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Salior

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  1. There was a fight on Reddit about this and it seemed like some people “liked” how honest they were... personality differences I guess
  2. Yea I think it’ll be good to let them know, the centre team might not know about this, and at least iirc they were reasonable people. I was there when they first launched the podcast
  3. I think this is turning into something like the antivaxx movement, they don’t care that they’re not right or that they have no basis in their opinion, they just want to feel special by holding the “unpopular” opinion, and having an echo chamber to validate their “uniqueness” for knowing something the mainstream people don’t
  4. wtf 😂😂😂 poor Mura now I’m scared.... Yuzu do your magic plz....
  5. Yea disgusting people, they do that kind of sh*t on regular basis for the attention, and seemed to love it when people get angry in the replies. I swear they only wanted to provoke tweet replies so their twitter engagement rating go up or something. Can’t believe so many people still follow them after that. They seem to think it’s ok because “freedom of speech”, they really remind me of Trump followers
  6. wow didn’t know the 4CC curse went back so long, this is crazy coincidence though maybe they just peaked too early and went downhill after that? Spooky. Didn’t seem to apply to Euro tho didn’t realise the significance of Yuzu’s 2017 win until you pointed it out! Insane indeed. That’s why imo Yuzu’s scores is better than Nate’s at the 2019 splatfest...
  7. Yea at least their twitter isn’t a gossip center like TSL, I swear TSL only post about trashing costumes, validating bigoted fans opinions and calling Alina being named after Putin’s mistress...
  8. It really is a pity though, there already isn’t much of a devoted technical skating media scene for beginners to learn about skating beyond tv commentaries / websites, and more of them are devoluting into hate pits like the rest....
  9. Sounds like these members are long time TSL fans and had only been listening to their commentary most of their lives... so they volunteer and spread on their limited knowledge about skating commentary ... Sounds too much like them not to be suspicious, even the format, time spent, content and target of criticism seem too familiar to be coincidence... Ah birds of a feather flock together, seems like the podcast scene had self selected to be glutted with these opinionated people. What a pity, I thought they could be different. Their initial podcasts were quite good too. Sigh
  10. tf I thought the founders were Yuzu fans, how did they become TSL Why do all podcasts inevitably turn into TSL 😭
  11. Also I completely forgot about 4CC... will Yuzu get his first 4CC gold this year as well? Makes a nice addition to his first SC gold... As long as the 4CC champion curse doesn’t affect him, can’t get over how Nathan Boyang and Shoma flopped the Worlds after winning 4CC the last few seasons...
  12. Exactly, Nate is nowhere near his top form and their marks are already so close. People forget that he’s not currently training full time, and when he does he can easily go back to the 5 quad layout with significant TES boost if he wants to. Yuzu literally has 0 room for error even considering factors like suboptimal ice conditions and unstable new jumps. edit: admin can we move some of these to the Men Seniors discussion thread?
  13. Yea their interviews are rage-inducing, I can’t believe the future direction of ISU is in their hands. People like Ari and the officer who wants to change PCS seems to be very under-knowledged about skating and care more about the appearance of skating than anything else, and yet they hold enough influence to change ISU according to the way they want. I think this IDF will lay bare their true intentions, based on how they score their skaters. Looking back at old scoresheets of men’s, they have the tendency to narrow the pcs gap between top skaters for no reason at all.
  14. Precisely, I think in all the years he didn’t have a set EX program, he always went with one that’s Japanese like Hana ni Nare because he didn’t want to perform songs with Japanese lyrics / singing outside of Japan, though I’m not sure why the aversion. All the more there’s the recent Hagibi hurricane too, so it makes it likely for him to go for Japanese tribute programs though can I hope for LGC this year please.... the white costume too....
