General Skating Chat

[WinForPooh]

1 minute ago, Eclair said:

in ladies, doing a transition before a solo jump in the SP is not that hard, so everyone is doing it. It doesn't change anything for the Russian ladies, if arm movements are now considered TR before a solo jump. On the other hand, the rule change could potentially benefit their male skaters, because doing steps before a quad is way more difficult. 

So far, it doesn't specify that they're talking about the before solo jump part, does it? They still define that as 'steps'? I think they're talking about between jumps, the TR score, not the GOE for the jumps.

 

Though who knows what they're actually doing, I might be completely wrong.

[wombat-poodle]

1 minute ago, Eclair said:

On the other hand, the rule change could potentially benefit their male skaters, because doing steps before a quad is way more difficult. 

 

I see.  Sneaky! 

[cinemacoconut]

10 minutes ago, wombat-poodle said:

 

If that's what it takes for ISU to wake up, then... I feel like Scott Moir at the Oly gold medal hockey match, screaming "Wake up! Are you kidding me?"

 

I just don't get it. If ISU wants to "level" the field between the Russian girls and other girls, maybe they could, you know, stop the ridiculous PCS inflation of the top Russians? Maybe give out some proper edge calls? And give the Japanese ladies the PCS they deserve? All these they can do and it will still be FAIR and LEGAL under the current rules? And look, even if they change the rules, do they not realize that the Russians WILL read the rule book and are indeed smart enough to adapt to the new rules? They will and they will still dominate. 

 

 

Precisely. Russian ladies are dominating not becuz of tano, and backloading.

 

They are dominating by their size of their skating pool and consistency (all out clean programs are their norm)

 

More over if a jump fall is -5 guess who will benefit?

Russian ladies. Because look at zagitova and evgenia. They hardly make mistakes in their jump. Eteri girls do on thing better than the rest and its being able to constantly deliver clean programs. This rule change will make russian domination ever easier. 

[WinForPooh]

Maybe when the final guidelines and rules get published, they won't be so silly.

 

I mean, seriously! I get the annoyance with backloading. There are only a few skaters with programmes that make it look good. So make a small change, that not more than four baclkoaded jumping passes will get the bonus. For the transitions, make it clear that complex transitions executed with quality will be rewarded with high TR score. The snippets we've got so far make no real sense.

[WinForPooh]

They could do something good, like bringing back the spiral, but noooo. No, why would they do that.

[Xen]

16 minutes ago, Eclair said:

spreading out the PCS is a good thing in my eyes. This way, skaters can get high SS but low transitions or vice versa (Carolina/Alina) for example. 

 

But will the blatant biased judging stop? of course not. Will they adress it? haha, good one. 

So will anything change? nope. 

Who will score high? Big fed skaters will get higher GOE, higher PCS, less edge and UR calls than small fed skaters no matter what the rule changes. 

I think the tweet about spreadability and balance was specifically towards CO, not really saying "let's do away with corridor judging."

"PCS composition will have SPREADABILITY and BALANCE. "

https://twitter.com/chiburahakkai/status/970571404209868800

Now if they really meant no more corridor judging, I'm all for it.  I can easily live with seeing a deserving 8 in PE and CO, with a 9.5 in TR standing side by side in protocol sheets.

 

 

[wombat-poodle]

8 minutes ago, WinForPooh said:

They could do something good, like bringing back the spiral, but noooo. No, why would they do that.

 

They could like, rephrase half the rules in the rule book to make them clearer and based on objective criteria too, instead of subjective and vague, it's something that's always annoyed me. Like, stop thinking of new or changed rules. Just fix the damn old rules first. 

 

EDIT: yeah like the word "Spreadability". It sounds so... confusing and silly. Are they talking about butter or something? That's why we're all so confused on whether it applies to CO or corridor judging or whatever. I mean, it would have been so much easier for them to just say something like "elements should be spread evenly throughout the program". 

[WinForPooh]

1 minute ago, wombat-poodle said:

 

They could like, rephrase half the rules in the rule book to make them clearer and based on objective criteria too, instead of subjective and vague, it's something that's always annoyed me. Like, stop thinking of new or changed rules. Just fix the damn old rules first. 

Actually, fix the damn judging first. Ugh.

[wombat-poodle]

4 minutes ago, WinForPooh said:

Actually, fix the damn judging first. Ugh.

 

Fire half the judges and hire some of us here at Planet Hanyu to be new judges.    ((if any ISU official is stalking this thread, hire me please.))

[Xen]

Just now, wombat-poodle said:

 

Fire half the judges and hire some of us here at Planet Hanyu to be new judges.    ((if any ISU official is stalking this thread, hire me please.))

I don't think I'd work since at times (often), I can be accused of being too close to neutral for many feds' liking.

But seriously, let's wait for the rules/guidelines to be published and in action first. Then we can proceed to join Max and scream our heads off.

[monchan]

Reading the whole thread is so funnyyyy lol. Idk if they are going for "artistry" or cheap art 

[wombat-poodle]

4 minutes ago, monchan said:

Reading the whole thread is so funnyyyy lol. Idk if they are going for "artistry" or cheap art 

 

When are the final rules going to be published? >:O Is this confirmed? 

[Eclair]

23 minutes ago, Xen said:

I think the tweet about spreadability and balance was specifically towards CO, not really saying "let's do away with corridor judging."

"PCS composition will have SPREADABILITY and BALANCE. "

https://twitter.com/chiburahakkai/status/970571404209868800

Now if they really meant no more corridor judging, I'm all for it.  I can easily live with seeing a deserving 8 in PE and CO, with a 9.5 in TR standing side by side in protocol sheets.

 

 

oh shot, and there I was thinking, at least there is something they're doing right ....

36 minutes ago, WinForPooh said:

So far, it doesn't specify that they're talking about the before solo jump part, does it? They still define that as 'steps'? I think they're talking about between jumps, the TR score, not the GOE for the jumps.

 

Though who knows what they're actually doing, I might be completely wrong.

oh I thought they were talking about the TR before solo jumps/ the requirement but you could be right about them only talking about the TR in-between and not before the solo jumps ....

[monchan]

2 minutes ago, wombat-poodle said:

 

When are the final rules going to be published? >:O Is this confirmed? 

Still in debate, but it's what's going on. If it gets published they might use words like "aesthetical movements" thou, not "flappy bird movement" 

It's not like judge hasn't done this be4, but if it's getting formally accepted, just how far cheap movements will get rewarded btw.

[xeyra]

I'm a bit worried about this idea of rewarding upper body movement as transitions. While I understand they're trying to possibly break the Russian ladies domination through consistency and TR scores, by rewarding styles like Carolina's more, it has the side-effect (planned, perhaps) of also rewarding crossover and quad heavy men programs, as long as they demonstrate arm choreography during the crossovers. I'm not sure I'd reward that similarly to actual footwork. Or reward it as part of transitions, per se.