General Yuzuru Chat

[kaeryth]

7 minutes ago, MrPudding said:

 

The video

 

Awwwwww.... I don't even understand what she's saying but she sounds so proud when she introduced pooh and said "Yuzuru Hanyu". 

[xeyra]

1 minute ago, Neenah said:

I think his choice of Chopin is more about rising the average than about losing confidence. LGC is a program that is very unforgiving of mistakes and a little lapse of concentration can cause  him to lose a lot of points as we've seen last season. Also, didn't Brian say that he thought Chopin was the best option as well? I think the choice was more or less a team decision and they all agree that it is the best thing to do this season

 

He needs to skate his SP clean-ish and put himself in the Top 3 going into the FS, without major points margins a la 4CC/Worlds/WTT. Chopin gives him better odds of that. Plus no need to rework it too much in order to get that combo into the second half.

[katonice]

5 minutes ago, xeyra said:

 

He needs to skate his SP clean-ish and put himself in the Top 3 going into the FS, without major points margins a la 4CC/Worlds/WTT. Chopin gives him better odds of that. Plus no need to rework it too much in order to get that combo into the second half.

If he kept the same layout for LGC, would there still be a big difference vs Chopin 3.0 considering one has the 4S-3T and the other 4T-3T?

[Sombreuil]

You're forgetting the unforgiving pace of LGC.

[xeyra]

12 minutes ago, katonice said:

If he kept the same layout for LGC, would there still be a big difference vs Chopin 3.0 considering one has the 4S-3T and the other 4T-3T?

 

The 4T3T in the second half gives him 51.01 BV compared to LGC's 49.75 with the 4S3T. The difference between a 4T and a 4S is just 0.20 BV but if you backload both your 3A and your quad combo... it's significant. 

[Murieleirum]

4 minutes ago, Sombreuil said:

You're forgetting the unforgiving pace of LGC.

 

I'm not forgetting it. It's one of the things I loved the most about it and firmly believe Yuzu would be able to manage it  but I guess I'll be happy even if he only keeps it... AS AN EX

[Sombreuil]

It's an unnecessary risk in Olympic season- maximise points, minimise risks.  He wants something that will work all the way through ACI, GP, Japanese Nats, OG and Worlds without any slightly off performances to give anyone the opportunity to doubt him.

Also for the once every 4 years viewer it's totally different to the last SP they saw from him.

[yuzupon]

1 minute ago, Sombreuil said:

It's an unnecessary risk in Olympic season- maximise points, minimise risks.  He wants something that will work all the way through ACI, GP, Japanese Nats, OG and Worlds without any slightly off performances to give anyone the opportunity to doubt him.

Also for the once every 4 years viewer it's totally different to the last SP they saw from him.

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Yep.

[katonice]

6 minutes ago, xeyra said:

 

The 4T3T in the second half gives him 51.01 BV compared to LGC's 49.75 with the 4S3T. The difference between a 4T and a 4S is just 0.20 BV but if you backload both your 3A and your quad combo... it's significant. 

Thanks. So there IS a significant difference. 

 

I was also thinking before if he had kept LGC, how he would have rearranged it to move the jumps into the 2nd half. I guess they would've found a way to but I'm finding it hard to imagine how, partly because I think LGC is perfect as it is arranged now ^_^

[KatjaThera]

7 minutes ago, Sombreuil said:

You're forgetting the unforgiving pace of LGC.

 

I don't think the pace was the problem as much as his thinking too much and mental blocks that made him question his ability to do it cleanly, and particularly, to land the CoD. LGC doesn't give much time to think, but if he had the confidence to just go with it, I think he'd nail it. PW was quite high pace as well, and once he was comfortable with it, it tended to flow super well. I think LGC had the same potential. Maybe he and Jeff should have been a bit more flexible in considering changing things to improve his comfort level. (There was recently talk about how he made his programs more difficult and actually handled that better than the simpler version. I think that was with Chopin? I'm not sure, though, I'll have to check again.)