  15. It does? That's good news then, I was under the impression that it doesn't. Why don't they strike out the mark in the score sheets like halfpipe then... so confusing
  16. I think despite small differences in base value, the GOE differences can stack up really quickly especially with arbitrary scoring, and that's why Nate got such an inflated score despite similar BV imo. Yuzu can achieve those scores, but that's assuming he goes clean with absolutely no margin of error, which we have no control of such as influence by the ice conditions. Time and again Yuzu would've gone clean if not for the "hole in the ground" that messed up his StSq and docked 1 point off, or non-optimal ice conditions in Helsinki and JPN that made him mess up his quads, which is all the more important because he is an edge jumper that is affected more by these conditions than toe jumpers like Nate. If he misses one jump, he's almost confirmed to lose to Nate already, unless Nate messes up as well but it seems like he haven't popped jumps for a while, at least for important competitions. Nate seems pretty stabilised now no matter the circumstances, but I feel Yuzu is still very much affected by things that are out of his control, like ice conditions, injuries or just thinking too much. Even after all these time he's still unsure of how to control his thoughts, Iike in Pyeongchang iirc he started messing up SEIMEI when he let his mind wander and lose concentration after successfully entering the second half clean. There's also instability from adding new jumps, and he wants to add transitions to them as well. We've seen how he doesn't nail his 4Lo and 4Lz every time when he just started, and that his other jumps might get affected by those new jumps like the unusual high failure rate of 4S during the season he added 4Lo. I don't want to worry too much, but I don't think things are completely rosy and will be 100% smooth sailing for him as well. Hope I'm wrong but I felt like there's this overly optimistic tone every time he does well, only to be "caught off guard" by things like ice conditions or scoring scandals, then people get angry despite these signs being there all along.
  17. This. I think Rhythmic Skating have split panel for PCS and Tech so they can focus, Half Pipe discards the top and bottom marks so they get less bias, and yet figure skating can do none of these? They lost their chance to make things right during the post-Pyeongchang scoring change, and now with people like Ari campaigning against further changes I don't know how they're going to fix this
  18. While I agree with everything you said, it seems like some ISU officers are pushing in the other direction, that appearance matters more than what is beneath the surface. Like iirc some officers are proposing to remove SS and Transitions as a PCS element????!!!!??? The rationale behind the post-Pyeongchang change too, that it seemed like one of the reason was because the audience didn't understand why skaters would fall and still win, so they wanted a scoring system that reflects more about "What You See is What You Get", which is BS imo but still apparently some people held that belief? The entire trend with scoring, the decline of focus on quality skating but more on flashy jumps that can easily be "quantified" and seen as separate elements in the scoresheet, that the PCS is so capped right now it cannot differentiate the best among the skaters. Ari's comments too, that "we shouldn't change the scoring system because the audience should be able to watch without having to calculate numbers in their heads", and the fact that he successfully pushed this ISU Award thing as well as his reputation for treating Yuzu as his cash cow(?) makes me worried that THESE kind of people are holding power and influencing ISU. Some posts were shared about ISU's losses as well, so I fear that they are pushing for short term monetary gains by "dumbing" down the sport and creating hype, because if they penalise the skaters doing "difficult" elements then there'll be less "attention" and sensationalisation over the scene. What generates more clicks, "15-year-old Russian girls pulverise veterans with the most difficult element" and "Nathan Chen wins with most difficult jump", or "Yuzuru Hanyu wins with exceptional skating quality?"
