Team we're fewer but still good!

[Yatagarasu]

So as that basically fits here - so! Much like we thought, Javier's going to try going for the 4Lo. I wonder if that includes a 4 quad program or if he wants to keep a 3 quad program with it. It's interesting because even just adding it rough but expanding to another quad ... I think he might be the one who will try and apply what Brian thought was good for Yuzuru this past season. I think he might go for the 3 quad and then later expand to 4. 
I am curious to see how all this pans out for him, if he of course, ends up adding it.

[sallycinnamon]

29 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

So as that basically fits here - so! Much like we thought, Javier's going to try going for the 4Lo. I wonder if that includes a 4 quad program or if he wants to keep a 3 quad program with it. It's interesting because even just adding it rough but expanding to another quad ... I think he might be the one who will try and apply what Brian thought was good for Yuzuru this past season. I think he might go for the 3 quad and then later expand to 4. 
I am curious to see how all this pans out for him, if he of course, ends up adding it.

 

If he decides to add the 4Lo then I think he'll go for a 3 quad program, at least it in the first competitions. If he can land it consistently he might do a 4-quad free skate later in the season, but it's a really risky thing to do in the Olympic season.

It'll be very interesting how he'll adjust to his programs with a new quad in it, that's for sure.

[Yatagarasu]

5 minutes ago, sallycinnamon said:

 

If he decides to add the 4Lo then I think he'll go for a 3 quad program, at least it in the first competitions. If he can land it consistently he might do a 4-quad free skate later in the season, but it's a really risky thing to do in the Olympic season.

It'll be very interesting how he'll adjust to his programs with a new quad in it, that's for sure.

 

Yes, I think that's what he'll choose too but it is risky, isn't it? I mean he's had an iffy season too plus a 4 quad program requires higher stamina too so it's more than just oh lets pop this one in. Though, he's probably out of choices and has to settle for simply going for it. His SP should probably be far less of a problem, as it's structured as it is, but the FS... Olympic seasons are always such a mess! 

[ralucutzagy]

 

[kaeryth]

1 minute ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

Yes, I think that's what he'll choose too but it is risky, isn't it? I mean he's had an iffy season too plus a 4 quad program requires higher stamina too so it's more than just oh lets pop this one in. Though, he's probably out of choices and has to settle for simply going for it. His SP should probably be far less of a problem, as it's structured as it is, but the FS... Olympic seasons are always such a mess! 

 

To be fair, his Elvis free skate wasn't a very inspired program. Or was it just me that didn't like it?

It is risky, but at this point if everyone goes clean he might not actually podium as we have seen that landing all the quads gets you a PCS boost now.

[Yatagarasu]

1 minute ago, kaeryth said:

 

To be fair, his Elvis free skate wasn't a very inspired program. Or was it just me that didn't like it?

It is risky, but at this point if everyone goes clean he might not actually podium as we have seen that landing all the quads gets you a PCS boost now.

 

I am not a fan of Javier's style so I am kind of biased in commenting on that but to me, well lets just say I agreed with Johnny, when he was commentating during the GPF. I don't think it was the best of choices either. 
No way everyone goes clean. Olympics brings huge pressure but in a way, that also opens the door potentially for him (or Patrick!). With a clean SP, like he had in Helsinki, he will be up there and the judges always go with him anyway, so I think the risk is worth it. 

[kaeryth]

6 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

I am not a fan of Javier's style so I am kind of biased in commenting on that but to me, well lets just say I agreed with Johnny, when he was commentating during the GPF. I don't think it was the best of choices either. 
No way everyone goes clean. Olympics brings huge pressure but in a way, that also opens the door potentially for him (or Patrick!). With a clean SP, like he had in Helsinki, he will be up there and the judges always go with him anyway, so I think the risk is worth it. 

 

I did say if everyone goes clean; unlikely, but stranger things have happened. Although now that I think about it, it's actually a slim chance for the men to be clean with the technical content they have and the scheduling for the olympics. (Seriously, who did the schedule? Have they not learned from Sochi splatfest? Also, I know the women's event are traditionally the highlight of FS, but let's not kid ourselves - people are gonna be watching/anticipating the men's event more this time around.)

[Yatagarasu]

7 minutes ago, kaeryth said:

 

I did say if everyone goes clean; unlikely, but stranger things have happened. Although now that I think about it, it's actually a slim chance for the men to be clean with the technical content they have and the scheduling for the olympics. (Seriously, who did the schedule? Have they not learned from Sochi splatfest? Also, I know the women's event are traditionally the highlight of FS, but let's not kid ourselves - people are gonna be watching/anticipating the men's event more this time around.)

 

They have learned nothing, but I am not surprised. It's the IOC plus ISU as a combination, that's automatic headache with those two. Heck, make that automatic migraine. 

 

And yes, well, that's an interesting point. It might not be, actually. The general audience, and especially the one-in-four audience, may still be focused on the ladies especially considering last Olympics weren't quite stellar in terms of the men. They're not really up to what's been happening in the sport and since the program is more geared towards the Western, especially North American audience, the ladies may still hold sway. 

 

Anyway, yes, I am not holding my breath for a clean competition but if it is better than last time, it'd already be good. Hopefully more or less, they can hold it together because that makes the victory all the more relevant, and sweeter! In Javier's case, and everyone's really, the SP will play a really important role but depending on how his FS is progressing, there may be extra pressure there on him. 