 

Also the argument isn't really about repeating Chopin for the third time anymore. It was which would have more impact on the casual viewer. I think LGC would have more impact.

 

But if he wants Chopin, then Chopin it is. I just want it to be his choice and not because of any insecurities. (Though even just saying it's less risky implies some insecurities)

[yuzuuu]

actually though, I wouldn't be very sure about the Chopin Vs LGC's impact on casual viewers. I have showed non-FS fans both and they preferred Chopin. But I noticed FS-fans on the other hand tend to lean slightly towards LGC. Imo, it's mainly cos for people in the FS world, LGC is unique and very different from the usual classical, movie whatnot stuff. But for casual viewers though, it really depends on personal preference and their impression of FS in general. The people I know said Chopin fits perfectly into what they had in their mind and was mesmerizing. Many I knew wasn't super into LGC cos it felt too different for them and there's preference of song choice. 

[Sombreuil]

1 minute ago, KatjaThera said:

 

I don't think the pace was the problem as much as his thinking too much and mental blocks that made him question his ability to do it cleanly, and particularly, to land the CoD. LGC doesn't give much time to think, but if he had the confidence to just go with it, I think he'd nail it. PW was quite high pace as well, and once he was comfortable with it, it tended to flow super well. I think LGC had the same potential. 

PW was a much easier layout.  The pace of LGC meant that a slightly off element threw the whole programme off and he ended up playing catch up to retime the elements to the musical accents they were supposed to be hitting- and there were a lot of elements and not much down time that he could use to do that catching up.  (I'm not putting this terribly well).  Im sure that he could do it- but not necessarily all season and that's what he has said he wants- a consistent season.  That's what you need in Olympic years- that's a massive competition dumped in the middle of the season, on top of all the normal stuff, right when you would normally have a lesser competition like Euros/4CC.

[Neenah]

4 minutes ago, yuzuuu said:

actually though, I wouldn't be very sure about the Chopin Vs LGC's impact on casual viewers. I have showed non-FS fans both and they preferred Chopin. But I noticed FS-fans on the other hand tend to lean slightly towards LGC. Imo, it's mainly cos for people in the FS world, LGC is unique and very different from the usual classical, movie whatnot stuff. But for casual viewers though, it really depends on personal preference and their impression of FS in general. The people I know said Chopin fits perfectly into what they had in their mind and was mesmerizing. Many I knew wasn't super into LGC cos it felt too different for them and there's preference of song choice. 

 

I agree with this. Also if you go back to how people reacted to both programs you will see that Chopin was liked from the beginning (even before it was skated clean) and many who are not Yuzu fans loved it. LGC on the other hand was very divisive, people either loved it or hated it.

[yuzupon]

8 minutes ago, Neenah said:

 

I agree with this. Also if you go back to how people reacted to both programs you will see that Chopin was liked from the beginning (even before it was skated clean) and many who are not Yuzu fans loved it. LGC on the other hand was very divisive, people either loved it or hated it.

Agreed. I personally do not like Prince music (I know! The betrayal! That's just me having poor/narrow range of music taste). I enjoyed LGC is because it's Yuzu and I am a Fanyu. When I showed my normal friends his program from the last season, most were mesmerised by H&L, were lukewarm about LGC (partly also because my friends tend to have similar music taste, and do not even make me start on how they reacted to the costume). 

[yuzuuu]

2 minutes ago, Neenah said:

 

I agree with this. Also if you go back to how people reacted to both programs you will see that Chopin was liked from the beginning (even before it was skated clean) and many who are not Yuzu fans loved it. LGC on the other hand was very divisive, people either loved it or hated it.

Exactly! I know many who became yuzu's fans because of Chopin XD. Also, there's what plush said about how LGC didn't suit Yuzu (not that I agree but still). Many commentators didn't really like it too. It's like Marmite (I love it tho XD)

I confess I didn't really like LGC at first, but anything Yuzu will grow on me haha. (but for casual viewers, there is no room for growth, it's the first impression that counts. it's either good or bad~)