General Yuzuru Chat

[meoima]

33 minutes ago, Moria Polonius said:

 

The funny thing is, that isn't Yuzuru actually "perfect little Japanese boy"? I've always thought that it was one of the main reasons of his popularity. 

More like litter devil boy... lol... 

[五十嵐 美幸]

26 minutes ago, Murieleirum said:

 

I would definitely be interested in that explanation! 

 

By razor's edge I meant 'at risk', 'on the edge of failure', although this last one seems a bit too dramatic. This meaning that if he doesn't get favoured anymore, his jump mistakes will get called more, and this depends on Nagoya's approach to Western Federations too, to an extent, or at least so I think.

 

I think who could have some influence on that would be ANA, putting pressure on the Japanese federation to reign in Nagoya. I think they should, but whether they'll do it or not... Though maybe their announcements re Chopin 03 was a step in that direction, to take control of the public narrative. Though as I said originally, the general public couldn't care less.

 

As for Nagoya, it`ll take a little time to write it up, but I can post it - maybe not necessarily here but with a link to where- when I'm done.

 

Another thing, since the kanji in the tweet that was reposted her were hard to read I went to track down the original kiwi tweet and came away with another thought and a really great snicker.

 

The thought, that aside from trying to put down Yuzu, that... lady might also be worried over possibly losing control about "her" skaters. That they might give her "attitude" if she allows them to go overseas.

 

But the snicker inducing last comment by the kiwi writer was a devastating rebuke to ms complainer sensei, something like,

 

"Could it be that there exist some person who loves Japan greatly, respects (their) previous coach and seriously working produces great results?"

 

I don't know who the account holder is, but I can only love that comment!!!

[xeyra]

On 6/1/2017 at 12:08 PM, b138oo said:

What is this old salty xenophobic lady doing, throwing shade to a boy who bows every time he sees a Japanese flag and doesn't ever let the flag to touch the ground, while always making sure to fold it super neatly????? Her skater, on the same exact podium as Yuzu, didn't even bow after the national anthem was done playing   And doesn't even use the correct term while talking about Yuzu, who is not only a senior in FS world by a long shot, Yuzu debuted at 15 okay, he is also 3 years older!  

Just keep the shades coming Nagoya, let's see which one is better   50 Shades of Yuzu by Nagoya or my version of 50 Shades Darker of a-certain-someone-who-is-proudly-presented-to-you-by-Nagoya 

 

 

I know you're upset on Yuzu's behalf but I don't think it's quite necessary to bring up Yuzu's qualities by comparing him to someone else.

[AsteroidB-612]

I think some of you might be right that this statement also sprung from fear of losing control over her own skater, plus Yuzu's success probably made her very salty that her camp couldn't produce someone like that on home soil, so she has to shut him down(and all other who attempt to escape and dare to be sucessful outside of Japanese Nagoya camp)somehow.

 

But the funny thing is the flip side of arrogance is actually a kind of confidence that's rarely seen in Asian culture which makes a person superstar material, and that is a personality trait that Yuzu has always had before he even set foot on Canada (cue little Yuzu who says he will win olympic gold) so it's not even an oversea influence (Yuzu himself also said that he knows that he is very unjapanese in that regard)...and honestly, if he can deliver, it makes him even more of a charismatic leader. So I say... Screw them, because people who loves Yuzu probably loves him for this unapologetic, emotional superstar quality! 

 

but oh man, the politics has really begun... being a new fan I thought it was a rumor and people were being too sensative, but this proved me naive...

[五十嵐 美幸]

2 minutes ago, AsteroidB-612 said:

I think some of you might be right that this statement also sprung from fear of losing control over her own skater, plus Yuzu's success probably made her very salty that her camp couldn't produce someone like that on home soil, so she has to shut him (and all other who attempt to escape and dare to be sucessful outside of Japanese Nagoya camp)somehow.

 

But the funny thing is the flip side of arrogance is actually a kind of confidence that's rarely seen in Asian culture which makes a person superstar material, and that is a personality trait that Yuzu has always had before he even set foot on Canada (cue little Yuzu who says he will win olympic gold) so it's not even an oversea influence (Yuzu himself also said that he knows that he is very unjapanese in that regard)...and honestly, if he can deliver, it makes him even more of a charismatic leader. So I say... Screw them, because people who loves Yuzu probably loves him for this unapologetic, emotional superstar quality! 

 

but oh man, the politics has really begun... being a new fan I thought it was a rumor and people were being too sensative, but this proved me naive...

 

This may be a better of definition, but I really don't see Yuzu as arrogant. Self confident and stubborn, yes, and admitting to that, also yes, but not arrogant.

 

Since to me arrogance implies thinking oneself better than others, which is something he for sure never expresses. (That is, better as in generally superior, not like being better technically or so. Just for clarification.)

[AsteroidB-612]

17 minutes ago, 五十嵐 美幸 said:

 

This may be a better of definition, but I really don't see Yuzu as arrogant. Self confident and stubborn, yes, and admitting to that, also yes, but not arrogant.

 

Since to me arrogance implies thinking oneself better than others, which is something he for sure never expresses. (That is, better as in generally superior, not like being better technically or so. Just for clarification.)

Yes, I think we all understand that Yuzu is not arrogant, but for some people who can't handle just a bit of display of confidence when he nails it or people who prefer their athletes low-key, maybe he is already overly so. This is the only place I can see him being viewed as "arrogant" , but really who gets to define that threshold of too much anyways? 

 

And he certainly has respect and humility toward his country and other skaters, so the accusations there is will just be completely false.