[sallycinnamon]

 

24 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

Yes, I think that's what he'll choose too but it is risky, isn't it? I mean he's had an iffy season too plus a 4 quad program requires higher stamina too so it's more than just oh lets pop this one in. Though, he's probably out of choices and has to settle for simply going for it. His SP should probably be far less of a problem, as it's structured as it is, but the FS... Olympic seasons are always such a mess! 

 

It is really risky. I have no doubt he'll work on his stamina but there will be other difficulties too, like how can his body adjust to a new quad at this age, can he stay completely injury-free while doing a 4-quad program with the 4Lo, etc. 

He still needs to skate his PS consistently which may be not easy either. Malaguena was different because it was his second season with that program, but next season will be different with his new Chaplin SP.

 

2 minutes ago, kaeryth said:

 

I did say if everyone goes clean; unlikely, but stranger things have happened. Although now that I think about it, it's actually a slim chance for the men to be clean with the technical content they have and the scheduling for the olympics. (Have they not learned from Sochi splatfest? Also, I know the women's event are traditionally the highlight of FS, but let's not kid ourselves - people are gonna be watching/anticipating the men's event more this time around.)

 

Apparently, not 

 

Well in Helsinki the arena was packed during the men's, while there were free seats at the ladies event...

[katonice]

1 hour ago, sallycinnamon said:

 

Well in Helsinki the arena was packed during the men's, while there were free seats at the ladies event...

So far for the PC2018 ticket sales, the men's events are sold out, while the other events still have available tickets.

You could argue though that it's the die-hard fans who are buying tickets this early.

Still, the indication so far is that there's more interest in the men's events than the ladies.

[Yatagarasu]

2 hours ago, katonice said:

So far for the PC2018 ticket sales, the men's events are sold out, while the other events still have available tickets.

You could argue though that it's the die-hard fans who are buying tickets this early.

Still, the indication so far is that there's more interest in the men's events than the ladies.

 

I was talking more about those who don't go to watch but sit in front of their television sets. I think there's no doubt those who do go would know enough to focus on the men more at this point in time but for the rest of them, let us call them the general audience, especially the one in four viewers, it may be a different matter. I wouldn't be surprised if the ladies still held sway there. Of course that translates into revenue for the network(s).

[beki]

I feel like this has been kind of a "lost year" for Javi (no upgrade, uninspired Elvis), but that doesn't mean I saw the whole picture. He did produce his own successful ice show. He probably felt he needed to strike while the iron was hot in terms of boosting figure skating in Spain, as a two-time WC. And he is developing his coaching skills, and I think he will transition straight into a coaching career after the Olympic season. He seems burned out to me, but I hope I'm wrong, and he has enough fire left to medal in PC.

[Katt]

7 minutes ago, beki said:

I feel like this has been kind of a "lost year" for Javi (no upgrade, uninspired Elvis), but that doesn't mean I saw the whole picture. He did produce his own successful ice show. He probably felt he needed to strike while the iron was hot in terms of boosting figure skating in Spain, as a two-time WC. And he is developing his coaching skills, and I think he will transition straight into a coaching career after the Olympic season. He seems burned out to me, but I hope I'm wrong, and he has enough fire left to medal in PC.

Me too. I think Javi said somewhere that he went to this season without much confident, like he didn't know what to do ( pls correct me if I'm wrong). And he looked really tired in this whole season. Maybe not having a medal at WC is a good sign for him. He's already reduce the amount of ice shows in off season and the 4lo talk seems very positive for me.At least he's training and consider to put it in LP

[Valkyria]

7 minutes ago, beki said:

I feel like this has been kind of a "lost year" for Javi (no upgrade, uninspired Elvis), but that doesn't mean I saw the whole picture. He did produce his own successful ice show. He probably felt he needed to strike while the iron was hot in terms of boosting figure skating in Spain, as a two-time WC. And he is developing his coaching skills, and I think he will transition straight into a coaching career after the Olympic season. He seems burned out to me, but I hope I'm wrong, and he has enough fire left to medal in PC.

 

I got that burned-out feeling from him all last season too, which I believe had a big hand in making it kinda meh for him. But I also think having that experience will help him this year; he probably knows better where his limits are, and now with the Olympics on the horizon he has a clear goal. He may have been adrift last year, but he wants that medal and he's going for it.

 

I'm crossing everything crossable in my body for that 4Lo, tbh 

[Sombreuil]

5 hours ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

I am not a fan of Javier's style so I am kind of biased in commenting on that but to me, well lets just say I agreed with Johnny, when he was commentating during the GPF. I don't think it was the best of choices either. 

 

I agreed with Johnny too.  Just spent an hour doing a really boring chore and trying to pin down what I disliked about it after reading this comment earlier.  I think it's because the music is so banal after seeing it a couple of times you think -'meh' - and the more often you watch it the less J seems charming or charismatic or playful or whatever he's aiming for and the more it seems forced and tired.  He might be physically tired at the end of the season, but it's too shallow to have any room to develop beyond what was there in September.  It would probably be fine as an ex piece because he might really be having fun with it instead of giving the impression that he's sick of it.  I'm not sure I could stand to listen to it as often as he must have done in the last 12 months.  The 'showman' sort of style isn't my favourite either but he does it well when he has the right material.