General Yuzuru Chat

[OonsieHui]

27 minutes ago, asiacheetah said:

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I'm Taiwanese American grew up in the States. It's more of a racist/offensive term in the US (I can only speak for in the US not in other countries). It's offensive because it's an outdated term that calls back to the fetishizing of "oriental" people (women and girls) specifically and calls back to the Colonial past when western countries made land grabs in Asia as part of their imperial aspiration.

 

Oriental refers to people from the Orient encompassing eastern part of Asia. The Orient includes countries and regions like Japan, China, Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan. Asia is a much larger continent which includes places like India, Pakistan, Cambodia, Tibet, Nepal and most of Russia.

 

From the Oxford Dictionary: The term oriental has an out-of-date feel as a term denoting people from Asia; it tends to be associated with a rather offensive stereotype of the people and their customs as inscrutable and exotic. In US English Asian is the standard accepted term in modern use; in British English, where Asian tends to denote people from the Indian subcontinent, specific terms such as Chinese or Japanese are more likely to be used.

 

Asian is the catchphrase used now days in the US for everyone residing or from the Asia continents so it does include people from India and Nepal, China, southeast Asia etc. That's the little box I check anyway in my Census data when I have to choose a "race" category.

 

Of course if people ask where I'm from, I wouldn't say Asia. Depending on the questioner and what information they are trying to get, I'm either an a**hole and say I'm from California or I say I'm from Taiwan because that's basically what they are trying to find out, my ancestor's country of origin. I won't go into my rant about the (catch-al)l American tendencies toward micro-racism when they ask people not looking Caucasian "where they are from." That's another heap of trouble not appropriate for this topic.

 

I would say if asked, Yuzuru would answer he's Japanese.

 

Edit: you will more likely hear the term Oriental used by people from the older generation. My host grandpa called us oriental and he fought in WWII. The term is outdated and has a negative connotation.

 

Double edit: so if you were called "Oriental" from a Westerner, they are either older generation or not from the US. If they're from the US and they are younger, depending on how they use it, they are either sadly outdated in terminology, or by golly they might be racist. (I kid I kid). Or am I?

 

 

 

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Hmmmm interesting. I've lived in the UK for quite some time now without coming across this negative connotation. Never came across if growing up in my home country either. Maybe it is a US thing. 

 

Oh well. Live and learn. I still personally am not at all offended by the term, but understand that others can be, especially within the context of US culture.

 

My personal view is that unless something is said/done with a negative intention (in this case racist), I tend not to let the past dictate my present. But that's obviously a very personal outlook on life, and it's nice to know there's this other pov for when I'm on international forums like this one. 

 

Thanks for the explanation! It was interesting to read another pov

 

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[Sammie]

19 minutes ago, OonsieHui said:

 

 

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Hmmmm interesting. I've lived in the UK for quite some time now without coming across this negative connotation. Never came across if growing up in my home country either. Maybe it is a US thing. 

 

Oh well. Live and learn. I still personally am not at all offended by the term, but understand that others can be, especially within the context of US culture.

 

My personal view is that unless something is said/done with a negative intention (in this case racist), I tend not to let the past dictate my present. But that's obviously a very personal outlook on life, and it's nice to know there's this other pov for when I'm on international forums like this one. 

 

Thanks for the explanation! It was interesting to read another pov

 

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Yeah it’s an US thing. I find that word uncomfortable myself describing Asians. 

 

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1 minute ago, Sammie said:

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Yeah it’s an US thing. I find that word uncomfortable myself describing Asians. 

 

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Of course it's not my place to butt in as I'm not Asian but I have definitely noticed that "oriental" is still a term used among a certain generation in Australia and the UK as well. I hope it's the case that many just don't realise that it's outdated and hurtful and would make the effort to change their language if it was brought to their attention.

[asiacheetah]

1 hour ago, Bonesfan said:

asiacheetah - I have not made any posts using the word “oriental”. 

https://planethanyu.com/topic/3-general-yuzuru-chat/?page=3305

 

Page 3305. Is that a misquote or something? Like I said I couldn't find the original post other than what was in Michaelis' quoted post.

 

Edit: maybe the formatting made it look like a quote from you and it should have been addressed to Michaelis. Sorry for the confusion!

[singermelodie1]

seems like javi will be there

[Sammie]

Just now, singermelodie1 said:

seems like javi will be there

I’m so confused.  

[singermelodie1]

Just now, Sammie said:

I’m so confused.  

me too but I'm just going along with whatever yuzu plans

[Sammie]

[Forcefield]

5 minutes ago, singermelodie1 said:

seems like javi will be there

 

Or maybe he won't be there for all 3 days and maybe just the last one?

[Mineeal]

hace 4 minutos , singermelodie1 said:

seems like javi will be there

 

Im... like.. HOW?!?! for what i know Javi is in Spain right now.... sooo.... is he going to be just on Sunday's show.. or the plan was for Javi to be there but he wont? or what?, cause i would love if Javi is there but... i just dont think it will be doable...

[yura23]

8 minutes ago, singermelodie1 said:

seems like javi will be there

Please don't play with my fragile heart

[yuzuangel]

17 minutes ago, Sammie said:

It's amazing

[SparkleSalad]

I'm just so happy for @MrPudding that she won't have to hide from our angry, pitchfork-wielding mob hellbent on revenge for getting out hopes up. ^_^

[monchan]

Outside the venue, there's 300-400 ppl