 

So that's why I am saying, maybe some people do see him as arrogant, because they don't like that confidence and stubbornness he display toward his own skating, and think that he is un-japanese and what not, and that's what they are entitled to think. But as history tell us, true pioneers never was born from people who stay inside the box and thinks like sheep anyways.

[meoima]

As an Asian, and NOT typical Asian at all, I have to say Yuzuru sounds too humble to me. 

Oh by the way, 

 Javi and Miki? They're back?

PS: Why is he carrying a soccer ball? 

[五十嵐 美幸]

17 minutes ago, AsteroidB-612 said:

Yes, I think we all understand that Yuzu is not arrogant, but for some people who can't handle just a bit of display of confidence when he nails it or people who prefer their athletes low-key, maybe he is already overly so. This is the only place I can see him being viewed  "arrogant" , but realluwho gets to define that threshold of too much anyways? 

 

And he certainly has respect and humility toward his country and other skaters, so the accusations there is will just be completely false.

 

So that's why I am saying, maybe some people do see him as arrogant, because they don't like that confidence and stubbornness he display toward his own sakting, and think that he is un-japanese and what not. and that's what they are entitled to think. But as history tell us, true pioneers never was born from people who stay inside the box and thinks like sheep anyways.

 

The person really un-Japanese here is that Nagoya coach. Because while it's okay for a competitor to say "I want to beat (whoever)" - which by the end of the day is the point of competing - as long it is expressed politely, what normally is never ever done, not even obliquely, like she did, to trash talk one, especially not by members of a rival team, not the person competing themselves. If anything, she'll be losing general respect over this.

 

14 minutes ago, meoima said:

As an Asian, and NOT typical Asian at all, I have to say Yuzuru sounds too humble to me. 

Oh by the way, 

 Javi and Miki? They're back?

 

No idea whether they are back together, but giving that the much hyped cooperation at Makuhari was somewhat short of overwhelming, it might just be that for old times sake he's trying to get her some positive press/attention in Japan. Since she has had little of that lately and he's among the most popular foreign skaters.

 

EDIT: I think he somewhere said he's a soccer fan or some particular Spanish club's...

[Emzie]

13 minutes ago, meoima said:

As an Asian, and NOT typical Asian at all, I have to say Yuzuru sounds too humble to me. 

Oh by the way, 

 Javi and Miki? They're back?

PS: Why is he carrying a soccer ball? 

Bc the meet and greet is sponsored by La Liga (football association)?

[AsteroidB-612]

2 minutes ago, 五十嵐 美幸 said:

If anything, she'll be losing general respect over this.

Oh I do hope the general Japanese public will have eyes like you said, unlike some of the judges (and knowing that you are Japanese gives me faith haha)

But really most people will probably not read the figureskating magazine anyways, so I think this will totally go under radar for the general public~

[五十嵐 美幸]

1 minute ago, AsteroidB-612 said:

Oh I do hope the general Japanese public will have eyes like you said, unlike some of the judges (and knowing that you are Japanese gives me faith haha)

But really most people will probably not read the figureskating magazine anyways, so I think this will totally go under radar for the general public~

 

Figure skating magazines sell very well when Yuzu is on the cover and there are long photo spreads of him inside!

 

Whether "Yuzu only; figure skating: whatever" general public fans will read anything aside from articles about him I think even the JSF prefers not to ask.

[AsteroidB-612]

On 6/1/2017 at 1:17 PM, sublimeskating said:

maybe if xenophobic haters spend more time training the young talents in their camp instead of wasting efforts trashtalking a superstar (acknowledged by pretty much everyone in the skating community and audiences around the world) who is well-known for being an all round good guy, they can produce some better results with skaters from their own camp

 

haters and their trashtalk only make themselves look bad

buuuuurrrrn! ...but I love it lol

[swanbeau]

1 hour ago, 五十嵐 美幸 said:

The thought, that aside from trying to put down Yuzu, that... lady might also be worried over possibly losing control about "her" skaters. That they might give her "attitude" if she allows them to go overseas.

this sounds alarming for her skaters... 

[kaeryth]

Machiko Yamada can say whatever she wants, Yuzu will always take the high road.

 

 

 

Credit: http://hanyuedits.tumblr.com

Yuzu congratulating Shoma and Machiko Yamada after the 2014 Japanese Nationals medal ceremony.

 

[Xen]

1 hour ago, AsteroidB-612 said:

I think some of you might be right that this statement also sprung from fear of losing control over her own skater, plus Yuzu's success probably made her very salty that her camp couldn't produce someone like that on home soil, so she has to shut him down(and all other who attempt to escape and dare to be sucessful outside of Japanese Nagoya camp)somehow.

but oh man, the politics has really begun... being a new fan I thought it was a rumor and people were being too sensative, but this proved me naive...

I would agree. At least in China, there is this constant chat in education that the asian education system cannot produce superstars. Perhaps something similar to this applies in japan as well...and if you do look at the string of Japanese skating stars, look at all the foreign coaches involved. Nevermind that both Shizuka and Yuzuru, the two lone olympic gold medalists were foreign trained when they produced the gold medals. 

 

Next, maybe it's just me, but I think it's highly possibly Nagoya actually lost the political battle. Look at the GP assignments. 

Yuzuru- vs Patrick and Nathan, but one at Rostelecom Cup, one at NHK, both arenas where he is actually favored, despite having fairly stiff competition

Shoma- vs Patrick and Javier, weaker in jumps, but in SC and France, both arenas that do not favor him, and I would expect that at least at SC, those edge, take off and UR calls are coming....