I didnt think she should or ever would. Just what ifs crossed my mind. Looking at angles, that is all. I understand all the rest. 

22 minutes ago, liv said:

 I didnt think she should or ever would. Just what ifs crossed my mind. Looking at angles, that is all. I understand all the rest. 

Understandable The rumour has been going around, probably because we been a little short on rumours in the past few days haven't we

I'm actually really curious about Polina Tsurskaya's next step. This is another hit, because now Eteri just has Zagi left and the crop of juniors. 

There’s Panenkova, but god, if that’s going to be an epitome of women’s skating... 

This thread is moving forward so fast I've given up trying to keep up with it, since I have other writing chores I'm dealing with.  What I've been able to gather right now is that if developments continue the way they seem to be, Brian might find himself with an embarrassment of riches.  He already has the arguably greatest skater of all time training under him but has another up-and-coming one and a potential future superstar.  That much I'm sure of.  But I don't know if the question relating to Boyang's coming to TCC is resolved, and now with Medvedeva maybe coming to Toronto, well, things are beginning to become a bit too much.  As to why this is happening, it can all be credited to Yuzu and Javi.  The fact that both were training together, and that Brian was able to devote full attention to both together indicates that Brian knows how to train elite talent at the same time, getting the best results from all.  Has there ever been a case where the same coach has had two of his skaters on the very same Olympic podium before?  That is testimony to the fact that Brian does not play favorites with his athletes and is a clear reason why some other skaters are potentially looking towards TCC as a desirable step.  Yuzu and Javi together on the podium tell the world that Brian offers ALL of his athletes the same high level of coaching.

@Fay @Yatagarasu: With your knowledge of russian skating schools, is there a chance we could get a brief guide of the various schools, coaches etc that exist in Russia? I know it's a long list potentially, but maybe just the key players/schools etc for women's discipline. For example, Panova, Urmanov, CSKA etc and how things work? It would probably help any one new to FS when evaluating Russian skating, and why people are dismissing the idea of Zhenya staying in Russia. 

1 minute ago, Xen said:

@Fay @Yatagarasu: With your knowledge of russian skating schools, is there a chance we could get a brief guide of the various schools, coaches etc that exist in Russia? I know it's a long list potentially, but maybe just the key players/schools etc for women's discipline. For example, Panova, Urmanov, CSKA etc and how things work? It would probably help any one new to FS when evaluating Russian skating, and why people are dismissing the idea of Zhenya staying in Russia. 

Hmmm, it would take some time to research, but... Urmanov is no longer teaching any top students. No financing. So basically it’s Sambo 70 with Eteri and Tsareva, CSKA with Buyanova and Sokolovskaya, and a couple of St.Petersburg coaches like Mishin or Chebotareva. 

There isn’t a more powerful women’s coach than Eteri in Russia now. Literally. So anyone Zhenya decides to go to within Russia, that’s going to mean downgrading. 

Just now, Fay said:

Hmmm, it would take some time to research, but... Urmanov is no longer teaching any top students. No financing. So basically it’s Sambo 70 with Eteri and Tsareva, CSKA with Buyanova and Sokolovskaya, and a couple of St.Petersburg coaches like Mishin or Chebotareva. 

There isn’t a more powerful women’s coach than Eteri in Russia now. Literally. So anyone Zhenya decides to go to within Russia, that’s going to mean downgrading. 

I've only recently heard of Panova due to many of the technically sound jumper juniors in Eteri's camp coming from her (Tarakanova for example). But a lot of her skaters also end up in Sambo70, so it's unlikely her school will rise up? 

Just now, Xen said:

I've only recently heard of Panova due to many of the technically sound jumper juniors in Eteri's camp coming from her (Tarakanova for example). But a lot of her skaters also end up in Sambo70, so it's unlikely her school will rise up? 

No, it’s not likely in the short term, I’d say. Just because many of her students end up with coaches like Eteri. She’s likely to be stuck with juniors until the end of her coaching years

1 minute ago, Fay said:

No, it’s not likely in the short term, I’d say. Just because many of her students end up with coaches like Eteri. She’s likely to be stuck with juniors until the end of her coaching years

Would be amusing if any of her former students go to Eteri, gains experience and then goes back to her. 

Just now, Xen said:

Would be amusing if any of her former students go to Eteri, gains experience and then goes back to her. 

A coach who hasn’t really worked with senior students can find it difficult to cope. 

15 minutes ago, micaelis said:

Has there ever been a case where the same coach has had two of his skaters on the very same Olympic podium before? 

 Well, Eteri has. 

16 minutes ago, ajnats said:

 Well, Eteri has. 

I stand corrected.  Thank you (this is not meant sarcastically).

25 minutes ago, Xen said:

@Fay @Yatagarasu: With your knowledge of russian skating schools, is there a chance we could get a brief guide of the various schools, coaches etc that exist in Russia? I know it's a long list potentially, but maybe just the key players/schools etc for women's discipline. For example, Panova, Urmanov, CSKA etc and how things work? It would probably help any one new to FS when evaluating Russian skating, and why people are dismissing the idea of Zhenya staying in Russia. 

A friend of mine on Tumblr is really invested in juniors and novices especially in Japan and Russia and while it's not directly answering your question, she has done an intro on Panova's team as well as one on Japan's figure skating schools and I think she may be working on a Russian schools guide. Obviously don't take it as your only source but maybe it will help give you some background ( :

• https://jumpitwithashuulanditwithapa.tumblr.com/post/171792085453/panovas-team-intro-post-aka-panova-is-the-most
• https://jumpitwithashuulanditwithapa.tumblr.com/post/173325212893/state-of-japanese-skating-intro-post-im-not
• https://jumpitwithashuulanditwithapa.tumblr.com/post/172589501978/south-korean-junior-ladies-masterpost-yuna-kims (adding a Korean ladies masterpost as well)

@micaelis There's also Zoueva with V/M and D/W, but I feel that in both her and Eteri's case competitors weren't as happy because they were all aiming for gold and there was/is some drama involved. I think with Yuzuru and Javi it really helped that, afaik, Javier was aiming for podium, not for gold.