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and when they do they get something like this haha, or Yuzu talking about cats

she didn’t explicitly say no, but I’d imagine there’s no harm asking.

I don’t know who Fran is but do reach out to them if you think it’ll help!

it's this one. I'm dying, it really has over 300k views

What did he say? lol

someone found this in the library

i think copy the link as plain text (eg copying straight from the address bar, or press the “paste as plain text” option when you paste in the post). After pasting, press space bar. it should show up

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We studied about competition in law and economics, and it struck me how "monopoly" often degrades the quality of service, because there's no way of replacing organisations with shitty behaviour. ISU can be as shit as they want and there'll be no alternative so people are stuck with them. Really sucks to be like this. Also I've asked Jack if the article can be translated into English... I know he's controversial but I just want this article to be translated and he seems like the best bet now...

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is this a harmonica, I don't get it lol edit: ok it's not

oh wow didn't know it's part of the same interview

yea the idea is not to attack anyone, but take the opportunity to highlight inconsistencies in scoring welp I guess I underestimated the effects of Olympics on these, looks like all those videos were published close to the Olympics although for other sites like buzzfeednews, maybe a narrative of unfairness for a generation of girls investing time and money only to be shortchanged by people taking advantage of loose rules will be interesting for them... that'll be more relevant to the ladies which the issue is more pronounced, but if changes were made men would probably benefit from it too

It didn't stop people from trying, and I suspect a "scoring scandal" might be quite a spicy scoop for them, such that they'll get resources to help and conduct more investigation, or publish shanshani's data maybe? If we have proof and these people see potential, I'd say they'd make a spin out of it such that ISU can't ignore them. Especially now that ISU wants to make that award replacing gala, reputation will be important for them. I think what we need to do isn't to write something complete and hand over, but maybe just to alert them of this topic, provide them with people or data that they can interview and work with (like shanshani, fair skating union, chib as a figure skater), and they can take it from there? they're perfectly capable of making diagrams and stuff to explain when they want to Edit: lol even Economist had an article on figure skating "unfairness"

Is there something we can do about this? If nothing is done the momentum will be lost again and ISU will pretend nothing happened. Heck I don't even know if they know about what Yuzu said, considering no English site had picked up the translation yet. We need to get media attention so that ISU can't ignore this and hurt skaters anymore... Can we write an Op-Ed for New York Times? An Open Letter? An article exposing the missteps in scoring so to expose the shameful practice to people outside of figure skating? Send it to PJ Kwong? Write an article on Medium? Publish as news on GoldenSkate? Intheloop podcast? Rockerskating? I don't see any reason why ISU will change unless it affects their reputation and pockets.... Some platforms require some credentials, if we send the article to PJ Kwong will she help us make the issue known? A list of potential publications List of Youtube channels that had made videos about figure skating Vox Wall Street Journal New York Times Wired Quartz New York Times They wrote quite a few article about skating before, some favourable to Yuzu Vice (who knows they might even make a video about it?) BuzzFeedNews Apparently they uncovered some tennis betting scandal, they seem to be into investigative journalism Huff Post others

vote Yuzu for the president of ISU. I think Yuzu had realised that there's only so much he can do taking all these lying down. I wonder if they'll ever accept a non-fluent English speaker or someone not from the big fed.

Yea I'm not saying that PR is the only or the main cause for causing injury, it's just a part of a list of contributory factors. However imo it's undeniable that pre-rotation reduces takeoff speed, which may lead to a chain of events that increase the risk of injury. To make a rotation on the ice, some part of the speed during takeoff is lost as friction force to change the direction of the blade, it's just how physics work. Forces that otherwise contribute to the height and flight time of the jump is reduced, leading to smaller jumps and less reaction time. Skaters that used to have known PR issues like Shoma, Satoko, or skaters that use the skid technique for Axel takeoff that involve 90˚ of pre-rotation like Evan Lysacek had smaller jumps because of this reason. If the skater has less time to react and land properly, they run the risk of injury, but if they have adapted landing techniques or have small bodies that helps them with flight time, then it might not cause as much of an issue. However not many skaters have this advantage. Whether or not that is actually significant enough to cause injury depends on the skater, and is by no means the sole contributory to risk factors of injuries. But if more and more coaches teach pre-rotated techniques, more skaters will be exposed to this risk factor and not all of them will succeed. I've explained a bit about takeoff velocity here

Japan isn’t the best at dealing with stalking cases, reports are often dismissed because “they haven’t done anything”, and ignored until girls are murdered. Until the media picks this up and make a big fuss over it, they’ll probably just tell him to “deal with it” I think he had a bodyguard last year at ACI, was it in response to this? It really sucks that nothing is done about this for so long