  19. I'm rewatching Yuzu's 2014 Olympic performances and I realised something. When Yuzu first started, he didn't put as much emphasis on skating quality as he did today, although he did show an above average talent in it. Yuzu was obsessed with quad jumps, until he saw Patrick's deep edges in his first competition with him, and went "Omg, I didn't know that was possible!" He proceeded to follow Patrick around the rink to observe the edges and forgot about his own practice, which made him flopped his first GP in senior lol. Basically I think the ENTIRE reason why Yuzu and Brian focused so MUCH on transitions and skating quality, is that they were NEEDED to beat Patrick Chan, who was then seen as almost unbeatable. Back then the technical elements weren't that high, and the stingy PCS marks made a huge difference in the final outcome of the scores. So Yuzu worked hard to earn every bit of that PCS, and became where he is today, to the extent that they became something like a part of his identity that he doesn't want to sacrifice. Fast forward a few years later, he nearly forgot about them during his obsession with the quad loop. He thought that there's no point if he cannot land his jump, ie. a complete program is contingent on perfect jumps. He held on onto this almost maniacal fixation until the Lutz injury, where he reversed this stance during the Olympics, because it was his skating skills that saved him when he could not perform high base level jumps. And today we kind of have a different scenario, where PCS becomes more inflated and irrelevant compared to the TES. Yuzu noticed this trend, but is assured by SC that he was still right not to sacrifice his transitions for more stable, high base value jumps. Back when PCS still has a big role and is relevant to winning, Patrick set the bar for Yuzu to raise his own skating skills and transitions. Now that that advantage is taken away by high TES, I fear that Yuzu might not be able to play the role Patrick did. About Nate, it is true that he still has a long way to go for SS and Transitions, and that his TES isn't that high recently, but we also have to keep in mind that he is not currently training full time, and that he intends to do so the year before the Olympics. Patrick was complacent because he thought he had everything he needed to win - the best ss in the field, a decent quad toe. But he didn't expect Yuzu to be rewarded scores that could make up for those with his crazy high quality transitions and 3A (The R&J 1.0 was called a demon for the insane transitions I heard lol). Although I'm happy that Yuzu was still rewarded in SC, I don't want him to think that the scoring scene has not changed and he didn't need to adjust for it, to make the same mistake as Patrick, because he didn't expect his advantage to be diminished, and for scores to be awarded to rivals at places he didn't think much of. Nate is still the person who did six quads in the FS, and Yuzu isn't 19 anymore - he's now 10 kg heavier with a lot more injuries, both of which doesn't help much in pushing his physical limits. He might be able to win now with his current layout, but if he intends to continue winning, there's no doubt that he needs the 4A and maybe the 4Lz. There's only so much he can do if he insists on putting difficult transitions that lowers the stability of the jumps AND up the tech content. I fear that this will be the situation when it's time for him to choose, that he cannot want everything without risking his health excessively. He is not the same boy at 15 year old who could pick himself up after spraining his ankle and keep training quad toe over and over again. I can only hope that he will choose wisely, between winning, his ideals, and his health. I wish that he didn't have to choose 2 out of the 3, but this is what I'm observing, and may I be proven wrong. Edit: This ties in very well with his recent expressed opinion in the interview below
  20. I wrote some thoughts about Yuzu's views on skating here, since I thought it fits more in this thread. reproduced as below
  21. didn't know that 😂 😂 😂 inb4 someone screams unfairness also,
  22. WSJ wrote an article about “The Year Teenage Girls Blew Up Figure Skating”, addressing the quad mania after Skate Canada 2019. It was behind a paywall so someone reproduced it here https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-H6gcXbAVv2rUiDTLfVSIyvkIR7L_ENcgiLiKrzC7Bk
  23. As long as he respects everyone as a skater I can live with that... Hope he really does and I’m proven wrong, what Avicii’s manager did still looms at the back of my mind 😭
  24. Yea I agree that the skater’s character really changes the fan’s actions for the better, and helps fans to justify stopping terrible behaviour among themselves some rant makes me scared for this upcoming Japanese nationals, considering it’s Dai’s last national as a single skater... Even the JSU officer who strongly supported Shizuka and Yuzu to their gold medals got ejected due to politicking I heard... no wonder Japan now has a big gap in men’s skaters of Yuzu or Shoma’s caliber... I shudder to think what would happen if the JSU officer didn’t manage to fight for Yuzu to go to Canada before she got sidelined...
  25. Someone mentioned that Ari praises Nathan often but only treats Yuzu as his cash cow and said a lot of bad things... does anyone know about this? I think he was Plush / Yag’s manager and he was the one who pushed for the ISU awards for years too... makes me wonder about his motivations...
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