything during PC...

 

13 minutes ago, Sombreuil said:

He accepted the need to adapt Phantom to what he could physically manage in 2014/15 - maybe he can do it again but it is Olympic year.........

AND he still skated it in a state human being would not even risk steppin on the ice- wound on the stomach is scary enough on the ground... I DO hope he will take a page out of his younger self in the aspect you mentioned. Ok, at this moment I will take anything, and it doesn't help I have a presentation about the novel called "Gloria Victis" this Friday... (at least not in February!)

 

10 minutes ago, Danibellerika said:

 

Japan has to qualify for the free first though and they aren't as much of a shoe in as before (though I am already bored to tears of a team free I'll have to sit through with no team japan; would have planned to go to japan earlier in that case...).  Italy has Koster, the ice dancers, and a better pairs team. France has stronger ice dancers and pairs than they did in the past and they will certainly do better than Japan's pairs and ice dancers.  To make up the slack Japan's ladies would need to be where mao was if not higher and the japanese man (either shoma or yuzu) will likely need to win the short.  So now there is an issue that Yuzu would have to be willing to skate both portions or potentially miss out on the opportunity all together. 

Canadians have strong almost everything, if their Men don't fail them, or Osmond/Gabby/that third girl that goes to Olys will not meltdown. America has Men and Ice Dance, but Pairs and Ladies are ??? in my head, so do they count on inflation there, or do their competitors have chance to...okay, what the hell I am thinking about, it IS Canada and America, not a chance they do not qualify.

Russia or Athletes from Russia are allowed to skate in the Team, right?

[Yatagarasu]

14 minutes ago, yuzuangel said:

Yeah, pretty sure Yuzu will skate the short, then. Shoma has consistently lost to Nathan in the short except Worlds '17.

 

Yes, Yuzuru should skate the short, I think that's a given, but what about the Free, in case they do qualify? Technically speaking, that one should go to Shoma, with the whole way Japan has set it up - best SP score skates the SP, in case that person also has the best FS, it goes to second best. 

[Danibellerika]

6 minutes ago, Aotoshiro said:

I hope 4Lo is enough upgrade for him tbh...I can't imagine ANYBODY, not even Yuzu, having short enough preparation time for 4Lz to fit within Chopin's choreo.

_{Then again, Yuzu is king of impossible, so he could surprise me, and spread-eagle sandwiched Lutz would be a thing of utter beauty.}

Thanks for scaring living daylights out of me, it means I have about 21 days to wrap up my exams bc I doubt I will manage to do anything during PC...

 

AND he still skated it in a state human being would not even risk steppin on the ice- wound on the stomach is scary enough on the ground... I DO hope he will take a page out of his younger self in the aspect you mentioned. Ok, at this moment I will take anything, and it doesn't help I have a presentation about the novel called "Gloria Victis" this Friday... (at least not in February!)

 

Canadians have strong almost everything, if their Men don't fail them, or Osmond/Gabby/that third girl that goes to Olys will not meltdown. America has Men and Ice Dance, but Pairs and Ladies are ??? in my head, so do they count on inflation there, or do their competitors have chance to...okay, what the hell I am thinking about, it IS Canada and America, not a chance they do not qualify.

Russia or Athletes from Russia are allowed to skate in the Team, right?

Yeah OAR is allowed to compete as a team.  I think Canada, USA, and OAR have the first 3 spots sewn up (just a matter of if OAR or Canada wins gold or silver; enjoy defending your bronze, USA).   

 

5 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

Yes, Yuzuru should skate the short, I think that's a given, but what about the Free, in case they do qualify? Technically speaking, that one should go to Shoma, with the whole way Japan has set it up - best SP score skates the SP, in case that person also has the best FS, it goes to second best. 

I think they mentioned they'd allow Yuzu the opportunity to skate in either or both portions. 

[ralucutzagy]

Jesus ... after reading all this discussion abt layouts  and stamina and lack of training and stuff, all I can say is that I'm worried sick abt him, I'm not ready for the Olys at all and I can't believe that we are almost there ....  omg ... how am I gonna keep my shit together I have no idea  .... I need a drink 

[Sombreuil]

Well Shoma did lots of back to back competitions last season and seemed to thrive on them so he might benefit from doing the team free if they get that far.

[Danibellerika]

2 minutes ago, ralucutzagy said:

Jesus ... after reading all this discussion abt layouts  and stamina and lack of training and stuff, all I can say is that I'm worried sick abt him, I'm not ready for the Olys at all and I can't believe that we are almost there ....  omg ... how am I gonna keep my shit together .... I need a drink 

I think with the final preparations of planning the trip I am in a weird place.  Sort of nervous, but also so busy planning things that I can't think about it as much.  I think distractions might be good. 

 

1 minute ago, Sombreuil said:

Well Shoma did lots of back to back competitions last season and seemed to thrive on them so he might benefit from doing the team free if they get that far.

I don't know if what works for Shoma will necessarily work for Yuzu. 

 

So the New York Times article is in print. But according to my friend the title is worse. Says "Icon Stumbles on Road to Perfection".  *sigh* 

[Yatagarasu]

4 minutes ago, Danibellerika said:

 I think they mentioned they'd allow Yuzu the opportunity to skate in either or both portions. 

 

I completely missed that, thank you!
Curious, guess we'll see then, in case they do qualify. Huh, I honestly have no clue what he'd choose. I can see the pros and cons to both.

[yuzuangel]

3 minutes ago, Danibellerika said:

So the New York Times article is in print. But according to my friend the title is worse. Says "Icon Stumbles on Road to Perfection".  *sigh* 

NO. WHY?!?!?!