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They auto-tuned the heck out of his la la la, I'm sure.
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This does not bode well for his singing voice. I imagine whoever directed the CM did ask him to sing and then they changed their minds two words in. Nope, nope, nope, thank you, lip syncing is fine!
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I'm sold. Bring this on, Yuzu!
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This is the progression of highest score listing. They only list the scores that were WR, from first to current.
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I'm... not sure what to think if he goes for Seimei again. It'll depend on whether it's a completely new music cut with other parts of the OST or the same music with just a few changes. If he wasn't doing Chopin already I'd be happier and less anxious for this idea of using Seimei again. As it is, the possibility doesn't fill me with confidence. Yuzu, why u do dis?
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Yeah please send me the link again. I'll use yours as the basis for the other men's jump analysis if you don't mind. I'll also be adding rows in the spreadsheet to see the averages in each PCS components for the 2016/2017 season soon.
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Yay!!!! Welcome back, mcq!!!
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I just let Excel do all the math and if it matched protocols I was good. :) I did worry I'd done something wrong because that SP average would have actually placed Yuzu above Shoma in the SP average. WTT was such a return to SC Yuzu.
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Ah it's missing WTT, there's the difference. Thank you! That reassures me.
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Jina, which competitions did you use for Yuzu? Because your LGC averages don't match the ones in the spreadsheet and now I'm wondering if I did any mistake putting in the data. Since he didn't go to Nationals in 2016, they shouldn't differ, I think.
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I really loved this interview with Shoma. Not just the parts he talks about Yuzu but his entire feelings and thoughts on his evolution. He actually shares a lot more with Yuzu than you think, including this need to always improve, to never being happy, to aiming for an ideal that is always changing and evolving. And also I really liked how he didn't allow the interviewer to push him too much.
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Also, the animations on YOI's DVD releases seem to have been improved from the TV version once the animators actually had time to do them justice and they're a lot smoother.
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Not gonna lie, I'd always prefer something new but the 3A and 4T3T in this Chopin version went a long way to change my mind about 'Chopin again!?' as well as the rationalization about its advantages. There's a lot of risk involved too but I'm hopeful. And he'll have time to work on the rougher parts. I did kind of wish if he was repeating, he might go for LGC instead (rock those crowds out) but I did consider a few reasons (beside the combo mental block) why he wouldn't. Plus his pants might not be family friendly.
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On the other hand, he doesn't have the gorgeous arm raising movement he had in the broadcast version in his sit spin (second spin). He didn't seem to raise it as high in this version and I'm sad because I loved that detail! Edit: Camera angles on the Asahi version were at times worse than the cam version we got. Geesh.
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A few more observations from the STATISTICS TAB: GOE Yuzuru has the highest GOE average in the SP (6.75) and the FS (12.88); Boyang has the lowest GOE average in the SP (2.08); Nathan has the lowest GOE average in the FS (2.12) but is only 0.02 points lower than Boyang's average GOE; When it comes to the difference between highest and lowest GOE, Yuzuru has the lowest difference (7.13) and Boyang the highest (15.06) in the SP but it's not the same with the FS where Yuzuru has the highest difference (21.51) and Patrick the lowest (9.98); The highest standard deviation (variation relative to the mean) in the SP belongs to Boyang (6.19) and the lowest to Yuzuru (2.64). In the FS, it is however Boyang who has the highest (8.28) and Shoma the lowest (3.61); Despite his f*ck ups with the combo and/or 4Lo, Yuzuru maintained a relative steady stream of positive average GOEs in the SP (helped by his 3A and his non-jump elements). LGC was a good SP for him and the judges agreed: he just needed to skate it clean and they'd have showered him with even more GOEs; In the FS, there were many highs and lows for the men (Yuzu ) but Shoma and Patrick managed to maintain the steadiest GOEs, relative to their averages. BV To no one's surprise Nathan wins the BV average game in the SP (50.40) and the FS (102.12). Patrick had the lowest in both (41.14 and 81.83 respectively); The difference between highest and lowest BV in the SP is largest with Yuzuru (17.70) and lowest with Boyang (5.30); As for the standard deviation, Yuzuru has the highest value in the SP (7.28) and Boyang the lowest (2.19). Simply put, Yuzuru's SP BV oscilated too damn much and Boyang was the steadiest; For the FS, this difference is highest in Shoma (23.09) and lowest in Javi (11.64). Shoma did change his FS layout quite significantly in the