Personally I think there’s a difference between bringing attention to something for the benefit of the skater, vs talking about it in a dismissive, disrespectful and mocking way by treating her behaviour as something intentionally despicable and to be laughed at. There’s ways to bring attention on issues while being understanding, they don’t have to sugarcoat things but neither did they need to be so unapologetic about the very real consequences of their behaviour on others. Yes Yuzu is not perfect and people are free to dislike his programs. Not sure if you were there, but for years they put their entire focus on highlighting their own negative opinions of him while completely ignoring his strengths. If people are going to learn about skating from them, that’s not responsible journalism. Is mocking his costumes for being too girly over and over again “constructive criticism”? Is calling his programs having no transitions “constructive criticisms”? How is that even constructive when Yuzu’s programs have the most transitions out of the field? How can they look at the steps and turns and say they don’t exist? Can they even recognise a mohawk and a chasse? If so why are they lying like that? I can get around people saying he does not have perfect lines and such, but harping on it all the time as if he’s the only one with the issue while failing to mention that all skaters necessarily don’t meet the standards of a professional dancer is not painting the full picture. He can take constructive criticism, but not every criticism is constructive, and we have the right to call out lies and intentional exaggeration when we see it.

No doubt the organisation is big and the young will know what's going on. The problem is whether those with the information have the power to change anything. If the ISU is hierarchical and heavily influenced by politics which they likely is, the older generation in the management won't find these an issue because "that's how things has always been", and they'd rather not piss off fed support. I can only hope this is not true, but so many years of letting down I'm not sure if I can still trust them anymore.

All his English comments were pretty mild and happy though, and I seriously doubt they'd find a translator to see what he said in Japanese, or even know about those articles in the first place. We're pretty much the only ones who know thanks to our fan translators, but I'm pretty sure they know nothing about this, that's probably how they stayed ignorant for so long. We fans are just arguing on our own platforms and they're insulated from it. Those who run the social media page likely don't even have the authority to do anything. Don't want to doubt anything, but their gala replacement suggestion really showed how out of touch they were. Trying to attract new fans without addressing the issues that caused fans to leave in the first place. That doesn't sound like good communication and problem solving.

Yuzu's one-foot-turn : crossover ratio is already 2-3x more than others, I mean Shun fell flat when he tried to do Origin. Even cutting his transitions in half will leave him well ahead of the entire pack. He's just being an idealist.

What he said really struck an important subject - that the techniques you learn when you start skating stays with you and can't be changed easily. And nowadays what do coaches teach young skaters? Pre-rotate their Lz 180˚ because they see how it's being heavily rewarded. We already heard anecdotes from different countries. Now we have Yuzu who couldn't pre-rotate even if he wanted to, what's next, a new generation of skater who can't jump the proper technique even if they wanted to? Pre-rotation inherently runs the risk of injury due to the reduced takeoff speed from rotating the blade on ice. How long can the skater stay small and tiny enough to overcome this? How many skaters will be plagued with injury and tossed aside 2 years after they went senior? Figure skating fans stay when skaters have long careers, the most famous of those competed for 5-6 years to attract the following they had. FS will lose even more fans when their favourites can't even stay in competition for more than a few years.

I thought the same gushing happened last year, right up until the CoR FS. People have memory of a goldfish, and the news want to jump on the bandwagon to feed that narrative, so people can read them and feel good that they're agreeing with everyone. I only trust Ted atm. He's sincerely nice to everyone. He encourages the junior skaters when they don't have a good day, and sees the good in everything. The rest had a history of ditching and stomping on Yuzu at first sign of failure. TSL criticised his costume for being girly, called H&L "empty and have no transitions", Dave shat on him every opportunity he could, constantly belittled him and gushed over his rivals, tried to bait people into talking Yuzu down (which he got praises instead and he looked furious). They're literally the last person I'd trust on anything. Their entire reason for existing is to feed drama and gossip (like one day they decided to post on twitter that Alina is named after Putin's mistress), they make nasty comments at people's weight, mental health and anorexia (like dissing Gabrielle's instagram for being attention seeking), spread lies about skaters by claiming injured skaters are faking their injuries, and tell bigoted people what they want to hear by trashing ugly skaters. Biggest bully I've ever seen. Phil Hersh had very harsh comments in the past about Yuzu too. Johnny... was controversial, idk whether he just don't think things through before saying them or something, he was dropped from Yuzu's list of "people I respected" for a while when talking to interviews. ISU is a bit neutral, they just woke up from a dream when they realised Olympics and Laureus Awards were getting a lot of love for giving Yuzu content. The history of these media outlets when Yuzu was down tells a lot about their character, whether they're just attention seeking or sincere in their praises. Look into these if you're unsure.