beki Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Are we differing over semantics? I agree Shoma isn’t violating any rules. I also don’t think following the rules means the game is fair. Let’s state that clearly. Often rules are unfair, or completely overlook and fail to acknowledge advantage and disadvantage. In politics, in society. Unfairness is everywhere and can never improve if it isn’t called out. Yes, Marin and Yuzu have some benefit over others too. That’s exactly my point. Lawfulness and justice are not equivalent. Yuzu is extra careful to be gracious and humble and I respect that effort. It’s a part of his greatness. It’s a part of Kohei Uchimura’s greatness. None of this has much to do with Shoma as an individual, because I don’t get the sense he’s at the stage of his career to have the final say over what his team does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzyQ Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 It is already reported that the early morning rink was opened to all. I suppose Shoma just got up early due to time difference, and no one was there. It was just lucky for him. Rumors are always like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelsandwich Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 hours ago, beki said: Are we differing over semantics? I agree Shoma isn’t violating any rules. I also don’t think following the rules means the game is fair. Let’s state that clearly. Often rules are unfair, or completely overlook and fail to acknowledge advantage and disadvantage. In politics, in society. Unfairness is everywhere and can never improve if it isn’t called out. Yes, Marin and Yuzu have some benefit over others too. That’s exactly my point. Lawfulness and justice are not equivalent. Yuzu is extra careful to be gracious and humble and I respect that effort. It’s a part of his greatness. It’s a part of Kohei Uchimura’s greatness. None of this has much to do with Shoma as an individual, because I don’t get the sense he’s at the stage of his career to have the final say over what his team does. Well yeah, I made that clear in my first post about this topic that my issue was with people using the word 'unfairness' to describe the situation because in the context of skating or competitive sports, it usually implies some violation of the first category. I saw comments on Twitter and even here that were quick to accuse JSF of favouritism or the organisers for somehow giving him a special privilege over other skaters (both before and after it was revealed he didn't actually exclusively rent out the comp rink), and there's simply no proof of that as we currently know. I agree with the substance that the ISU should have rules in place preventing skaters from taking advantage of having more money/resources and it seems an incredible oversight not to have rules against skaters practising on the comp rink prior to competition - my whole point was to say that people accusing them of the first type of unfairness (which is what you essentially do when you say 'Shoma is getting unfair treatment') without substantiated proof are...well, being unfair themselves to do so. Don't really get why you're bringing Yuzu and Kohei's greatness into this (which I wholly acknowledge), mind explaining your point? = _ =; unfair now no longer looks like a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katonice Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Shoma and his brother ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xen Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, katonice said: Shoma and his brother ^^ Rofl, his brother is his translator?!Am I the only one who thinks his little brother is kind of...mothering him?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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katonice Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, Xen said: Rofl, his brother is his translator?!Am I the only one who thinks his little brother is kind of...mothering him?! It does amaze me the type of relationship they have. Itsuki goes with him everywhere it seems! That's what I call brotherly love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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axelnojutsu Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 7 hours ago, katonice said: Shoma and his brother ^^ This makes me want to know more about his brother, how is he only 15 he seems so mature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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katonice Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Smol Satton and Sota... and not so smol Mao, Kanako, Tatsuki and Nobu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beki Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just watched Kana and Chris’ NHK free dance—what a wonderful piece of art on ice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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