later part of the season (with adding a 4Lo and an extra quad). The standard deviation reflects this as well. Nathan started the season with 5 quads and then changed BVs between 4 to 6 quads layouts through the season, so this difference isn't as high as Shoma's. PCS Average SP PCS go to Javi (46.57), though Yuzuru isn't far behind. Who said judges didn't like LGC again? Javi wins in the FS PCS score as well. To no one's surprise, Boyang had the lowest average PCS in both segments; Difference is lowest with Javi between the highest and lowest PCS both for the SP (2.95) and the FS (3.86). The difference is highest with Nathan in the SP (5.79) and FS (14.00). He also wins the highest standard deviation in both segments, so Nathan indeed had the highest differences in PCS from the top 6 men. Spending time with Marina, landing those quads and/or being the new American hope did wonders for his PCS. SCORE Javi won the SP average score and Yuzuru the FS. The following table describes the average score positioning: SHORT PROGRAM FREE SKATE JAVIER FERNANDEZ (98.64) YUZURU HANYU (195.86) SHOMA UNO (95.70) SHOMA UNO (192.19) YUZURU HANYU (93.90) JAVIER FERNANDEZ (190.00) NATHAN CHEN (93.33) NATHAN CHEN (186.05) BOYANG JIN (91.41) BOYANG JIN (182.05) PATRICK CHAN (90.66) PATRICK CHAN (181.02) The difference between scores is highest with Yuzuru for both SP (26.88) and FS. Get ready for this: the difference between his lowest FS score at Autumn Classic and his highest at Worlds is a whooping 50.93 points! Talk about not doing things in half measures; Patrick actually had the lowest difference in the FS scores (19.92) and Javi in the SP (17.50); Standard deviation is actually highest for Boyang in the SP and for Yuzuru in the FS. It's lowest for Nathan in the SP and for Javi in the FS. Meaning the latter's scores diverged the least from their average score amongst the men in the respective segment.
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Wait. which video are these from? Good heavens, man, learn to use spreadsheets!
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He did try 4T-1Lo-4T at Worlds gala but I don't remember seeing him try a quad-4T. Not even a 3A-4T.
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It wasn't the score that was the problem, it was the position he was in after the SP. Which eventually lead him to skate first, which is yet another issue. Usually judges tend to reward a bit more if they see good performances after good performances, I think, like what happened at GPF 2015. So if you skate last or close to it...
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OMG!!! Now I need video of this.
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Quoting myself to let everyone know this is now an editable Google Sheet and there's new data that has been added (BV, Score, PCS). You're free to go there and experiment with some functions, if there's anything you find relevant to add and are more knowledgeable on how to do it. You're also free to add in raw data that hasn't been inserted yet (that'd be helpful). Eventually, there'll be tabs with jump success rate as well (if anyone wants to get a headstart on that...).
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Yuzu got some +3 GOE on his SP 3A but didn't get any in his 3A combos in the FS. I suspect 3A2T may not achieve close to +3 GOE any time soon, compared to 3A3Ts and other harder combos, unless he skates last and has a good SP, at which point the judges might be more generous. The times he did do 3A2T this season he either popped his 4S combo to a 2S-3T or didn't pop his combo but skated earlier. Same thing for his 3A1Lo3S, which also didn't work out entirely well (some UR/DR in the half loop, from a shaky 3A landing, and sometimes a 2S instead of a 3S) or was replaced by a 4T combo.
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Thank you both. Which Ice Show was it, you remember?
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Hey, 97 wasn't so bad a number. I'd give him more GOEs before I thought about changing the PCS. PCS can be quite subjective, especially the last three categories, so I never quite criticize them too much. 97ish was also what he got the first time he skated Seimei clean, at NHK. Yuzu's greatest strength is his GOEs, which helped him a lot when he f*cked up his layouts with pops or falls. GOEs can also be Javi and Patrick's strengths, but they were even more inconsistent in them and they already have lower BV. Shoma, on the other hand, has almost as much GOE as Yuzu and similar, if not higher, BV. Shoma also had what seems to be less variance in scores and GOEs. This is where the idea of high consistency comes. I wonder what's the best way to calculate variance. I don't think just seeing the difference between the highest and lowest score is enough? Nathan and Boyang had HUGE amounts of BV but aside from GPF or Worlds, respectively, their GOEs weren't particularly high (nor their PCS). I'm going to add to the first tab's table the BV, PCS and Score averages for easier comparison. Anything else you or anyone thinks might be useful to also add, let me know, aside from the promised jump rate percentages, which are going to be another nightmare (though @sallycinnamon already did Yuzu's before). Also, I've now actually opened the google sheet for editing, because I was dumb and had it view only.
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Caught this on twitter and was wondering when did this happen and who is the guy in the checkered shirt? I know the others are Javi and Oda, yes?
